FR: Need help and feedback on Day 2s

[Alger]

I went on this date with a girl I met on match.com. I disingenuously told her I was seeing another girl from match.com and told my date that I was putting her in consideration. This was an attempt to DHV by making myself seem hard to get, give the girl a need to prove herself to me as opposed to vice versa, and to create a little jealousy. I described the fake girl I was seeing on match.com as adventurous, smart, kind of annoying since she over obsesses about me (to DHV), and very vain (to DHV since pretty girls tend to be vain). If you feel this was not a good tactic or a DHV please let me know.

Later on my date asked me things about what I thought of the "other girl" I am seeing on match.com and if I will still date her. I told my date that the other girl on match.com is facing some competition. This was an IOI on my part as a reward for her IOIing me. I asked my date "do you want to kiss me?" She said "it is only our first date." I told her "I never said you could, you just looked at me like you wanted to." Should I have responded to her not kissing on first dates differently than what I did?

I usually have ended first dates either with making out through kissing, and trying to set a time to meet the girl again. Obviously I want to get laid on the first date but I usually feel the girls are either not comfortable with it on the first date, and sometimes the date needs to end because of logistics (girl needs to go to work, be somewhere soon, etc.). Obviously, this has not been good for me since I rarely get a day 3. What are your suggestions?

[Tribulus1000]

I went on this date with a girl I met on match.com. I disingenuously told her I was seeing another girl from match.com and told my date that I was putting her in consideration. This was an attempt to DHV by making myself seem hard to get, give the girl a need to prove herself to me as opposed to vice versa, and to create a little jealousy. I described the fake girl I was seeing on match.com as adventurous, smart, kind of annoying since she over obsesses about me (to DHV), and very vain (to DHV since pretty girls tend to be vain). If you feel this was not a good tactic or a DHV please let me know.

Later on my date asked me things about what I thought of the "other girl" I am seeing on match.com and if I will still date her. I told my date that the other girl on match.com is facing some competition. This was an IOI on my part as a reward for her IOIing me. I asked my date "do you want to kiss me?" She said "it is only our first date." I told her "I never said you could, you just looked at me like you wanted to." Should I have responded to her not kissing on first dates differently than what I did?

I usually have ended first dates either with making out through kissing, and trying to set a time to meet the girl again. Obviously I want to get laid on the first date but I usually feel the girls are either not comfortable with it on the first date, and sometimes the date needs to end because of logistics (girl needs to go to work, be somewhere soon, etc.). Obviously, this has not been good for me since I rarely get a day 3. What are your suggestions?

Its ok. The fact that you kept bringing up another girl may have miff"ed her a little so she didn't want to kiss you. Its a tough call because you never know if she's been cheated on before or if she's the type of woman who would take something like that personally. And we can't read minds

One thing I do is venue change at least once on a first date. You want her to get familiar with you as though she has known you for a while. Venue changes are good for this.

Another thing you could do after the first date is to call her and run some patterns or RJ stuff. This also helps with the "getting to know you" part. Connection pattern is good here. Don't bring up the other girl again.

If I were you I would send her a nice email through match.com or her email and tell her you had a good time. The reason is that you want to build a connection. If she sees you as a douchebag then you're probably not going to get another date.

Don't sweat the no kiss thing. Usually I don't kiss them on the first date.

[RockStar]

yeah tribs right. it could have pissed her off about the other girl thing. nice dhv though i've done it. as for the kiss close. how much kino did you have? and if you notice she didn't say no. she just said i don't usally kiss on first dates...to which you respond...me neither and kiss her.

just some thoughts nice job bro.

rockstar

[Alger]

Thanks I have your notes written down on paper.

[Cowboy QB]

I have had a lot of success with online dating (Day 1s & Day 2s). However, my approach is slightly different than the approach you took Alger.

When the subject comes up, I usually mention how I have been on several dates form the dating website already. However, a big problem was that most of the women seemed to get real attached to me very quickly. The previous girls all wanted to move way too fast. Then I lead into a funny story or example of how this has happened. (I have plenty of actual examples from real dates I can use here.) And I can close with a "so I don't want you falling in love with me after tonight because you seem pretty cool" type of line.

I think this approach establishes some DHV because it shows that I am an attractive commodity to other girls and they want to date me. It also tells her she can let her guard down because I'm not try to move to fast.

If you tell her you are currently seeing someone else and she may have to compete against that person, is there a possibility she instantly labels you as a player? I can see how it would be a good way to DHV but I'm just worried about the cost of establishing DHV in that situation.

BTW RockStar, great response line to the kissing situation.

[Tribulus1000]

I have had a lot of success with online dating (Day 1s & Day 2s). However, my approach is slightly different than the approach you took Alger.

When the subject comes up, I usually mention how I have been on several dates form the dating website already. However, a big problem was that most of the women seemed to get real attached to me very quickly. The previous girls all wanted to move way too fast. Then I lead into a funny story or example of how this has happened. (I have plenty of actual examples from real dates I can use here.) And I can close with a "so I don't want you falling in love with me after tonight because you seem pretty cool" type of line.

I think this approach establishes some DHV because it shows that I am an attractive commodity to other girls and they want to date me. It also tells her she can let her guard down because I'm not try to move to fast.

If you tell her you are currently seeing someone else and she may have to compete against that person, is there a possibility she instantly labels you as a player? I can see how it would be a good way to DHV but I'm just worried about the cost of establishing DHV in that situation.

BTW RockStar, great response line to the kissing situation.

Hey Cowboy QB,
I really like what you say about the girls moving too fast and how you would express to her that you don't want her falling in love with you.

That conveys the right information (DHV) without hitting up against the ego of the girl you're talking to. As you put it "the cost of establishing DHV in that situation".

Alger,
Your Facebook routine is money. Use that but try to soften it by saying something like what Cowboy QB has here.

You could also do one of those double dissociation things in a story where you talk about your friend's brother said the girls on match.com seemed to get really attached too quickly and wanted alot of his time and that kept you from joining because you have too many stalkers already.

Something like that. Test it out.

[RockStar]

BTW RockStar, great response line to the kissing situation.

thanks