Help - HB10 is losing interest?

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Whats up guys. I seriously need some advice on this.

I met this girl at 8.0 a few nights back. Looks like a classy Pam Anderson. Anway, my buddy starts talking to the group of 3 girls and I talk to the hot one. We talk for about 15 minutes, and I head off. She comes over a little later and asks if my friend and I would come sit with them to run off these older guys who pulled a table sit down. We oblige, and she introduces me to these AFCs as "my boyfriend." We start talking and we have a ton in common.

Go out later to get some food after the bar. Her and her friends ride with us. Her ugly friend keeps trying to hold hands with me, but I am despiratly trying to shed her off. So we have some along time, and she asks if I would want to go out with her sometime. I got over anxious, gave a "hell yeah" and went in for a kiss and was shot down. I guess I recovered, because she did call me back and we went out.

Date 1 - go eat and get a few drinks. We have a lot in common and I am really digging her. This is where I get screwed up. When I like a girl, they can tell and don't like you. Not sure how I can like a girl and not let her see it. Anyway, date goes great. She gives me a peck on the lips before she goes.

Date 2 - I call her on a Sunday later that week and don't hear back from her till Thusday. WTF. Is she trying to take control of this deal? I wait a few days to give her the same treatment. I hate the stupid phone games, probably because I don't know how to play them. We have exchanged a few text messages and phone calls in between. She asks if we could meet up this past Friday before she goes out for a halloween party. We meet up. Everything is going well. We actually talk about some deep subjects and there is a lot of chemistry. Its time to go. We make out for a few seconds and part ways.

Ok, here are the things I am worried about.

1) She tells me her and her friends are going to Austin on Saturday before Halloween dressed as playboy bunnies. She can pull it off, not sure about her friends. Is she just looking for as much attention as possible and not interested? I have run across women before who are only interested in getting as much attention as possible.

2) I told her I wanted to see her again, and threw out meeting up this Friday, well today. She is going to Shreveport with her friends to go out and gamble. I also get tips from her that she is wanting to move back to South Texas if she can. Hmmmmm. I am getting the feeling that she is trying to brush me off. WTF. Everything has been going well when we have been out.

We hang up the phone at 6:00 pm and she tells me to call her after class. I haven't called her back now for 3 days. I like the girl, but don't want to be jerked around.

What is your guys opinions on this? Is this thing screwed up beyond repair? How can I turn the table into my favor on her being the one persuing?

Sorry, AFC big time here! Help!

[rez]

Well it seems like everything was going good until you stated that you wanted to see her again. Now you acknowledge the fact that your digging this chic well if your digging this girl and talking about "deep" subjects then your probably throwing out signals that you dig her. Which if this chic is your girlfriend isnt a big deal. but if you havent even f-closed her then you have to make her want you not the other way around. Keep in mind girls who are hot enough to go to halloween as play boy bunnies are dime a dozen. I'd throw her game back at her, tell her your going out with some of your friends to some crazy party even if your not. Or say your going out to some club in Dallas that you have VIP at. You have to reclaim your social value to this chic. But I mean its really hard to diagnose this situation without actually seeing how you two interact together like in person. So yeah thats my 2 cents. 8.0's is a good place but Dallas is a MUCH more target rich environment. I live right in between them so try to go out to dallas sometime. You'll like what you see.

[Welsh_Dragon]

This is my opinion. If you don't like it sorry - maybe I am wrong (doubt it though).

First off you need to fclose the first night ideally or if not at the very least the next day/meet. Absolutely if she doesn't fuck you on the third meeting (I never bother usually) she will never so ditch her.

You are correct and I would guess that your over eagerness has worked against you in achieving this goal. It is commendable however that you are leaning this crap by experience rather than being a keyboard jockey.

You could have fclosed her that first night from the sounds of the interaction so focus on that goal next time. Make it impossible for her not to do it and she will.

Advice at this point is annoy her by not calling, being aloof and most importantly BEING THE PRIZE. If you are lucky you won't have already blown it and she will call you into play again. This time don't screw it up and make her chase you. If not no big deal - there are PLENTY more where that came from.

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Cool. Thanks for the advice guys. The close is what I suck at. How should I have gone forward with the f-close on the first or second date? Should I just be blunt about it and hope not to get slapped? I know the answer is to quit being a puss, and I am totally cool with doing that... but also hate screwing up. How would you guys have closed?

I grew up in Dallas and used to live in Up-Town. It was pretty fun, but not really my style or that is my lame ass excuse for not having all the success I wanted while over there. 8.0 is pretty cool, but was dead last night because it is cold now.

Had an interesting night last night. Went out here in Fort Worth and started working these two girls against each other. They were in the same group, so it got very interesting. One guy tells me that one of the girls I was talking with is bi and she hooks up regurlarly with another girl in the group. I verify and they talked about using strap-ons with each other. Hmmm, very interesting... just keep the strap on away from me One of the girls asks me to go with them to New Orleans Nights which is a local strip club here in FW. We roll over there and I made out with 3 girls in the group. Its time for the bar to close, and the two bi girls don't want to go party with the other group of girls and guys. They wanted to head back to her place. Hell yeah. We go pick up some beer and I try and gain some comfort level with her bi friend who is going to stay with us as well. As I am talking to her friend, the original girl goes back and goes to F'ing sleep! WTF. I sleep in bed with both of them but don't get any. I get the whole "I am very religious now and won't have sex." from the blonde I had been working all night.

See a patter here! Damn, I hate not knowing how to close! I finally make the whole thing happen and don't close it out.

[Neuromancer]

Let's analyse, it's how I learn

Whats up guys. I seriously need some advice on this.

I met this girl at 8.0 a few nights back. Looks like a classy Pam Anderson. Anway, my buddy starts talking to the group of 3 girls and I talk to the hot one.

If you're buddy opened the set, the hot one is his, help him out man don't make it harder for him. Roll into the set, social proof him and then entertain the blockers while he goes after the HB.

We talk for about 15 minutes, and I head off. She comes over a little later and asks if my friend and I would come sit with them to run off these older guys who pulled a table sit down.

Run game on her at this point. Neg her a bit and make her jump through a few hoops. "I don't know. What's in it for us?" wait until she starts to respond and jump in, "tell you what, a couple of drinks and we're your gigolos." Go arm in arm to the bar. Take a little time to choose, Look at her and say, "shots?" now you are at the bar doing shots with the No1 HB at the club... and she's buying. I know you can ask for more social proof but I doubt Gov. Arnie is gonna show up to party with you.

We oblige, and she introduces me to these AFCs as "my boyfriend."

Cool, Time for a neg. "hey, stop being so serious, I barely know you."

We start talking and we have a ton in common.

Go out later to get some food after the bar. Her and her friends ride with us. Her ugly friend keeps trying to hold hands with me, but I am despiratly trying to shed her off.

time for social proof, let the ug take you to the friend zone. HB will not miss that. (not only can you let her down easy but you get along with her blockers. HBs keep ugs around for a REASON.

So we have some along time, and she asks if I would want to go out with her sometime. I got over anxious, gave a "hell yeah" and went in for a kiss and was shot down. I guess I recovered, because she did call me back and we went out.

OUCH! blurting is my worst problem, I feel ya man. Now you have to ask, can it be recovered? How about tacking on "you buyin'?" or "I love it when women buy me dinner!" try to keep the same energy as the blurt.

Date 1 - go eat and get a few drinks. We have a lot in common and I am really digging her. This is where I get screwed up. When I like a girl, they can tell and don't like you. Not sure how I can like a girl and not let her see it.

Let her see it but escalate Kino slowly and always pull back and let her come after you you escalate. Look up Evolution phase shift on stylelife.com. Remember an SOI. the videos on this site, (link off the front page) explain it well.

Anyway, date goes great. She gives me a peck on the lips before she goes.

You're in the friend zone now baby. Wanna get back from here ya gotta go Ross Jeffies on her ass. Build rapport, drop her in state and hit her with the discovery pattern. She will be slobbin before she knows what happened. A few days of NLP conditioning and you will be where you should have been at this point.

Date 2 - I call her on a Sunday later that week and don't hear back from her till Thusday. WTF. Is she trying to take control of this deal? I wait a few days to give her the same treatment. I hate the stupid phone games, probably because I don't know how to play them. We have exchanged a few text messages and phone calls in between. She asks if we could meet up this past Friday before she goes out for a halloween party. We meet up. Everything is going well. We actually talk about some deep subjects and there is a lot of chemistry. Its time to go. We make out for a few seconds and part ways.

Pretty self explanatory

Ok, here are the things I am worried about.

1) She tells me her and her friends are going to Austin on Saturday before Halloween dressed as playboy bunnies. She can pull it off, not sure about her friends. Is she just looking for as much attention as possible and not interested? I have run across women before who are only interested in getting as much attention as possible.

2) I told her I wanted to see her again, and threw out meeting up this Friday, well today. She is going to Shreveport with her friends to go out and gamble. I also get tips from her that she is wanting to move back to South Texas if she can. Hmmmmm. I am getting the feeling that she is trying to brush me off. WTF. Everything has been going well when we have been out.

We hang up the phone at 6:00 pm and she tells me to call her after class. I haven't called her back now for 3 days. I like the girl, but don't want to be jerked around.

What is your guys opinions on this? Is this thing screwed up beyond repair? How can I turn the table into my favor on her being the one persuing?

Sorry, AFC big time here! Help!

That's all friend zone. Dressing up as bunnies if fun, she will dress you up as one if she can.

All in all, I call this a success. You DHV'd enough when you opened her to get her to FIND YOU AND BRING YOU BACK TO HER TABLE. If you can do that, it's just a matter of practice. The only real issue I have is the wing support at the beginning. Trade sets, you open he wings, the he opens one and you wing. If you liked her you should have opened the set.