FR: Analyzing SNL game

[Welsh_Dragon]

I have recently been working hard to improve SNL game. I am trying to break apart what goes on beneath the surface and thereby ratchet up the success and quality rates. Comments, suggestions, criticisms are welcomed. Encouraged in fact. I am constantly trying to grow and improve my game. For privacy reasons I do not post LR or specifics.

A lot of this was revised and worked on in San Francisco – Mission, Marina, SoMa (or is it SoMo. Or SoHo? haha), Theater District, etc…

Those of you who attended Adam London’s seminar last week will be familiar with some of my chosen methods. I have worked to become extremely good at building energy and value in a venue by essentially opening many strategic and/or random sets. I do also like to have a friendly face along if possible (if only to take a breather for a bit and discuss non female shit) but this is by no means necessary. My favourite San Fran wingman is SF Star. BIG up man if you read this. A good wing is priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.


Below are some random thoughts from the field:


- Once I get the energy momentum started I really have a hard time slowing down. This is fantastic for building huge social proof and getting to know a lot of people in the venue. It helps a ton to have people constantly saying hi, buying you drinks, girls remembering you, etc... The problem is where do you draw the line? I have found girls getting annoyed after a k-close and 5 minutes later I am into another set talking to other girls. No problem if you #close and day2 but for SNL this seems like it can become an issue.

- Following on from the above point I am wondering when, where and if my game needs to slow down. Within the first few sets I will typically find HB8+ girl(s) who are into me. I don’t want (or at least I am not sure I should want) to spend the whole night with one girl or set but the SNL success appears to go way up when I do. It also is apparent that once you k-close a girl you have crossed a line and are usually expected to maintain focus on her. Not always but often this has been true in my experience. I see girls actively screening me out for continuing to game other girls after we have kissed. I put this down to ASD (or my shoddy game – one of the two). It also amuses me how it's OK for them to do it.

- My dancing ability is still questionable (dance floor music in America typically sucks balls BTW). No matter how much practice I never feel like I am DHV enough with my moves. I often feel like they let me away with not being a great dancer because they are already fully invested. I wonder how else I could get better in this area. Obviously lessons might help but what are good classes to take?

- Day game is fooking fantastic for SNL. It seems to be somewhat easier after you game them in the day first. I still count this as SNL if I close them that night although this is sort of cheating and really a day2. I absolutely love really cool second hand book stores, free museums, quaint coffee shops, etc… Usually don't get time in the day to do this shit but when I do it pumps up the results bigtime.

- I definitely need to drink less. I hit the point after 7-8 or so beers where I am too loud and obnoxious and not as in control of BL. Like for example leaning in and spitting a little during animated talk. Frame is no longer as tight after i'm boozed up. I have started drinking one water for one beer but I have an aversion to being a lightweight so I end up downing the water (better than nothing I suppose). This is hard for me but being the drunk ass apparently isn’t DHV except with my mates where its a religion (amen).



Here is some other interesting stuff:

- Girls who will buy you a drink are usually a very good bet. I have taken to asking for this about 5-10 mins into an isolation. “Looks like I/we need another round. Are you going to buy me a drink?”. Easy to recover from as a playful neg if she doesn't bite or she is one of those prissy types (I usually don't go for that anyway).
- They often kiss me first.
- “People watching” with a girl is a fantastic game to play. All girls love this. You can open with it very easily when you catch her doing it. A variation I like is to ask them about the guys in the venue and have her “score” or “rate” the guys. Also sometimes I suggest we pick one out for her.
- I like to disqualify other guys in general by asking if the girl likes “American Guys” or “Dallas Guys” or whatever. I have not met an American girl from any city here who raved about American guys at all. Usually it's a resounding thumbs down. Curious eh? But it draws them into my frame. Whatever city you are in you can continue to disqualify the guys with stupid stereotypes and anecdotal evidence. “White trash Texas Boys”. “30 thousand dollar millionaires”. “I heard all the cute San Francisco men are gay”. You get the point.
- Somehow the girls will slip in the old line “Are you any good in bed?” No idea why but they usually work it in or some variation somehow. An obvious tip off. Apparently they need some reassurance LOL.
- Turn right around and use guys you just bashed to establish your Alpha frame. Help them into sets they otherwise could or would not approach because they have no game knowledge. Ask them about their city/team/job/opinions on girls in this city. Whatever.

Here is a game I love to play.

Find some high value guy or guys without game and ask what they think of “[insert city here]” girls. Usually you will get a negative response.

Then point out a very high value HB set and ask if they look like these typical girls.

Finally open the HB girl/girls with “This guy is telling me all [city] girls are like [blah negative]”. Works very well. The guys will sit there and grin like idiots at you in the set as you mash their chances up and establish yourself as the Alpha. They will even come in and big you up like a superstar. Essentially it works as a pivot. From guys

- Earlier in the evening some girls you open at warm up sets or just gaming will invite you to clubs or parties later.

E.g. Friday - Opened 2 set HB at restaurant Cha Cha Cha with SF Star.

Open
IOIs
Rapport Break
Banter, more IOIs
HB: We are going to Suede later if you want to come
#close

This is fairly typical and all. I like it as it shows me I am getting into the correct frame. But the evening usually gets away from me and I end up completely forgetting about them.

I could go on forever but my flight is about to land. Come on guys. Share yous tactics on SNL!

WD

[Solace]

another thing i will point out:
All the girls I have SNL'd i did not k-close until we were in isolation, and had already changed venues. I'm starting to notice the effect that k-closing a girl has before the venue change.
It's okay to give a peck on the lips for fun and games but for my style of game it works best not to attempt a solid one until deep rapport and/or a venue change. (keep in mind that a venue change deepens rapport as it gives the illusion that you have spent a lot of time together).