Zephyrs on Greenville

[Howiestern]

A buddy and I hit Zephyrs bar up this weekend. There were lots of 7's and a few 8's. We decided it would be interesting to use the direct approach of going up to all the women and saying "Hi, youre kind of hot, wanna make out?" lmfao. Pretty much the "Man Show" boy style if you've ever seen that skit. So that's exactly what we did. We each hit about 5 different women a piece. The majority of responses were positive. Most girls would smile real big and start laughing and found humor in this and didn't think we were serious. Had one say she wasn't drunk enough yet. Very few weren't impressed by our attempts. The cool thing was out of those 10, my buddy found one that took him up on his offer! Funny thing was she was probably one of the better looking girls in the place. Exchanged phone numbers that night and have got a few text messages and email from her already.

There was also a group of 7-8 girls on a couch celebrating a bachelorette party. I decided I'd make my way over and sit down right in the middle of them. Those girls were sitting pretty tight so I had to wiggle my way in between them. I'm thinking "hope this doesn't turn into a train wreck" but who cares if it does this should be entertaining. Fortunately it worked, and I laid some b.s. on one of them and in 5 minutes had pulled her away from the group and got a kiss.

Good times it was, and a good little experiment as well.

[Dragon]

Give me a call next time you guys do that again.

[Kit]

First of all, are we here to improve social skills or get laid? I mean really? The reason I ask is that your approach isn't much more than a numbers game. You can try any approach on enough women and it's eventually going to work because maybe she is attracted to you or lonely or wanting a revenge fuck or any number of reasons.

I have used the attitude that it's a numbers game and if you hit on enough women you'll eventually be successful, but seriously, that is the pussy way to pick up women. I know because I've been that way most of my life, a real pussy when it comes to women.

I challenge you to work on your skills so that you win over the first woman you approach, not 1 out of 20. Isn't that the real goal here? I mean if we just want to get laid, fly to Peru and you can get a HB10 for about $80 an hour.

[AFC AdamLondon]

Heya kit,

Couldn't help but notice a few of your posts on the forum man. Just wanted to bring something up to your attention.

People are here at different levels, it may pay to add a few positive comments into your suggestions, as there is probably some value in alot of what you're saying, yet people may not see it through the mask of negative hostility.

Just as an FYI

AFC Adam

[PicturePerfect]

Yeah dude don't be a tool bro.

Constructive criticism is good to each and everyone of us. Although at times I can say my personal criticism to my own reality or world around me may not be what I want to hear at the time...it'll be better in the end.

It's been one of my goals to be a bit more encouraging.. After you've been in the game long enough you'll learn you can control how you are perceived by other people. Its an alpha trait and its something that comes within time.

Perhaps we're all misinterpreting what you're saying...

"It's simply that...your reputation proceeds you." EHMP


PicturePerfert
- Picture me rollin - 2Pac

[Tribulus1000]

I think this is fine. It flies in the face of everything the so-called gurus say. And his buddy actually got a positive response from it.

You gotta give the guy props for just appoaching in the first place.

Personally, I would do more Direct approach type stuff. Take that same line "Hi You're hot...wanna make out?"
and say it slower and make huge eye contact as you do it. Don't laugh. Be serious and don't let the sexual tension out.

Its not easy to do. Not at first, but it does work.

[Westfall]

I challenge you to work on your skills so that you win over the first woman you approach, not 1 out of 20. Isn't that the real goal here? I mean if we just want to get laid, fly to Peru and you can get a HB10 for about $80 an hour.

They're up to $80/ hour now? Goddamn inflation...

Seriously though, I don't think I would want to win over the first woman I approach...

In my opinion, plowing through 20 women and finding 1 or 2 that I genuinelly connect with would be far superior to plowing and getting the first girl you approach. I've gotten to the point where I can deal with bitchy girls & turn them around into adoring me at times....but I really don't feel like I need to put up with certain unattractive attitudes, so if I girl isn't 1) showing interst and 2) being kind to me, I'll just simply move on to another one...

Is it because another target might be easier? Well, maybe to some degree, but I think it has more to do with me just prefering pleasent girls that are into me...and why would I waste time with a girl that doesn't connect with me (I am quite eccentric) when I could just easily eject, and screen 10 more girls to find one that I like?

Westfall

[DateDemon]

honestly i think it is a numbers game when you start out. You need to approach as many girls as possible. I think its a social skills game later though. After you can approach you need to try to raise your success rate with the women you want.
I do think that the pua community places too high of an emphasis on the F close though and they put too much emphasis on sheer number. I kind of understand stand where they are coming from though the F close is like a proof of sorts that I captured the prey so I can see why pua's would want to f close girls to prove they could have them.
I see where you are coming from Kit but they do have a very good point that you don't know his circumstances and he could be at a different skill level or he could have opened 18 girls that weren't worth his time even if he did everything perfectly.

[Kit]

I challenge you to work on your skills so that you win over the first woman you approach, not 1 out of 20. Isn't that the real goal here? I mean if we just want to get laid, fly to Peru and you can get a HB10 for about $80 an hour.

They're up to $80/ hour now? Goddamn inflation...

Seriously though, I don't think I would want to win over the first woman I approach...

In my opinion, plowing through 20 women and finding 1 or 2 that I genuinelly connect with would be far superior to plowing and getting the first girl you approach. I've gotten to the point where I can deal with bitchy girls & turn them around into adoring me at times....but I really don't feel like I need to put up with certain unattractive attitudes, so if I girl isn't 1) showing interst and 2) being kind to me, I'll just simply move on to another one...

Is it because another target might be easier? Well, maybe to some degree, but I think it has more to do with me just prefering pleasent girls that are into me...and why would I waste time with a girl that doesn't connect with me (I am quite eccentric) when I could just easily eject, and screen 10 more girls to find one that I like?

Westfall

I agree with you completely however that was not really my point. These guys did not appear to be looking for someone they could connect with. I read it as they were just direct approaching until someone bit which is fine and I will go into more detail in my next response here.

Oh and yeah, inflation sucks, the value of the dollar has dropped dramatically over the last year and I mean a true HB10, the HB7s are like $40

[Kit]

Heya kit,

Couldn't help but notice a few of your posts on the forum man. Just wanted to bring something up to your attention.

People are here at different levels, it may pay to add a few positive comments into your suggestions, as there is probably some value in alot of what you're saying, yet people may not see it through the mask of negative hostility.

Just as an FYI

AFC Adam

I think people tend to read using their own personality. Sometimes it's easy to misconstrue intending meaning in text. For example I have had women telling me I was hilarious when I was being totally serious just because they were women that loved to laugh and see the humor in things.

I do however see your point. I made an assumption about this guy’s level of confidence. If his goal was simply to overcome the fear of approaching women, then I owe him kudos because I have to admit it scares the hell out of me. I am here to overcome that. It's just that I also have very high expectations for myself in anything that I take on in life. I want to go beyond overcoming my fear of approaching and move on to being able to elicit certain responses and plow through “shit tests.” I think of “plowing” as moving forward when a woman challenges your value and not as plowing through a lot of women to find one that will actually talk to you.

I have always increased the quality of life and success rate of people around me in every aspect of life so if anyone here cannot handle my outspoken and opinionated personality I sincerely feel it would be a loss for them but I understand that everyone has a different personality. I am supportive and encouraging and I never let a friend down or betray a friend. Do not expect me to kiss ass though. If you need your ego stroked constantly, I’m not the dude for you and quite honestly I’d consider your personality to fragile for me to respect. When I say “you” I am in no way directing this at you personally. I mean in general, the reader of my posts. I thought your post was written in a way that I can respect and agree with - except for the very last sentence which I think is a little too dramatic.