Ker Plunk!

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So I emailed this 22 yr old chick that I've been out with once before in a group of common friends but I wasn't in a position to seduce her at that time. Soooo I asked her out for coffee via email since I didn't have her phone number. Here is the response. I wouldn't mind the opportunity to seduce her, but is it possible? If I accept this then I accept her frame that it's strictly platonic which I don't want to do. Should I leave it alone, or should I at least give it a shot? (She's an 8.5 ~)


> "Hi Steve! First, I feel like I should let you know that I am
> not looking for a relationship right now. If you're cool with
> that, then I'd love to go out for coffee as friends.
> Unfortunately, my schedule is pretty hectic at the moment. I
> am off of work next Friday (May 6th), so if you're available
> then, let me know. Late morning/early afternoon works best for
> me. If not, then I guess I'll see you at whatever the next
> Meet-up function is."

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Ouch. She already disqualified you before you even had a chance to game her..

Personally, I would not go on the coffee date with her because as you said, you would be in the frame as just friends. If you are in this frame with her and try to game or seduce her, you'll definitely come off as creepy (in most cases, unless you have excellent game--as most know how difficult it is to get out of the friend zone).

I would respond with somethng along the lines of, "Well, I have soft plans with a friend that Friday, I'll let you know if something changes...blah, blah blah." and then, don't go on the coffee date with her, unless you want to be friends.

you don't accept her frame (as just a friend) but you also don't come off as needy guy wanting a relationship. Then at future meet-up events, you can game her and try to spark attraction (while acting indifferent and aloof). Focus on attraction game with her as you need to generate a ton of attraction for her to see you as a potential mate...

Or...

You can go on the coffee date, befriend her and then use her as a pawn to game her friends. Hot girls usually have hot friends...

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Good points Prodigy, and based off that this is what I was thinking. I want to split the difference. I don't want to accept her frame, and I want to suggest one of my own. On one hand I want to hold out the possibility of gaming her, and on the other hand draw her in as a potential friend. I sent this reply off a little bit ago.

[QUOTE]
Hi (HB8),

Right now I have soft plans on that Friday with several of my friends so
I'll have to get back to you. Let me get your phone number and I will
give you a call to let you know.

On the relationship side of things, I know where you are right now, and
I respect that. I think we could hang out, go steal garden gnomes, or
perform other minor acts of vandalism. We'll have great fun. Meeting Ms.
Right (Or in your case, Mr. Right) will attend to itself.

-S

P.S. You do like stealing Garden Gnomes don't you?
[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Prodigy;40928]
Or...

You can go on the coffee date, befriend her and then use her as a pawn to game her friends. Hot girls usually have hot friends...[/QUOTE]

This was my train of thought as well. a pivot willing or not is the most effective tool in your belt. The added benefit to taking a girl that has put you in the friend zone out to social venues and using her to demonstrate social proof to other girls you are gaming is that it gives her a chance to see you in your most attractive light(charming other women) and there is a strong chance she will eventually be into you. Burn no bridge. Be confident enough to be just friends with a girl especially if she is attractive. Will other girls you meet think what a loser he probably struck out with this hot girl(s) he is always hanging out with? No they will assume you date several other attractive women even if you divulge the truth that you are in fact just friends. The way you see yourself(defeated, accepting the lbjf silver medal) is way different then the way outsiders will see you.

I always think hanging out with an attractive girl is in your best interest even if she is not into you. But that is just my take. I would go on the coffee date, with intentions of befriending her.

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I'd go out on the coffee date. Without an agenda. I'd probably suggest a couple days besides the Friday she suggested though.

Less is more, so no need to explain your position on relationships.

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Normally, I'd say that women have no place in my life besides having a handful of tight, wet holes that I get to fuck from time to time. But, I'm starting to think a little differently these days. It's not so bad having a chick, that's a friend AND is hot, in proximity to you. It just makes you look all that much better. Just be sure to not pay for her shit and you're good to go...

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A couple of thoughts... having a hot girl that is a friend is not a bad thing for a few reasons...
- elevates you to other woman when you walk into a place with her
- girls that are cool can make great wings. Nothing disarms a grenade faster than another girl
- hot girls often have hot friends... great pivot spot
- F.T.F.
- there is something special about drinks bought by some tool for your hot friend that end up in your gullet

Bull Run... are you maturing on us?

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Haha.. I'd be laughing that she felt it was necessary to let me know she wasn't looking for a relationship.

My honest guess is shes already happily boning someone and def giving you the stiff arm. She's putting you in a slot and you have to shake up her frame. Do that by letting her know in a subtle way that maybe you didn't have any interest in her.

I think I'd have to bust her ass about assuming I was looking for a relationship. (Unless of course you already qualified yourself that way personally or through someone else). I would be like... okaaaaaay.... mmmm, I wasn't asking you out. Haha.. do you assume every time a guy asks you to coffee he has a motive? Laugh.. and say actually I do. I was wanting to ask you about that blond girl...

I would friend zone her hard and play the I'm super fun guy with her and when that guard flew down she would be wondering how I had her naked on her back.

Of course maybe she doesn't want a relationship and she schedules her sex too? LAWL

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[QUOTE=bigdprince]Haha.. I'd be laughing that she felt it was necessary to let me know she wasn't looking for a relationship.

My honest guess is shes already happily boning someone and def giving you the stiff arm. She's putting you in a slot and you have to shake up her frame. Do that by letting her know in a subtle way that maybe you didn't have any interest in her.

I think I'd have to bust her ass about assuming I was looking for a relationship. (Unless of course you already qualified yourself that way personally or through someone else). I would be like... okaaaaaay.... mmmm, I wasn't asking you out. Haha.. do you assume every time a guy asks you to coffee he has a motive? Laugh.. and say actually I do. I was wanting to ask you about that blond girl...

I would friend zone her hard and play the I'm super fun guy with her and when that guard flew down she would be wondering how I had her naked on her back.

Of course maybe she doesn't want a relationship and she schedules her sex too? LAWL [/QUOTE]

I was going to ask..."Who the fuck are you?!" but then I realized how pointless that was. The only relevant question is.. Why are you cluttering my old threads with crap?

WTF?

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Word. Perhaps it was crap to being with..