FR Need advice with Older Woman...

[playercool]

Hello All...

Went to Blackfinn and had a pretty decent evening.

I was dancing with some girls and finishing my drink. I noticed one of the girls I was dancing with was holding an empty drink. So I gulped my drink down and set my glass in her glass. It was fucking hilarious. She got so pissed but gave me a huge IOI when I did it. Grabbed my hand and took me over to the bar. Of course as you can imagine wanted me to buy her a drink...NAH that isn't happening. I told her you buy the first round I buy the second. We compromised on buying shots and drinks and splitting the tab. This pissed her off even more since she never buys her own drinks guys buy them for her...yah right. Later kiss closed that and put my number in her phone.

I can tell my game is way too assholeish(is that a word?). Several people called me an asshole. I really need to get some body language tactics down or come off more as cocky funny. But I will say this line solves everything. If you piss someone off just use the MM line by saying I'm sorry I didn't mean to cross the line. I was mearly trying to define the line. I will know next time where that is and make sure not to cross it. Bam the chick I did this to warmed right back up to me. Only prob was I ejected as I didn't have anywhere to take the convo. Rehashing this in my head right now I wish I would of taken it somewhere. Right after I said that she really warmed back up to me. Oh well.

After I ejected out of her I just ended up getting lucky really. As I was walking through the crowd I did this weird move. As I was approaching two HB's I kinda slid over to them(which they saw) and then immediately turned my back. At this exact second my boy walked up and they were like ohh hes cute. Bam I turned around and was like yah hes super good looking and they started saying and so are you...its on. Now this is def fools mate here. I mean pretty much any guy who walks by at this point was prob in... So from there I started dancing with them and switching dancing with both of them. Start making out with one of them and then pull the other one over and start making out with her. These chicks I was told were like 40 but damn they had smoking hot bodies...geeze. Ended up making out with the one chick for 30 minutes and # closed it.

It sucks if you don't pull a SNL it just doesn't seem successful. I mean what r the odds I end up hooking up with this 36-40 yr old girl. I would say slim to none.

I'm 29 but look much younger. She kept saying I'm so much older than you. All I could say to that is nah I'm way older than you. Can anyone lend some advice on this? She has the stomach of a 18yr old. Her whole body is tight...ugg.

How should I play this one? Should I call or text her? WTF should I say since she was playing the I'm too old for you card? Really why the fuck were you rubbing on my cock all night? Would love to hear from you guys on how I should approach this one...

Thanks

[El Fenix]

I've had the same problem. Tell her you can be her boy toy if she gives you crap about the age difference. I tried the whole "I'll give you a minute to get over it" thing from Mystery, but it never worked for me.
I've found that girls my age take the attention for granted. As women get a little older they appreciate the attention more.

BTW, to quote The Scientist "cougars are catch and release game. They dont make good house pets."

[Thaddeus]

I've had a few run in's with older women and you can probiby draw them in again but you'll have to be sure to make it something that will make her feel like she is regaining her youth. Most of the older women that go out are doing so because they are not yet willing to accept that they are to old for such things. Use this to your benifit!

I am with fenix that you dont want them to be any thing more than a random meet up as they actually do suck the youth right out of you...

[El Fenix]

you do get sucked into mundane things if you see a cougar on the regular.
Especially if their divorced, and have kids. Dont ask me how I know

[Vector]

you do get sucked into mundane things if you see a cougar on the regular.

It depends on the woman. I had one (divorced, with kids) for a while and she knew what she wanted, and it wasn't a daddy. She just wanted to get laid.

[dubya]

I can tell my game is way too assholeish(is that a word?). Several people called me an asshole.

Funny, I'm trying to become more of an asshole.

Now this is def fools mate here. I mean pretty much any guy who walks by at this point was prob in...

They had probably seen you with the other girl.
But more importantly, not just anyone would have been in. You are a guy they were attracted to. They could only have been attracted to you at the moment they met you.

It sucks if you don't pull a SNL it just doesn't seem successful. I mean what r the odds I end up hooking up with this 36-40 yr old girl. I would say slim to none.

Bullshit. How do you measure success? You made out with two seperate women in the span of about twenty minutes. Thats pretty fucking cool. It may not be the ultimately most successful outcome possible but it is a successful outcome. Be happy about it. And the odds of you hooking up with a girl of any age who is attracted to you is always good. Get the age thing out of your head. It doesn't matter.

How should I play this one? Should I call or text her? WTF should I say since she was playing the I'm too old for you card? Really why the fuck were you rubbing on my cock all night? Would love to hear from you guys on how I should approach this one...

If you want to call her then you should call her. Ignore the age difference unless she brings it up. Have the attitude that age aint nothing but a number.

If she doesn't answer or she doesn't agree to meet you or she can't get passed the age or whatever, don't worry about it. Just go on to the next one. Don't take it personally. But yeah, I would call. You might as well.

[Westfall]

I'm 29 but look much younger. She kept saying I'm so much older than you.

This reminds me of the time I f-closed Margert Thatcher...

Kidding. Here's what you do.

Old Crone: I'm older than you, blah blah balh, age blah blah.
WF: No, no, I'm not. I'm not at all to old for you. In fact, I'm older than you.

Here you're argueing with her & qualifying. Additionally, you're obviously lying to her in a lame attempt to get into her pants. This is not good.

Old Crone: Blah blah, older than you.
WF: Yeah, you are older than me.
WF: What is up with you old people always trying to get with us younger guys? Can't you find hot guys your own age?

Here you acknowledge her bullshit logical arguement, agree with her, then frame the situation like you're some attractive young guy who always gets hit on by older women. You also set up a hoop--she will feel compelled to qualify to you by telling you she can get guys her own age. Or you could try a response like this:

Old Crone: blah blah blah, you're young. I'm old.
WF (absurdifying): Well I wasn't going to say anything at first, but this whole time I've been wondering which nursing home you escaped from, and whether or not I should try to help you get back safely or just trick you into putting me into your will.

This is breaking rapport. If you have enough comfort built up, OC will seek to re-establish that rapport. Essentially you're shoving her away, taking the comfort she had with you back. The idea is that she will chase you to re-establish this comfort. She'll likey say something like "I'm not that old!!". You want to make her feel like she's too old for you, and that she will have to qualify to you to make up for her age.

Read up on the Red Hat Society, then accuse her of being a member of it

These tactics also work on girls that accuse you of being too old.

Westfall

[El Fenix]

you do get sucked into mundane things if you see a cougar on the regular.

It depends on the woman. I had one (divorced, with kids) for a while and she knew what she wanted, and it wasn't a daddy. She just wanted to get laid.

Similar situation I have right now. Makes a Toys-R-Us run for the kiddos not so bad. I only see her when her Ex hubby has the kids. Works just fine

[Vector]

Old Crone: Blah blah, older than you.
WF: Yeah, you are older than me.
WF: What is up with you old people always trying to get with us younger guys? Can't you find hot guys your own age?

Here you acknowledge her bullshit logical arguement, agree with her, then frame the situation like you're some attractive young guy who always gets hit on by older women. You also set up a hoop--she will feel compelled to qualify to you by telling you she can get guys her own age.

I think this needs a little refinement. A lot of the game tactics are designed to handle a situation where the woman presumes you're trying to get into her pants until proven otherwise. For older women who may doubt their attractiveness to you, you have to approach it differently.

They want reassurance that you find them attractive and that you like them. When qualifying, you have to pay special attention to finding things in her to appreciate. You have to answer the question in her mind of why you like her. With younger women it's, "He likes me." With older women it's, "He likes me, despite me being X years older."

I have a routine I run all the time when age comes up, and with younger women it can be used to disqualify (for attraction) and with older women it can be used to qualify (for comfort). I've posted it elsewhere so I won't repeat it here but the basic idea is that as women age, they find themselves and become more complete human beings, and they are less influenced by stupid, arbitrary rules of society.

Also I would say, once you're in comfort, stop negging. You can still tease and be fun, but don't disqualify or imply that she's not good enough. Don't break rapport. In comfort, that's a big step backward. This is for all ages, not just older women.

You can still do push/pull, but in comfort it should not be breaking rapport or negging. It's more like, "I'm getting too excited, what are you doing to me? (stop kissing, push away, keep talking, then after a few minutes re-engage, or allow her to re-engage)"

[playercool]

Thanks for the advice.

Westfall those are some awesome comebacks. It seems like older women are attracted to me or something so those will come in handy.

I have a lot to learn...