Downtown Fw

[JohnnyBravo]

This was bad tonight. Good God, I need help with this shit. I broke up with my gf of 4 yrs about 1-2 mos ago. My game sucks - bad. I was checking out a Lykis board and saw where someone recommedend "The Game". I bought it Fri. AM and finished reading it Sat. AM. I did a google search and found Mystery's site, and then this site. So I decided to hit downtown Ft. Worth tonight. My plan - open with the spell routine, do ESP, do Jealous GF, do C vs. U smile, isolate, then do the cube followed by the "look into each others soul" via the right eye gaze. Sounds good right? Maybe? Well......I never got past the spell routine.

Most of the night I would hang out at the bar and then initiate conversation when I saw a HB I was interested in getting a drink next to me. I figured if a HB was buying a drink, she was either with another girl (who was sometimes near the HB at the bar - I would initiate conversation with the friend), or with an AFC - who would soon join her after he saw her talking with me.

Entrance into downtown: I walked into the parking garage elevator and was joined by a chick and a guy who was holding a bag with a bunch of flowers on it. The girl was very gregarious and asked me if I was married. I said "no". Then she introduced herself as Britney. I introduced myself. Then she said I should come hear him (the guy) play. I said, "Play what?". She said "he's playing music at the 8.0". Apparently he was in the band. I said, "He's carrying a bag with a bunch of flowers on it. What's up with that? That's kinda girly isn't it?" The guy was real quiet and never said much except "well, if I don't carry it, it won't get there". An obvious jab at the HB. By then, the elevator had reached the street level. We walked to the street crossing where the 8.0 was and I told the girl "I may see you later". I did go back later but it was so crowded I couldn't locate her. Should I have follwed them to the club and continued? I'm thinking I probably should have, but I wanted to be allusive and show up later.

At first it was difficult to initiate conversation. After a few beers it became easier. I would always open with the obstacle. However, most of the time both chicks would be HB and it wouldn't really matter to me which of the HBs I initiated conversation with and which was the target. As far as I was concerned either chick would do as the target! Most of the sets I opened were 2 sets with 2 HBs - unless a single girl ordered a drink next to me and I started on the spell routine and then she was joined by an AFC - usually boyfriend or husband. He would put her arm around her and that would be the end of it. However, one time I nearly got in a fight with a guy when I asked his wife's opinion on spells. She was by herself then he came up to the bar where we were. He said "That's my wife." I said, "I don't give a shit, I still need her opinion on this. Fuck you if you don't like it". He advanced towards me and his wife saved him (me?). There was a cop about 20 feet away and I was praying I'd get hit!

Another 2set I opened with the spells routine had a girl who said she was Southern Baptist and got freaked out by my routine saying she didn't want to hear anymore of that kind of talk. It really freaked her out. I looked at the target and said "Is she always like that?" Then she grabbed the target and walked away. Either girl could've easily been the target. Hell, I wasn't picky. They were both HB's.

Another scenario was that I'd open a 2 set with the spells routine, finish it, then the HBs would just walk away. This happend numerous times tonight. How the fuck do you handle that?

Looking back, one thing I didn't do much of was use time constraints. Maybe before I launched into the spells routine I should've said something about not being able to stay around very long? Perhaps that was a key?

FWIW most of the targets were early to mid 20s.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
JB

[Scoundrel]

This was bad tonight. Good God, I need help with this shit. I broke up with my gf of 4 yrs about 1-2 mos ago. My game sucks - bad. I was checking out a Lykis board and saw where someone recommedend "The Game". I bought it Fri. AM and finished reading it Sat. AM. I did a google search and found Mystery's site, and then this site. So I decided to hit downtown Ft. Worth tonight. My plan - open with the spell routine, do ESP, do Jealous GF, do C vs. U smile, isolate, then do the cube followed by the "look into each others soul" via the right eye gaze. Sounds good right? Maybe? Well......I never got past the spell routine.

Most of the night I would hang out at the bar and then initiate conversation when I saw a HB I was interested in getting a drink next to me. I figured if a HB was buying a drink, she was either with another girl (who was sometimes near the HB at the bar - I would initiate conversation with the friend), or with an AFC - who would soon join her after he saw her talking with me.

Entrance into downtown: I walked into the parking garage elevator and was joined by a chick and a guy who was holding a bag with a bunch of flowers on it. The girl was very gregarious and asked me if I was married. I said "no". Then she introduced herself as Britney. I introduced myself. Then she said I should come hear him (the guy) play. I said, "Play what?". She said "he's playing music at the 8.0". Apparently he was in the band. I said, "He's carrying a bag with a bunch of flowers on it. What's up with that? That's kinda girly isn't it?" The guy was real quiet and never said much except "well, if I don't carry it, it won't get there". An obvious jab at the HB. By then, the elevator had reached the street level. We walked to the street crossing where the 8.0 was and I told the girl "I may see you later". I did go back later but it was so crowded I couldn't locate her. Should I have follwed them to the club and continued? I'm thinking I probably should have, but I wanted to be allusive and show up later.

IMHO you should have tried to number close the HB from the elevator and gone on to where ever you were going. Something like:

“I’m meeting some people at the whatever. But, why don’t you give me your number and maybe I’ll come and see you guys later.”

Also, if she wants to know if you’re single, she’s interested.

At first it was difficult to initiate conversation. After a few beers it became easier. I would always open with the obstacle. However, most of the time both chicks would be HB and it wouldn't really matter to me which of the HBs I initiated conversation with and which was the target. As far as I was concerned either chick would do as the target!

It is important to pick a target so you can neg her.

Most of the sets I opened were 2 sets with 2 HBs - unless a single girl ordered a drink next to me and I started on the spell routine and then she was joined by an AFC - usually boyfriend or husband. He would put her arm around her and that would be the end of it. However, one time I nearly got in a fight with a guy when I asked his wife's opinion on spells. She was by herself then he came up to the bar where we were. He said "That's my wife." I said, "I don't give a shit, I still need her opinion on this. Fuck you if you don't like it". He advanced towards me and his wife saved him (me?). There was a cop about 20 feet away and I was praying I'd get hit!

You need to read TD’s article on AMOGing. It’s the shit! Mojo posted it in the tactics and techniques section I think.

Another 2set I opened with the spells routine had a girl who said she was Southern Baptist and got freaked out by my routine saying she didn't want to hear anymore of that kind of talk. It really freaked her out. I looked at the target and said "Is she always like that?" Then she grabbed the target and walked away. Either girl could've easily been the target. Hell, I wasn't picky. They were both HB's.

Another scenario was that I'd open a 2 set with the spells routine, finish it, then the HBs would just walk away. This happend numerous times tonight. How the fuck do you handle that?

You have to move into another routine or throw in a neg. I’m fond of the “sexual predators” routine. You have to stack them.

Looking back, one thing I didn't do much of was use time constraints. Maybe before I launched into the spells routine I should've said something about not being able to stay around very long? Perhaps that was a key?

FWIW most of the targets were early to mid 20s.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
JB

Sense you were opening Hbs that came up to the bar; they already had someplace to go. She’ll go back to her group. You’d be better off opening sets. If you go in, you’re in control!