Bar pickup gone bad

[proof]

Preface: My first post. Just got out of 10 year relationship and learning this stuff again.

I was at Click's Billiards tonight in Carrollton with my home boy. After a few rounds of uneventful pool and beer the hottest chick in the place shows up (hb 7.5...yah a slow night). She joins a group of 4 (three dudes and an hb 5). I'm like....hell...I'll open the set...It would be my first time since the breakup. I greeted the target who was with another male (not the AMOG) at the jukebox. She introduced herself to me and extended her hand. Got off to a great start. She walked back to the group she was with and I followed.

Before I opened the group, the AMOG gave this chick a kiss on the cheek and lips....whatever. I opened with a skydiving story. "I'm supposed to go skydiving in two weeks....I had a bad dream where I pulled the chute and nothing happened...blah blah blah...I don't know if I can skydive now what do you think I should do..." (I borrowed this from somewhere). Anyhow, the AMOG who is pierced and tattooed all over is completely won over by my storytelling. He steps in front of the target and starts chatting me up like we're buds.

Yadda Yadda Yadda while the dude is talking I'm sending serious eye contact towards the target. I probably could have done better but I'm negging her anytime she says something. For example, conversation turned toward dream interpretation and she said "representation of parents in a dream could indicate authority figures" (which sounded plausible to me but I was like...f it..i'm negging her anyway.) and I told her that sounded like crazy hippy talk.

Somehow I'm able to manage a conversation with the AMOG whilst maintaining the attention of the target...My wing is DOA. It's our first time working together. So it was nearly 2am and the bar was closing. The AMOG says, "let me see your phone" and i give it to him. He puts his fucking number in the cell tells me to call him and walks away.

So now I tried real hard to get this chick interested when the AMOG was gone. My goal was to demonstrate higher value and I f'd up everything. I tried setting up a "magic" trick with my wing but she busted us. I tried the esp game but she didn't guess 7. I was out of tricks but the vibe was still great.

Everyone was heading for the exits. I asked the group where they were going and they said they were gonna go to a buddies house. I didn't want to invite myself so me and my wing rode back to his house....we were laughing the whole way...I had just scored with my targets boyfriend...lol..his number is in my phone right now!

Looking forward to being here and learning from DFW's best!


-PROOF-

[Silverback]

I think you should have gone for the kiss close on AMOG. Seriously though, good FR. It takes balls to stay in it as long as you did and no matter what routines you ran, most likely weren't going to get that far with the girl. If it was at a busier spot (club), probably could have mini isolated and escalted.

[Vector]

Good job for your first time out. You won over the group, or enough of it anyway.

There's nothing wrong with magic tricks, but for some people it doesn't really fit the persona that they project. Over time you will find something that works for you. Again great job.

[Finesse]

sounds to me like something I would have done to cockblock you. he obviously knew she was going home with him so his goal was to keep you occupied long enough for you to not be able to gain rapport with her. im just guessing since the FR wasnt too detailed but im sensing that you spent most of your time talking to him and telling him stories. While you had attraction with your target you couldnt sink your teeth in because there was no rapport.

what he did just seems like something I do on occassion. Alot of times the guys dont pick up on it, and are happy to chat with me. but all in all in the end I know the girl is coming with me so im fine to keep him included. but usually i am leading the convo as well.

in those cases were you pick up on the fact he is cockblocking you can just include her with a "what do you think?" type thing. Its a social faux paux to not let her answer then and you have successfully brought her into the convo.

I dont really know what happen since I wasnt there, so all of this might not even be justified, but im just saying that it sounded to me like something I would have done to cockblock you.

[proof]

So, I got this guy's number. How do I work this to acquire the target? Or is there too much potential beat down in my future if I persist?

All advice welcome

[Vector]

My feeling is it's probably too late. There is perhaps a possibility there but I would guess it's got a low likelihood of working out. It's going to be much, much easier to just find a new target.

[Scoundrel]

I think you have the wrong frame of mind here. You are thinking like a hunter and you should be thinking like a fisherman.

When you open a set it's like casting your line. Sometimes you get a nibble, sometimes you don't, so you cast again. Don't fret about the ones that got away.

[Vector]

I think you have the wrong frame of mind here. You are thinking like a hunter and you should be thinking like a fisherman.

When you open a set it's like casting your line. Sometimes you get a nibble, sometimes you don't, so you cast again. Don't fret about the ones that got away.

That's a great way of putting it. I'm going to steal that metaphor.

[Archaeopteryx]

I think you have the wrong frame of mind here. You are thinking like a hunter and you should be thinking like a fisherman.

When you open a set it's like casting your line. Sometimes you get a nibble, sometimes you don't, so you cast again. Don't fret about the ones that got away.

That's a great way of putting it. I'm going to steal that metaphor.

I also have the "fisherman mindset" when it comes to girls. I throw some dynamite in the water, collect whatever floats to the surface. Then hall ass before the game warden shows up.

[Dr_W]

First, It takes balls to open that set and run it. I think what you get from this is that your game is pretty good with groups. You DHV and everyone knew it. Why else would the Alpha guy lock in and chat you up like that. Now move this to sets that have more single women.

Second, if you are that into getting the chick you could still work this line by calling the guy and going out as a group. Might consider bringing in a pivot on this and see what info you can get about the guy and girls relationship. From there you will have a lot of work to do. I would say she better be the mother of your children type if you are going to mess with like that. haha!

Last, as far as the number thing, I know people kinda made fun of it.... but I think you found a new wingman here. The guy liked you and you seemed to be able to hang with him. Since he has a girlfriend he isn't going to cockblock when you run your game and his tats/piercing/etc... make for good peacock material to draw women to your group. In additon, his girl might be super cool and introduce you to her circle of friends.

I get the idea, you wanted his girl, but maybe you got something better. You know you can run game on groups, you know you can DHV and be a leader of men, and last you might have a new friend to run game with. Sounds like a great night.