Dallas PUA

Hey guys,

This is new for me. I spent almost 2 years doing MM/RSD or some variant of Indirect. I've sarged with some of the biggest names out there but it never really clicked for me.

I studied and studied Mystery Method and I worked constantly on it.

A month after I started, I met O.C. Waterboy who was at a bootcamp I took with Asian Playboy which was back in November of 2005.
O.C. was kind enough to show me how to approach directly with a Shark opener and straight-on, hands on shoulders body language.

At the time, I thought "Hmm..this is cool but I wanna learn the Neil Strauss and Mystery stuff." So I put Direct on the back burner.

Thus I come full circle. Back to Direct Method and my adventure tonight. So tonight I let her rip. A bar in Dallas on a Wed night was ground zero for my Direct Method.

Here's a breakdown.

1. I tell the girl at the door how she looks beautiful and how I like her shirt. She's a little rotund. This is ok because I'm getting warmed up to do more of this.
She warms up to me but there are others in line so I keep moving.

2. I open a bartended with "You look beautiful and I'd like to get to know you." ala Ranko. She lights up and loves it. But she's preoccupied. I do like this girl. Her personality is bubbly and she bounces around and is very cute. I wonder if she'd like to bounce on me!!
She has a boyfriend. This does not bother me.

I am here to calibrate and see the responses. I want to see how far I can take it.

Later I talk to her about singing. I ask "Can you sing?" which is a kind of qualification and then I ask what her kareoke song is.
She says she will be singing on saturday for kareoke there at the same bar. This sounds like an invitation to get to know her better if I've ever heard one.

3. I open a girl I knew previously from a few weeks ago using "Who sings this?" (Low Investment Opener) ala MM.
She is older(50) but she looks good. I tell her how she is beautiful. And I tell her friend who is wearing a cowboy hat the same.

The both smile but the girl I opened earlier doesn't take the compliment well.

I wonder if this is a sympton of someone having low self-esteem. Truely all girls are beautiful. Well most of them are in some way.

4. I open a two set with an indirect style opener but then flip quickly into Direct.
This is interesting.
I say "Would you pay $200 for a pair of jeans?" (Indirect) then I go into a direct compliment "you look beautiful tonight."

This is working well. I don't usually get this far with MM for some reason.

5. The girl from the previous set tells me to open her friends so I do and I use a little jealousy "Are you talking girl talk about her?"
And then I go into a compliment. And this time I actually do some speed seduction pattern language.

"I'm sure you can't SEE US TOGETHER...... COMING........ CLOSER AND FEELING.....SO GOOD."

This really lights up her world.

But she's a little bit chubby and has low self esteem. She tells me that her friend is hot, that she's fat and how later I would say "that' not how you looked at the bar" all in a few sentences.
What's going on? Are all these girls low self esteem tonight???

6. A waitress comes by and asks me and my friend if we are ok? So I say yes and I say "You look pretty tonight." Which makes her totally light up.
This girl is an 8 or 8.5 easy. She is tall, blonde and stunningly hot.

And all that with one quick compliment.

So much for Mystery!

My S.S. friend is really impressed. I tell him the key to this is not being a hot and horny bastard but to be truely romantic and complimentary and caring about her as a man should.

I hope I have this right.

Later I see her and I give her a kiss on the cheek. She has wonderful skin and I'd like to feel it and caress it so I tell her.
She says she has a boyfriend but I ask for the #. I can't believe I don't get it.

Ok so lesson learned. I went a little too much on the gas on this one and maybe I should have gone for more qualification?

7. I see a brunette girl standing alone. I know these cute girls are never alone but I go for it.
Approach straight on...

"You look beautiful... and.... I'd ...like ..to... get... to... know you"

She says thanks. I quickly follow that up with "are you single?" which seems to be a good question to ask.
I show interest, I need to know what the relationship status is.

She says her boyfriend is paying and she's waiting for him. I say "Oh ok. My timing could not be better...nice meeting you." Eject.


It was a good night.

If you are like me and show interest in some way, all the time, because you actually love girls you show interest, then showing interest works because its congruent with how you are on the inside.

Does that make sense to anyone?

I am simply being romantic on the outside because I am romantic on the inside.

This was my first attempt at Direct. It has a huge advantage over MM because it skips over alot of bullshit. From here out, I plan to more approaches so I can get the calibration down some more and also start to work on better body language positioning.

Tribulus out....

Sounds like you got some positive reactions from that. Good work i guess. I worry though that even though you get a good reaction, the balance of power is totally wrong after you make a statement like that.

I'd say "beautiful" or "pretty" are way too mushy and vague. People say that when they want to compliment a girl but can't think of anything to say. Try being specific, or be vague about something non-physical. Perhaps she has a great energy about her.

One thing Juggler talked about in his seminar was talking from the 'I' perspective, and not making the interaction too much about her. If all you talk about is her, it creates a really bad vibe which is basically the "guy hitting on girl" vibe. Talk about yourself. Keep it balanced.

Just because you're talking about yourself doesn't mean you're self-absorbed. Talk about yourself in a way that relates to her. And a lot of things you may want to say about her can be rephrased to be statements about yourself. Instead of "you're sexy" you could say "I'm finding myself starting to get turned on by you." When you talk from your 'I' perspective you are being more open, which makes them more comfortable.

Instead of "let's have a cup of coffee" you might say "I'd like to have a cup of coffee with you." They are equivalent in meaning, but the unilateral statement is technically a statement of fact, where you're simply being open and honest, taking the lead, and displaying confidence.


Direct is not the same as complimenting or hitting on women. Direct is declaring your intent from the beginning, and you will "points" for confidence. Just don't make it too much about her.

Yes I am hitting on her. Yes I am complimenting her. You got it.

Its not MM, Its not Juggler.

This is Attract and Date from Shark and if you haven't heard of Shark, then its not wrong, its just another methodology.

Its European-style Direct Method.

If you don't like it, sorry dude, I really don't care.

Hey, Trib. Do you use this as a numbers game? Are you just cutting through the bullshit? I can see some women being grateful that you dispense with all the game. You express interest, find out if she's available, and qualify. It gets to the point. And if she's not interested or has a boyfriend/husband, then you can next her without running a routine stack.

However, there will still be girls who play games. They'll see if they can get you to buy them a drink or try to get you to jump through hoops. I guess that's why you said you're there to calibrate.

Tell me if I'm understanding you correctly.

Am I missing something here? Surely you want to flip the attraction switch as early as possible and get her chasing you. This "method" would seem to make that goal a lot more difficult than it could or should be unless I am missing something which is entirely possible.

don't get me wrong I am all about direct game. I don't run many routines at all but these raw compliments would surely do more harm than good. Also what is European about it?

Vector - I like your advice. Trib, I think you missed his point. He is not saying don't make direct statements, he is suggesting that you should make direct statements about non-physical things (her energy) or direct intent statements "I would like to take you to get coffee"

I have used all three - direct compliments about non physcial, direct intentions and direct flattery ("you are so adorable")- and all have worked for me.

What I have found most often when I use direct flattery "I like your smile, that is a cute necklace, etc." is that I get a positive, sincere reaction from the girls. However, that doesn't mean I have generated attraction. I am just being a nice guy who has paid them a compliment and made them smile. And I have probably lowered my value a bit because I am one of 50 guys who has given them a similar compliment that evening.

I have listened to Shark's CDs. He makes some good points. I think a lot of what he does works best in very loud clubs with short attention span party girls. But you have been in the community a long while Trib. If you think it works for you and you are feeling it, then by all means, go for it.

If you are going to go direct with the physical, I suggest making it at least playful to generate attraction.

"Excuse me, I don’t mean to interrupt you but I had to tell you, you are unbelievably cute/beautiful/I love your toes.

You will most likely get a genuine, polite smile. The same one she gave the other 49 guys who approached her with a compliment about her looks that evening.

Then say to her "Now this is the part that you tell me I am cute/well hung also/tall, dark and handsome also. I don’t know if you have done this before…this is called flirting. I am going to take you through it step by step. You are doing well so far."

And then continue on being confident and C/F. Now you will stand out as someone who deserves some of her time.

Thoughts?

Ah, the age old Indirect vs Direct argument.

To me, they are simply two sides of the same coin. Once you learn one style, go out and learn the other. It's not about being an acolyte to a cult of personality, but having as many tools in your toolbelt for all the different situations and women out there.

Personally, my suggestion is to learn Indirect and become at least competent in it as it allows you to focus your attention on the technical skills.

The biggest, imo, difference between Indirect vs Direct is that you go in ASSUMING ATTRACTION. You don't BUILD/CREATE attraction, it's already there from the get go.

Then it's simply your job to move the set to it's natural conclusion. Does Direct work all the time? of course not. But neither does Indirect. Versatility is the key and being intuitive enough to choose the right approach at the right time with the right girl.

More thoughts...................

Indirect is good for groups, AMOG sets, ADD chicks, attention whores, etc.

Direct should definitely be used for when you get AI. Why the fuck waste time beating around the bush?

However, having said that, I think a few things about at least becoming competent with Direct Game that are worth the price of admission alone are:

1) Emphasis on Tonality
2) Emphasis on Body Language
3) Believing you're attractive / she's attracted to you, from the get go

I already talked about Tonality and BL in a different thread so I'll expand on #3.

See, I think I always had a somewhat difficult time with negs especially opening HBs with them.

It PRESUPPOSES that YOU aren't attractive enough for her so that's why you Neg. Now, don't get me wrong, Negs have their time and place to correct the attitude of some girl who stupidly thinks she's better than you. But not all the time and definitely not as a crutch for a fragile ego.

It's like, you HAVE to run Game in order to get her attracted. You just plow, plow, DHV, DHV, BT spike, etc, bloody etc. You want her more attracted to you so you continually run more Game.

Now, let's flip the script here... How about instead of presupposing that you NEED to run Game, that she's ALREADY attracted to you? Your job then is to simply shut the fuck up and LET her be attracted to you.

All you have to do is approach, open, get past the hook point, let her talk, qualify herself, and then go sexual.

It's a helluva lot less time consuming.

Of course, I don't recommend Direct Game for the novice or newbies. It generally requires bigger balls and meeting a bare minimum Passive Value (ie having your shit together) as well as competency in all the Nonverbal Communication skills.

But I think it's a good, natural step to at least experiment with in one's evolution as a PUA.

"Nonverbal Communication skills"

Imo, this matters more than anything else in game.

Mode one , let the woman know what you`re really thinking. alan currie