FR #3 - ULTRA (need some advice)

[ULTRA]

Field Report
By: ULTRA

Field Report #3

Premise:

So I went out sarging Th/Fri/Sat/ night this past weekend and had a lot of success, but I have been hitting a wall of sorts. The previous weeks I have been focusing on Active Disinterest and Neging. I have really become quite good at both and it is becoming more natural to me. The problem is that I tend to “ping-pong” from one girl to the next especially if there is a big group of girls that are all friends. I will open them and then proceed to active disinterest and Negging. (I am talking girls in the 8 to 10 range, so a lot of Negging is needed).

I like to use takeaways so I tend to talk to a girl for a while and then do a takeaway. I almost always come back to them, but my problem is almost like a “kid in candy store” where as I can never settle on one target. Granted it is good to move around to different chicks to raise social proof and sarge their friends into liking you so as to prevent obstacles, but in the past I would not focus on a target and I would not progress.

This weekend I worked solely on “staying on target” and closing one way or another (mostly # closes). It went well and I finally opened a solid 10 on Friday. I just need to progress to more DHV and need some of you guys advice on sequences I can run. I don’t have many good sequences yet, as I am still acquiring them.


Analysis:

So towards the end of the night on Friday I was on fire. I took me all night to get warmed up but it was well worth it. I was out this fancy outdoor bar, which is perfect for sarging because there are so many hot women there and no loud music so it is easy to talk. I don’t even remember opening this chick (I think I just wandered up and said hi, but I don’t remember) but I found myself talking to by far the hottest chick in the place. (which is saying a lot for this place because there is a lot of talent there). She was a 10. She was from Turkey and was absolutely gorgeous. She had that tan exotic look to her which was amplified by her sexy accent. Her face was round and her smile was amazing.

I know I would have to Neg her big time and show no interest in her at first. She was with a few other foreign girls (they we all Au Pairs or something) as well as her older sister who was English and looked only a little like her (I never quite figured that out). I talked to her for a while about Turkey and then decided I was going to have to go talk to her sister and the other chicks to win their approval. (this functioned well as a takeaway of sorts because I just stopped talking to my target).

So I sarge them for a while and remember my plan of not “ping-ponging” so I go back to her. She was being bombarded while I was away from her by other guys. (man she is hot!) A great line I use to get back into a girl if she has other guys sarging her is to walk up to the dudes and say “hey man, that’s my wife your trying to pick up!” After they look at me dumbfounded, I tell them I am just joking and everyone laughs. This a multi-function line in that it: (1) makes her laugh, (2) disarms the guys, (3) becomes a social proof because I am again the center of attention, and (4) the guys usually think they are outfoxed and move away. (Unless they are Alpha Males)

Well It worked and again I had her all to myself. I then ran my “1-10” sequence (borrowed from Mystery) in which I take her and hand pretend to do ESP and palm reading (or what ever it doesn’t really matter what you say as long as it sound interesting and mysterious) and tell her to pick a number 1-10 (and I always say 7 per Mystery’s instruction). I have been right most of the time I do this (it’s quite amazing that most people almost always say seven). The thing was that this time something funny happened. I guessed seven and she paused and looked away, and I asked if I was right and she said “yes, how did you know?” Then I was about to say something like “well we must have a mental connection, Blah, Blah, Blah”… but she stopped me and said that she lied and she actually had picked 3 (which is always the second number I guess) and that she just wanted me to win! I took this as an IOI that she “let me win” only because she began laughing and giving me lots of kino at this point.

I got her number and ended up walking her and her friends to the cab stand and went home. Normally I never call a chick the next day but I decided what the hell. I wanted to keep the momentum going with her because she was so hot and would no doubt be bombarded by men the next night. For some reason she wanted to go back to the same place the next night so she told me she would meet me there around 10 PM with her friends. So I got there at about 1130 to show that I was not “chasing” her, and it gave me some time to warm up at a few other places with some friends.

One thing I did after she Txt messaged me telling me where and when she would be was I did NOT respond to her. Meaning I did not call her or txt her to say that I was definitely coming. I wanted to keep the upper hand, and have her guessing about weather I would show or not. Luckily, I ran into her and her other hot Brazilian friend right when I arrived. She was looking so amazing again and I knew I would have to step up. We went over to the same friends she had with her the night before including her older sister, who was married, and I really was trying to get in with her so she could help me with her little sis.

The Sister and me really hit it off and she told me that she had told my Target (her little sis) that she thought I was worthy of her (I was in!) and also that I have to understand that Target was a very high maintenance chick so I should be ready for that. (well of course she was high maintenance, she was F#*$ing hot!)

I ran another sequence I like to do which I call a “smiling contest.” It is the same concept as a staring contest, except whoever smiles first loses. This is a great game to play because the result is that everyone in the group ends up laughing at the end of each contest, and again it is a DHV because It shows that you are fun to be around, and that you can control the attention of a whole bunch of people at once.

{what I really was asking you guys is that I need more games like this like “the cube” and all of the other games and sequences that are out there. My question is whether anyone knows of any single list or place where I can find a bunch of them??? I know there are a few on the forum, but I was looking for a big text file or something that has a bunch I can mull over. Any Ideas????}

Conclusion:

Finally I end up walking them back to their car again, as I did the night before, except this time we had a lot of kino going. She was holding my hand ect. and we were doing a lot of touching. Normally I would try and isolate and K-close, which I wanted to so badly, but as Mojo says “the logistics were bad.”

It would have been impossible to separate her from her sister and the other girls I found. They all spoke different languages and stuck together very closely as a sort of security blanket. Some of them barely spoke English (which is sexy to me). So I just made sure that she knew that we were going to hang out again, and that because I had called her, now it was her turn to call me and make plans.

Again, as in my other reports, I left out a lot because I am so damn longwinded but there you have it (sorry again about the length of this FR). I don’t need a ton of advice on opening or closing but I do need advice on the middle of the sarge. I need more sequences and tactics to employ. Even though it is going awesome with this chick so far, I know that I can always improve. Let me know what you guys think. I value all of your opinions and have already learned a lot form you guys. - ULTRA

[ULTRA]

any advice guys?

[quipster]

Like you mention you needed to isolate your target. Why were the logistic so bad? Maybe naming the venue would help me understand. You said they were close etc.etc. but you also said her sister liked you and were worthy. To me that is code meaning "we all agree that you can seduce my sister" and so you should make a reason up to isolate the target. It looks like you already know lots of little games/routines to run. I wouldnt run too many, you do not want to come across as an entertainer, you want to be a seducer right

-quip

[ULTRA]

well the main problem is that my Target and her friends barely speak english (which is awsome in my book). The target wont go anywhere with out them because she get nervious about being lost in the big city (washington DC) with out someone who speakes her language. I have tlaked to her since I wrote this FR and she is warming up to it now. SHe has only been int the US for a few weeks so I jjut think she is overwhelmed. I am going to meet up with her this weekend and try a K- close at least. ill let you know... -ULTRA

[Tribulus1000]

First, Congratulations for getting out of the house and opening and getting IOI's!
Great job.

Your first sticking point that I see is pick a target. You are aware of this and as you say, you don't want to ping pong. You are not alone and this is a common sticking point.

But I gotta take issue with that one. Pick a target, but opening different sets and actually merging them (where you introduce them) is called "Advanced Group Tactics" and is advanced level stuff.

So my advice on that one is to continue to ping pong but keep it fixed in your mind who you want, your target in other words.

Remember also that you need some social proof from other females and even guys to get the other girls to see you having fun and talking to people.

On to the girl in the FR,
Ok so you were doing fine despite the language barrier.

You got IOI's and you have a good way to "save her" from the other AMOGs. Good job.

The next step would be some kind of qualification (A3)
"What do you have going on for you other than your looks?"
"What attracted you to America and what do you like about Americans?"
"What are your talents?"

And another way to do this is to make a statement.

"I like girls who are smart." And shut up. Let her tell you she's smart.
Or "I like Irish girls."

So she should begin explaining how she's smart or has more going on for her.

Next you need to Isolate.

Isolate is key. The foreign girls hanging together as a United Nations Project?

Take em all to a quiet area. Just moving a girl helps immensely. They're wired differeently than us.

Isolation/Move statements include:
"Let's go meet my friends"
"I want to show you something really cool...not here."
"I need to smoke, come with me." (If you smoke).

It can be any excuse to get her to come with you.

One thing I learned from an interview series was to put her arm on yours and just leave it there for a minute.
Works two ways:
1. Its an IOI test. Does she pull it away or does it stay?
2. Its also a way to isolate! As long as you have her arm, you can take her with you.

"Let's go over here, I want to show you something really cool...." (Her arm in yours as you both get up and move to sit down)

Lastly,
You had walned them to their car. I think you should have tried a car tactic like jumping in the car with them and saying "take me to my car, I'm parked over there."
And then saying "Let's go to Denny's or IHOP" when you're in the car. Or the bait "What's on the agenda for later?"

Hope this helps

[ULTRA]

Wow. yea your post does help alot. I am especially interested in the Merging of sets. I sapose that I have actually done that before I jsut didnt relize it. that is interesting. I never really thoguth of that as a way to show socail proof.

Also The Isolation tactics as well. the particaulr palce we re were at did not really have any place to isolate to. (it was jsut an unusual bar) But next time I will try some of those. LOL that chick just sent me an IM as I was writing this. Weird Thanks!!! - ULTRA