A little better!

[grimm1111]

Kit and I went out last night to Sherlocks. We got there at like 11.30 because we tried to hit up uptown but neither of us really know the area too well and we couldn't find the bar we were looking for. So we met up again at shwerlocks showed up and Kit had already opened two sets or so. It's a typical Sherlocks night. We got there a little late. Once again I don't think I opened enough sets in total. I don't know if I'm just picky, or if I don't have an eye for picking out sets, or if I'm just being a little bitch.

As I am a diligent field reporter, here's how my sets went. First one was to wing Kit in a set he had already opened. This time I did better, learning from yesterday's mistakes. Ok this girl was at least 15 years older than me (although she was cute!) so neither she nor I were interested in each other, but we did have an interesting conversation and allowed Kit to do his thing. I tried to help him out by doing the photo routine for them but I may have stepped in with that one at the wrong time because it didn't take very well and his target was not comfortable. If any of you have any pointers on how to execute the photo routine for your wing I'd be happy to hear.

So next we walk over to a corner of the bar where the pool tables are, and we're there for a second talking and a twoset of 6's open us. We chat them up for awhile, not intending to do anything but to get in state and get warmed up. Finally Kit's like "nice to meet you, we're leaving, bye" and I take off with him.

We make a couple rounds but there aren't really many sets left at this late hour.

OK i think the beer girl there is totally hot so I tell Kit I'm going in. I go in and talk to her for a sec but I chicken out.

I make another round, and we run in to Kay, who is also at Sherlocks. We talk right in front of where beer girl is, I am leaning up against a pillar. An HB9 late twenties drunky taps me on the shoulder from behind and opens me. "I like your shirt, where do you get that?"

ME: "no you don't, you're just trying to talk to me. are you cool?"

HB: "am i cool? yeah i'm cool. i teach third grade, how much fucking cooler do you get than that. (sarcasm) look at that guy, that guy's fucking cool (sarcastically about a guy wearing a lame shirt)

I did some kind of cold read, then went in to the fingers routine so I could get some kino because i wanted to pump up her BT. It was working, but I was nervous doing this in front of the beer girl as I didn't want to give off a "player" vibe so I ejected so I could reopen later. actually i didn't eject so much as i just handed her off to some other dudes but i digress...

we make another round, but there isn't anything. OK I'm going in to talk to beer girl. She's working behind the counter, getting constant interrupts, and I've already opened. So I decide it has to be super-direct and quick and I have to go for a # close. I get some AA before this one because it's ballsy.

I man up and go in. "hey. OK, so i'm thinking if I don't come up and talk to you I'll be kicking myself all night. I'm Peter."

HUGE IOI's from her. This shit worked. (I forgot her name)

ME "so, are you special?"

HB" YES i'm special!!" goes on to qualify herself by telling me all about why she's so special. Huge IOI's over and over.

Then I fuck it up.....

ME "so, we can't really meet here because it's so loud and people keep coming up to buy drinks so here's what we're doing, you're gonna give me your number and i'll call you later and if we like each other, maybe we can go out sometime"

HER "I would, but I have a boyfriend"

done. eject.


Now it's getting late. Kit and I walk around the bar for "one more round, then we'll call it a night" So blah blah, and we enter a seated two set. Kit opened them, I didn't even say shit, I don't know what he said, but it opened. We sit. I don't really remember what I talked about but I remember I played it right. I made a point of fixing last night's mistakes and never grasping for straws or being try-hard in keeping conversations going. I got some kino, pretty much I'm happy with the way it was played.

I number closed the girl, and tonight I am taking her to Martini Park for Day 2 because a friend of mine has the VIP room. Should be a good comfort/close location. I'll post the results tomorrow.

Out.

[Kit]

You seemed more confident and relaxed last night compared to any time I have seen you yet. That may have been part of you getting opened twice. Women smell fear like a stinky ass pizza fart.

Your body language is getting better too but I saw you slip a couple of times. Stay aware of it until it becomes natural.

[grimm1111]

Oh here's the txts:

Me, today: "Thumb wrestling lol "

Her : "haha"

Her, 30 min later "Im gonna practice and challenge you to a rematch"

Me "LOL im going to a house party tonight, you all are coming! "

Her: "Sounds fun. Sadly I'm being responsible/ a loser and staying in to do homework tonight. I have a lot of it.

Me: "It's at a bar in plano called martini park ive never been to, if you finish early come by A friend of a friends birthday, we have a vip room so tht means bottle service!!

Her: "Hey that's cool. Ive been there before, its pretty fun. Do I have to be on the list or anything? I may stop by as a reward to myself if I finish all this homework!"

Me: "I was napping... I'll probably plan on leaving in a couple hours. i can pick you up and bring you there with me, its cool"

Her:"Well that's really nice of you. I'm still working n the homework right now so Ill just have to see in a couple hrs"

Me: "Cool, kit is going too and maybe even my little sister, but i havent figured out yet how we're all riding"

Her: "Lol, cool cool."




Comments and suggestions welcome on what to do and how the txt/phone game can be improved!!

[Kit]

Bull Run or Lion can probably help out more with this, but...

First, she was being playing and you let it stop too fast I think. I would have texted her that maybe she can take your crown or something.

Then the VIP thing builds value but throwing in the bottle service sounds like you're working too hard to impress her.

No need to mention you're napping dude. You're way too exciting and busy to take naps. She's doing homework and you're napping...

Maybe you could have said get it down by 10:30 and I'll pick you up rather than sending her mixed signals that you're not sure about things. It may come across a bit AFC or indecisive.

I know I'm ripping you good but I'm trying to be honest. I think she really liked you and there is no need to keep working so hard. You're the prize.

Remember, women want a man that they feel is strong enough to lead them. It doesn't mean they will let you lead them but you have to make them think you can.

If Lion or Bull Run disagree with anything I have said I will defer to them because I will admit the more I think about things they have said it regard to text it makes sense.

At this point, I'd play a little harder to get. We were alone at the bar, now you don't have a date for a VIP party and instead you want to ask out the girl you met the night before.

I'm too new to give strong advice, but this is me trying to see things from an outside point of view.

[TopDog]

Kit and I went out last night to Sherlocks. We got there at like 11.30 because we tried to hit up uptown but neither of us really know the area too well and we couldn't find the bar we were looking for. So we met up again at shwerlocks showed up and Kit had already opened two sets or so. It's a typical Sherlocks night. We got there a little late. Once again I don't think I opened enough sets in total. I don't know if I'm just picky, or if I don't have an eye for picking out sets, or if I'm just being a little bitch.

As I am a diligent field reporter, here's how my sets went. First one was to wing Kit in a set he had already opened. This time I did better, learning from yesterday's mistakes. Ok this girl was at least 15 years older than me (although she was cute!) so neither she nor I were interested in each other, but we did have an interesting conversation and allowed Kit to do his thing. I tried to help him out by doing the photo routine for them but I may have stepped in with that one at the wrong time because it didn't take very well and his target was not comfortable. If any of you have any pointers on how to execute the photo routine for your wing I'd be happy to hear.

So next we walk over to a corner of the bar where the pool tables are, and we're there for a second talking and a twoset of 6's open us. We chat them up for awhile, not intending to do anything but to get in state and get warmed up. Finally Kit's like "nice to meet you, we're leaving, bye" and I take off with him.

We make a couple rounds but there aren't really many sets left at this late hour.

OK i think the beer girl there is totally hot so I tell Kit I'm going in. I go in and talk to her for a sec but I chicken out.

I make another round, and we run in to Kay, who is also at Sherlocks. We talk right in front of where beer girl is, I am leaning up against a pillar. An HB9 late twenties drunky taps me on the shoulder from behind and opens me. "I like your shirt, where do you get that?"

ME: "no you don't, you're just trying to talk to me. are you cool?"

HB: "am i cool? yeah i'm cool. i teach third grade, how much fucking cooler do you get than that. (sarcasm) look at that guy, that guy's fucking cool (sarcastically about a guy wearing a lame shirt)

I did some kind of cold read, then went in to the fingers routine so I could get some kino because i wanted to pump up her BT. It was working, but I was nervous doing this in front of the beer girl as I didn't want to give off a "player" vibe so I ejected so I could reopen later. actually i didn't eject so much as i just handed her off to some other dudes but i digress...

we make another round, but there isn't anything. OK I'm going in to talk to beer girl. She's working behind the counter, getting constant interrupts, and I've already opened. So I decide it has to be super-direct and quick and I have to go for a # close. I get some AA before this one because it's ballsy.

I man up and go in. "hey. OK, so i'm thinking if I don't come up and talk to you I'll be kicking myself all night. I'm Peter."

HUGE IOI's from her. This shit worked. (I forgot her name)

ME "so, are you special?"

HB" YES i'm special!!" goes on to qualify herself by telling me all about why she's so special. Huge IOI's over and over.

Then I fuck it up.....

ME "so, we can't really meet here because it's so loud and people keep coming up to buy drinks so here's what we're doing, you're gonna give me your number and i'll call you later and if we like each other, maybe we can go out sometime"

HER "I would, but I have a boyfriend"

done. eject.

hey ...sounds like this was going pretty good, but why did you stop here? Most hired guns like beer tub girls who's job is to be social and outgoing will have this response ready to fire off almost automatically, since they'll fend of approaches all night. you/we almost have to have our response lined up to fire back. did you try anything or eject right after that?

[grimm1111]

It happened just like that. She told me she had a boyfriend, I'm like "alright, cool" and I ejected.

[DateDemon]

dude if the girl says "she has a boyfriend" don't just eject. Continue to talk with her. as soon as she says she has a boyfriend just be like That is awesome! and then continue with anything you want but talk to her for a few more minutes. First of all she might be willing to still hook up with you after the IOIs and if you are morally ok with it then it could be a go. Secondly, even if you no longer want any hook up option continue to talk with her and build a connection. I know you are like why? But she is a freaking bartender!! if you get in well with her and especially with how many times you apparently go to this bar/club being in with a bartender is a huge plus. You can eventually get drink deals and plus all the girls that don't know she has a boyfriend will see her talking with you whenever you are there and it will be so much social proof.

I could give some other tips about the txt's and the rest of the night but I am being lazy.

Also I just want to say nice work man. Sure things are tough at first but it sounds like you are making progress and you are getting out there which is the first step to getting anything done.

[TopDog]

well there's the boyfriend destroyer scenarios, all of them well hashed out in the community, so i won't go there.

I know my personal experience, i just plow through and just establish them as someone in my social circle, and someone i'll bump into at some point out and will talk to.

As an example, 2 weeks ago I went out with a girl that i got her number, in all honesty, 3-4 YEARS ago!! In bad combinations of timings, at 1 time or another, each being in LTR's, were never able to get out until 2 weeks ago, when we both have gotten out of relationships. we would bump into each other every couple months, then she found me on myspace recently. it all stemmed from the early meeting where i didn't eject.

relationship statuses change, and as big as dallas is, it's still a pretty small social scene, so always think long term.

[grimm1111]

Good points. Since I'll probably bump in to her again, there may still be a chance for that.

[BIGT]

It happened just like that. She told me she had a boyfriend, I'm like "alright, cool" and I ejected.

http://theillife.com/2008/04/14/video-perfect-ejection-timing/