Well, today I purchased some new duds, and decided to go out to the church. I was determined to at least approach someone, as I am always afraid of looking like an idiot, and I know it's something I need to overcome.
So, I get to the church a bit early... 10PM, but I see two guys I met before, and give them a hello. But usually when I see these guys, they are hanging around with few women, so I decide to get up and look for someone to meet.
End result: Flat on my face, but at least I tried to open some people.
First, a two set, guy and girl. The girl had a Tank Girl tattoo, which I used to open them up. The guy was a bit quiet, and did not seem to want to respond to me or her.
She loved that someone recognized the tattoo, started to show me more of hers when she got a text message and then went running screaming to a friend about someone moving away.
Opened a two set. A girl who should not have been showing any stomach, and her cuter "Bachelorette" friend. They were both sitting off to the side, looking glum, so I primed a smile, and went over.
Me: Hey, I demand to see dancing. This is your last night as a free woman.
Stomach: These songs suck.
Me: Better to dance to a lame song than not to dance at all.
Bach: *does a little dance in place, but half hearted*
Me: No, like this. *does a silly stupid dance, and the girls laughed*
The girls wouldn't come out to dance, and I couldn't think of what else to say, so I ejected.
Opened a girl in line for drinks. She had a shirt that said "Jesus was Metal"
Me: Come on. Everyone knows Jesus was Goth.
Her: No, he was pure metal.
Me: Really? Fishnets? Piercings?
Her: No, but I imagine he would be into death metal.
*4 guys sort of bum rushed the drink line, and separated us. I kept an eye out for her, but didn't see her again.*
Final set, opened a cutie who was drinking and smoking on one of the leather couches.
Me: Can I ask you a question? Do you believe in magic?
Her: Sorta.
Me: Because I have this friend who swears up and down by it. Pendulums, tarot cards, runes, spells, and palmistry. He's been trying to really get me into it. And I'd like to believe, but I just don't know.
Her: Well, there are a lot of things that science cannot prove.
Me: Here, let me see your hand.
*she gives me her hand, and I look down at her palm, and look up with a serious look on my face. She leans in, just a little...I smile and say "I've got nothing."
She laughed, and I know I should have transitioned to something else, but I didn't have anything. Silence for a sec, so before she could excuse herself, I ejected.
In between sets, I would hang out with some of those guys I mentioned earlier, and they would introduce me to one or two more guys.
After 4 hours, I left to go grab some food, and go home.
I am pretty sure I need help, but at least I am taking some forward steps.
I know I need to think more about openers, and I need to find a way to make a conversation continue. I keep faltering.
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by Skaldgrimnir » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:34 am
The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. - A. Rand
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by El Fenix » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:02 am
If there is ever a place where the "do you think spells work?" opener can be used, it's at The Church. I used to sarge there, when I lived across the street at the Marquis. I gave it up, never could do anything there. I did get a very pubic spanking once though...on purpose 
"Ask what makes you come alive and do it, because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt."
"No one gives it to you, you have to take it."
"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt."
"No one gives it to you, you have to take it."
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by Skaldgrimnir » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:15 am
LOL. I am too nervous around people, not just women. But I am working on it. I am in this to become a high value man.
I can see I will need a lot more study, tons and tons more practice and approaches, and probably a bit of help from other people. lol.
As for the Church, last year, my wife and I took turns on The Wheel of Pain. She was the social one, though. I was the wallflower.
I can see I will need a lot more study, tons and tons more practice and approaches, and probably a bit of help from other people. lol.
As for the Church, last year, my wife and I took turns on The Wheel of Pain. She was the social one, though. I was the wallflower.
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by Kit » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:38 am
I don't know anything about The Church as I have never been there so consider that if you think my suggestion will not work there.
Let me commend you on your approaches. They all sound good to me. I think you are lightyears ahead of me in that regard. Let me make a suggestion that may, or may not, work
- They work for me but they work on women that have already decided to talk to me as I do not do cold approaches.
Immediately start to devalue them, but not in a mean way. For example, I watched a video of Mystery were he mentions how many nines are between 1 and 100. He said there were 20 but I keep coming up with 19, anyway... (Edit: There are 20 because 99 has two). Most people will think they are smart and say "10." In fact every person I have asked has said 10. Mystery doesn't say how he uses the game, but I come up with my own ideas. Let's build off one of your approaches for example. After she she laughs at your "I got nothing" line, here is what you do...
You: Just kidding, let me take another quick look.
Her: (hands you her hand again) Okay.
You: Now I don't have time to give you a full reading because I am on my way to meet some friends at the front (or say somewhere far from where she currently is), but this is what I see. - Since you are alone you can later say they never showed up or they came for a moment but went on to another club and you wanted to stay here... whatever...
Now you need to have studied her a bit. How is she dressed? Does she look creative (right brained) or analytical (left brained). Say she looks more creative.
You: You're right brained so you're a creative person.
Her answer won't matter as you have comebacks for each and this is where we lead into devaluing her (in a playful way where she doesn't realize you are doing that.)
Her: That's right.
or
Her: No, I'm more left brained and analytical.
If she says you are right, run The Cube on her. (google this if you are not sure what it is)
You: Okay, let's use your creativity a moment for me to learn a little more aout you. A painter starts with a blank canvas so I am going to need you to clear your mind. Now imagine say an open field and a blue sky. In this field is a cube. How big is the cube? There is a ladder, where is the ladder? blah blah blah...
Now you can read her answers. You can pretty much just make up shit about her once she has done this and neg her if you would like. Like say "wow, you're ego isn't as big as I was hoping" or whatever... but quickly move then to something more positive like, "but I do like that you can be a spontaneous person."
If she had earlier claimed to be analytical, run a brain teaser on her like the how many 9s are between 1 and 100.
You: Since you're analytical you're probably pretty good at math, so I'm going to verify that with a quick and easy math question. How many number 9s are between 1 and 100. This is not a trick question so just count them up and then tell me. If she pauses at all, say, "it's really basic math so just quickly add them up and give me your answer." This will rush her a bit and make her feel more stupid if she misses it.
Her: 10
You: Laugh, are you sure you're left brained?
Hold your fingers up in front of her and start counting. By using your fingers to count you are implying it's so easy any kid that count on his/her fingers can figure this out. Then say...
You: 9, 19, 29, 39, 49, 59, 69, 79, 89, 99 (then pause) and say that's 10, but it's really 11 (and smile with a look of surprise as if you were wrong)
Here she smiles with you as if she has proven you wrong. Then start over with your fingers and say...
You: 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98 and the second 9 in 99 for a total of 20. Laugh a bit and say, "Don't feel too badly, most people don't get that right."
Make sure to smile or laugh throughout this process if you don't want her to feel too hurt for being stupid. This way she can't get mad at your for making her feel that way because most women want to be perceived as having a good sense of humor and being playful (not sure if that holds true at The Church).
You: I have to go check on my friends, but I noticed something interesting about you (do this with a playful smirk as if it's something good) and if you catch me later I think you'll be quite happy.
By saying you'll be quite happy you're planting a seed that you make her happy and most women can't stand to be left hanging about anything so she won't be able to stop thinking about you until she sees you again.
The point of this whole suggestion is to move from your approach right into keeping her attention, making yourself seem smart and interesting with endless things to entertain her and at the same time negging her a little. This has never failed me. The only ability you need is to think of creative ways to apply the canned teasers and mind games into each situation so that it seems natural and I think you'll be quite good at that based on your approaches.
You can google brain teasers, mind reading, whatever to come up with some other ideas. Just be able to flow from one to another. I like The Cube because you can make up whatever you want and simply analyze her based on the perception you have formed up to this point.
Later on you can look for her but start to walk by her as if you didn't notice her. Hopefully she will grab you. Then if you think it was obvious that you walked by her on purpose laugh and I say "I saw you there, I was just screwing with you."
Anyway... even if you don't like my exact approach hopefully I stimulated your thought process to come up with your own ideas tuned to your own personality so that it comes across natural.
One last thought on "canned" vs "natural." In my opinion everything we say and do (aside from genetically programmed things) is based off environmental conditioning which is nothing more than canned responses that have become a part of our "natural" behavior so never feel badly about using canned material. Nothing new is under the sun.
Let me commend you on your approaches. They all sound good to me. I think you are lightyears ahead of me in that regard. Let me make a suggestion that may, or may not, work
- They work for me but they work on women that have already decided to talk to me as I do not do cold approaches.
Immediately start to devalue them, but not in a mean way. For example, I watched a video of Mystery were he mentions how many nines are between 1 and 100. He said there were 20 but I keep coming up with 19, anyway... (Edit: There are 20 because 99 has two). Most people will think they are smart and say "10." In fact every person I have asked has said 10. Mystery doesn't say how he uses the game, but I come up with my own ideas. Let's build off one of your approaches for example. After she she laughs at your "I got nothing" line, here is what you do...
You: Just kidding, let me take another quick look.
Her: (hands you her hand again) Okay.
You: Now I don't have time to give you a full reading because I am on my way to meet some friends at the front (or say somewhere far from where she currently is), but this is what I see. - Since you are alone you can later say they never showed up or they came for a moment but went on to another club and you wanted to stay here... whatever...
Now you need to have studied her a bit. How is she dressed? Does she look creative (right brained) or analytical (left brained). Say she looks more creative.
You: You're right brained so you're a creative person.
Her answer won't matter as you have comebacks for each and this is where we lead into devaluing her (in a playful way where she doesn't realize you are doing that.)
Her: That's right.
or
Her: No, I'm more left brained and analytical.
If she says you are right, run The Cube on her. (google this if you are not sure what it is)
You: Okay, let's use your creativity a moment for me to learn a little more aout you. A painter starts with a blank canvas so I am going to need you to clear your mind. Now imagine say an open field and a blue sky. In this field is a cube. How big is the cube? There is a ladder, where is the ladder? blah blah blah...
Now you can read her answers. You can pretty much just make up shit about her once she has done this and neg her if you would like. Like say "wow, you're ego isn't as big as I was hoping" or whatever... but quickly move then to something more positive like, "but I do like that you can be a spontaneous person."
If she had earlier claimed to be analytical, run a brain teaser on her like the how many 9s are between 1 and 100.
You: Since you're analytical you're probably pretty good at math, so I'm going to verify that with a quick and easy math question. How many number 9s are between 1 and 100. This is not a trick question so just count them up and then tell me. If she pauses at all, say, "it's really basic math so just quickly add them up and give me your answer." This will rush her a bit and make her feel more stupid if she misses it.
Her: 10
You: Laugh, are you sure you're left brained?
Hold your fingers up in front of her and start counting. By using your fingers to count you are implying it's so easy any kid that count on his/her fingers can figure this out. Then say...
You: 9, 19, 29, 39, 49, 59, 69, 79, 89, 99 (then pause) and say that's 10, but it's really 11 (and smile with a look of surprise as if you were wrong)
Here she smiles with you as if she has proven you wrong. Then start over with your fingers and say...
You: 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98 and the second 9 in 99 for a total of 20. Laugh a bit and say, "Don't feel too badly, most people don't get that right."
Make sure to smile or laugh throughout this process if you don't want her to feel too hurt for being stupid. This way she can't get mad at your for making her feel that way because most women want to be perceived as having a good sense of humor and being playful (not sure if that holds true at The Church).
You: I have to go check on my friends, but I noticed something interesting about you (do this with a playful smirk as if it's something good) and if you catch me later I think you'll be quite happy.
By saying you'll be quite happy you're planting a seed that you make her happy and most women can't stand to be left hanging about anything so she won't be able to stop thinking about you until she sees you again.
The point of this whole suggestion is to move from your approach right into keeping her attention, making yourself seem smart and interesting with endless things to entertain her and at the same time negging her a little. This has never failed me. The only ability you need is to think of creative ways to apply the canned teasers and mind games into each situation so that it seems natural and I think you'll be quite good at that based on your approaches.
You can google brain teasers, mind reading, whatever to come up with some other ideas. Just be able to flow from one to another. I like The Cube because you can make up whatever you want and simply analyze her based on the perception you have formed up to this point.
Later on you can look for her but start to walk by her as if you didn't notice her. Hopefully she will grab you. Then if you think it was obvious that you walked by her on purpose laugh and I say "I saw you there, I was just screwing with you."
Anyway... even if you don't like my exact approach hopefully I stimulated your thought process to come up with your own ideas tuned to your own personality so that it comes across natural.
One last thought on "canned" vs "natural." In my opinion everything we say and do (aside from genetically programmed things) is based off environmental conditioning which is nothing more than canned responses that have become a part of our "natural" behavior so never feel badly about using canned material. Nothing new is under the sun.
Last edited by Kit on Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
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by Blue » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:34 am
Kit wrote:If she says you are right, run The Cube on her. (google this if you are not sure what it is)
this makes me giggle.
Smirks wrote:Start out with a bit of spanking...then work your way up.
Kit wrote: run The Cube on her.
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by playercool » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:53 pm
Here is how I run the palm. Even though I have only done it a couple times. And yes I am an asshole.
Grab the girls hand and run your finger down her palm. Doesn't matter where but if you want to follow a line go for it.
Then throw her hand down and say that is what I thought. Here you can start another convo if she doesn't immediately ask you what. She will.
Then say that its official you are retarted or a dork or whatever else you want to say. I neg a lot as part of my game so that is why I use the dork or retarted line.
Be ready to get your arm punched or chest slapped or something similar. Know that this is her flirting with you because she now likes you 9% more.
If she doesn't do the above and gets pissed transition immediately into saying: are you cool though? Or something to take the edge off.
Goodluck
Grab the girls hand and run your finger down her palm. Doesn't matter where but if you want to follow a line go for it.
Then throw her hand down and say that is what I thought. Here you can start another convo if she doesn't immediately ask you what. She will.
Then say that its official you are retarted or a dork or whatever else you want to say. I neg a lot as part of my game so that is why I use the dork or retarted line.
Be ready to get your arm punched or chest slapped or something similar. Know that this is her flirting with you because she now likes you 9% more.
If she doesn't do the above and gets pissed transition immediately into saying: are you cool though? Or something to take the edge off.
Goodluck
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by dubya » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:18 pm
I think you did pretty well here. You opened what 4 or 5 sets. You weren't just opening girls either, you spent some time talking to guys in the venue. To anyone watching you would have looked liked someone who was friendly and sociable.
This is funny. I like this. The moment she laughed you were in. You don't have to have a smooth transition here. You could just cut the thread and start talking about something else right away. It could be anything, books, music, penguins... whatever. Don't wait for her to respond (I say that as much to myself as to you) just keep talking...
You could do as playercool suggest and neg her with the palm but the same applies. DON'T WAIT FOR A REACTION just keep talking. Say something random. Abruptly move to another thread or ask a question.
If I ever see a shirt like this I will probably use your line. If you had more time you could have pushed the thread further or switched to something else. I think you were right to eject when the line was broken up. I wouldn't chase someone or compete for their attention. It isn't worth it. However if you saw this girl again later in the same night you could have reopened on the same topic, or even a slightly different one... "So what do you think Satan is into, Country?"
I think you did good man. Keep opening sets and try to stay in set longer. If you have nothing to say, make something up or ask a question.
Skaldgrimnir wrote:Me: Can I ask you a question? Do you believe in magic?
Her: Sorta.
Me: Because I have this friend who swears up and down by it. Pendulums, tarot cards, runes, spells, and palmistry. He's been trying to really get me into it. And I'd like to believe, but I just don't know.
Her: Well, there are a lot of things that science cannot prove.
Me: Here, let me see your hand.
*she gives me her hand, and I look down at her palm, and look up with a serious look on my face. She leans in, just a little...I smile and say "I've got nothing."
She laughed, and I know I should have transitioned to something else, but I didn't have anything. Silence for a sec, so before she could excuse herself, I ejected.
This is funny. I like this. The moment she laughed you were in. You don't have to have a smooth transition here. You could just cut the thread and start talking about something else right away. It could be anything, books, music, penguins... whatever. Don't wait for her to respond (I say that as much to myself as to you) just keep talking...
You could do as playercool suggest and neg her with the palm but the same applies. DON'T WAIT FOR A REACTION just keep talking. Say something random. Abruptly move to another thread or ask a question.
Skaldgrimnir wrote:Me: Come on. Everyone knows Jesus was Goth.
Her: No, he was pure metal.
Me: Really? Fishnets? Piercings?
Her: No, but I imagine he would be into death metal.
*4 guys sort of bum rushed the drink line, and separated us. I kept an eye out for her, but didn't see her again.*
If I ever see a shirt like this I will probably use your line. If you had more time you could have pushed the thread further or switched to something else. I think you were right to eject when the line was broken up. I wouldn't chase someone or compete for their attention. It isn't worth it. However if you saw this girl again later in the same night you could have reopened on the same topic, or even a slightly different one... "So what do you think Satan is into, Country?"
I think you did good man. Keep opening sets and try to stay in set longer. If you have nothing to say, make something up or ask a question.
"The truth is that many people set rules to keep from making decisions." -Mike Krzyzewski
Every time I fuck a fatty I'm thinking, "God damnit I'm supposed to be a pick up artist."-lol
Ne te quaesiveris extra
Every time I fuck a fatty I'm thinking, "God damnit I'm supposed to be a pick up artist."-lol
Ne te quaesiveris extra
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by Skaldgrimnir » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:05 pm
Thanks for all the advice, guys.
I know I have to just get out and open people over and over. I guess the main thing for me is transitioning/cutting one line and moving to another. Not a natural habit of mine.
I know I have to just get out and open people over and over. I guess the main thing for me is transitioning/cutting one line and moving to another. Not a natural habit of mine.
The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. - A. Rand
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by Kit » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:45 am
bart wrote:Kit wrote: He said there were 20 but I keep coming up with 19, anyway...
9 - 89: 9 nines
90 - 98: 9 nines
99: 2 nines
Good thing Mystery never ran it on you, or you'd be his love-slave by now :^P
B
I know, I got busted on this by Isosceles Cheese this weekend. Good catch.
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