Weekend FR

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I had the most fun weekend I've had in a while, and made some extremely good progress from where I've been for the past 4 months. I'm going to try and make a FR for Thurs-Sun, and hopefully sort out where I need improvement.

[B]Thursday:[/B]

Thursday I went out bar-hopping with some co-workers getting ridiculously smashed. Did not expect a sarge session until later in the evening when I remarked to one of the male co-workers in the group about the abundance of good-looking girls we'd been spotting from bar to bar.

We ended up at this one bar where I started getting into it. My tactic was to open a girl, have a good positive (but short) interaction, and then disengage. Then later on re-open. It's like guerilla warfare in Vietnam: attack, retreat, attack, retreat until you wear your opponent down. This has worked for me in the past, but time and logistics are often an important factor.

I tried this on my first target with no success. Retreated once, but upon my return she was with another guy. Her mood had changed a bit and suddenly she tried to set an "impress me" frame, as though I had to compete with this guy over her. There were so many other targets, I decided it wasn't worth it, and I disengaged to meet other people.

I moved on to my second target, which is where things got interesting. HBglasses, we'll call her, and she was surrounded by a group of guys all vying for her affection. It'll be hard for me to describe what I did, but I made eye contact with her a couple times and gave a quick smirk and roll of the eyes. It was essentially a neg, that I believe conveyed that I was making fun of her in my head, or too cool for her. It worked a charm, and within a few minutes she left her group to come open me. It's something I've toyed with before in the past, but not something I think I have a full grasp of. I can't turn it on automatically yet. I think it was largely effective because I was in a high state of emotions at the time.

HBglasses and I started making out pretty hot and heavy within minutes of meeting. I kept stopping to get her feet back on the ground and run some comfort, but it was difficult to do. Within that time I did learn a lot about her -- where she leaves, what other countries she's lived in, where she plans on going to school very shortly, but not enough to gain what I felt would be sufficient rapport, and this is one of my sticking points when I get into these instant make-out sessions at bars. Even though I may not have had enough rapport, I do think I tried harder than usual and got farther along in getting it. She took down my number and ran off to find her friends. I wandered around for a bit until I bumped into her again. We made out for a really long time in literally every corner of the bar. Eventually her friends came by and dragged her away. I never got a chance to meet any of them.

After that I went home. She sent me a good night text, and I saved her number. Unfortunately, I can't remember her name. I texted back and forth with her for a bit the next day, but I don't know if anything will come out of it, because of the comfort issue. I'm also tempted to next her based on the fact that she's 12 years younger than me.

More to come....

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Communicating through the use of body language/facial expressions is very powerful. I like to try to get some kind of interraction like that before I open. I find my sets always go alot better when I've coded with them nonverbally in some way. Kicking off with a mutual flirtatious exchange is always a great frame to begin with.
I'm curious tho... Why did you make out with her soo much? Although it won't necessarily spoil your game, I find, it can be more of a challenge to build comfort if a publicly aggressive makeout occurs the first time two people meet.
The next day she's thinking uhhh ya this guy probably thinks he can fuck me... If she's a slut then it may not matter as much, but you won't know if shes a slut upon initial opening. It can also drastically reduce your chances of being able to close any high value chic in the venue that saw you do that.

Try asking her to text you the correct spelling of her first and last name. She should send it no problem.

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Names are overrated. Just give her a nickname, or several, and use those to address her. Makes her feel that you're confident and comfortable enough to address her in a more fun and intimate way.

Even if I know a girl's name I rarely, if ever, use it...

Having said that, Carnal's line should work no problem.

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[QUOTE=Carnal;38714]
I'm curious tho... Why did you make out with her soo much? Although it won't necessarily spoil your game, I find, it can be more of a challenge to build comfort if a publicly aggressive makeout occurs the first time two people meet.
The next day she's thinking uhhh ya this guy probably thinks he can fuck me...
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I'm well aware of all this, which is why it's sticking point for me. I can't answer your question other than to say it's a fun and exhilarating thing to do in the moment, and even though it may obliterate my chances with the girl, it's something I never regret doing on a personal level.

[QUOTE=Carnal;38714]
It can also drastically reduce your chances of being able to close any high value chic in the venue that saw you do that.
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This I'm curious about. I've found the opposite to be true, but I'd like to hear your side of the argument, as you probably have more experience than I do.

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[B]Friday:[/B]

Friday I had a buddy of mine (not in the community) who was feeling down because his ex-girlfriend, who he is still stuck on, had started dating his boss, and his boss is a married man. I went out with the intention of getting him out to have a good time, and taking him to a place where they wouldn't run into each other, as the night before they had run into each other and things had gotten ugly.

We went out to a bar and we were having some beers when a group of girls came in, a set of 4. I knew one of the girls in the set, so they were easy for us to open. They were later on joined by two more girls. This presented a challenge for me in that I never choose a single target and let fate dictate which girl in a set I end up with. Not all the girls in the group were very attractive, and I had to share with my friend, so we both picked a girl each we were interested in, and focused on her.

I had made a good enough impression on my target when we were introduced, and immediately she was being hit on by a few other guys at the venue. I decided it would be better to hang back and bide my time before I decided to truly zero in on her. I decided instead to win over the group, and engaged heavily with nearly all of them but her, sometimes in small groups, other times one on one, little by little gaining their approval.

My friend isolated his target much quicker than I did, and I popped in from time to time to DHV him. My friend has a very interesting job that provides him with a lot of great stories, so my role was to occasionally chime in and remind him of some of them. I'd say, "Remember that time you....etc...." and then he'd start on the story. He had the girl eating out of his hand as far as I could tell, and at the end of the night he managed to get her number, which made me very happy.

Eventually I re-opened my target. There was another guy talking to her, and positioned myself between the two of them, leaning against the wall with very relaxed BL. While the guy kept trying to qualify himself, I tried instead to disqualify myself. For instance, at one point she told me one of her favorite bands, and I said, " You like them? I don't know if we could be friends then." This had her immediately qualifying herself to me with "Yes we can!"

This repeated tactic was enough to blow the guy out of the water. I had a good interaction with my target and I was the center of the group's attention, but I never managed to isolate my target. Unfortunately, we had to leave abruptly because my friend's ex's brothers came into the bar, and because they were out without her, he was sure she was hanging out with his boss, which automatically put him in a bad mood again. I knew where all the girls, including my target, were going to be hanging out the next night, so I wasn't too worried about number closing, especially since they are part of my social circle, and I will surely run into my target again.

I felt good about the little I had accomplished that night, a big improvement from recent sarge attempts, but ultimately, my friend's somber mood, and my inability to close put a bit of a dark cloud over the evening.

More to come....

[Guest]

I just have to compliment you on your nice wing-man ship skills.

I'm big on winging, I always like to isolate the obstacles and make it so that they are facing AWAY from my buddies target so they can't girl code each other. I just run routine after routine and hell even make up some more shit while I'm there.

Good progress man.

As far as the making out -- I've had that happen to me a few times and I always try to slow it down: "You are soo bad... We should really stop doing this" *kiss her really good for another 10 secs* and then pull away and run game on her like normal. And spread the makeouts in when you have nothing to talk about. Works a lot better and you will get both the comfort AND the make out.

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[QUOTE=Fuzz;38718]Friday I had a buddy of mine (not in the community) who was feeling down because his ex-girlfriend, who he is still stuck on, had started dating his boss, and his boss is a married man.[/QUOTE]


Makes you wonder if she was fucking this dude while she was with your friend.

Good FR.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;38720]Makes you wonder if she was fucking this dude while she was with your friend.
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Well, he introduced them only recently, but he's been working at this job for a few years now. He tells me that she is constantly falling for guys who are taken, though, even though she supposedly always ends up regretting it.

Also, I may have underestimated my level of comfort with make-out girl. We're in the middle of a nice text conversation. But, oh, the age difference!

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[B]Saturday:[/B]

Probably my best day of the weekend. I meet up with a friend of mine (not part of the community, nor a natural, but has good looks on his side) late in the afternoon to visit some art galleries before heading out to some clubs and bars for the evening. We both make a pact to get laid that night.

First we went to a restaurant for some lunch, where some waitress remarked about my sad expression. Maybe I was still a little sad about the night before, and other stuff going on in my life, but I honestly didn't realize I had been projecting it. Also, based on my success Thursday evening, I remembered how important a good smirk or smile can be toward one's game. For the rest of the day, I forced myself to smile madly with my sarcastic smirk until my emotional state naturally escalated.

The gallery hopping was only a warm up, and I opened a lot of girls and practiced flirting with them, not trying to make anything stick, but just trying to get myself in a good state. At one point while my friend was in the restroom, I opened this cute punk rock girl. "Where'd you get the beer?" I asked to open her, and soon enough she was offering me one, making the guy she was with yell, "you just gave our last beer away to a stranger?" "Yeah," she smirked. We talked for a bit before I moved on with my buddy. We also both opened a beautiful gallery assistant, who started off trying to tell us about the works of art, but we successfully derailed the conversation into more flirty material. Eventually, her boss put her back to work, moving stuff in and out of the back room.

We headed to my friends house for a bit where we picked up my friend's female roommate, who I thought might make for a good pivot, then we headed out to a nightclub. We danced around for a bit, and the energy level remained high even though I don't remember opening anyone there. The next stop was a small cafe where I opened the owner, a cute Mexican, and tried to get a conversation started with two blonde servers, only one of which really replied positively. Unfortunately they were busy at work, so I this interaction didn't go anywhere.

The next stop of the evening is the nightclub where I knew my target from the night before (we'll call her HBtarget) was going to be headed to with her friends. Our friend was djing, and we went up to the dj booth to say hi. There he introduced me to this brunette with a very nice ass. We'll call her HBniceass. Me and my friend were on the dance floor and one really hot girl kept dancing closer and closer within our proximity. I had a feeling that she wanted to be opened. I explained this to my friend, and let him have at it. While they were talking/dancing, I sat down on a couch next to HBniceass and started talking to her. Turns out she is traveling into town from LA, so we talked about that for a while, then I disengaged to go to the bathroom.

I was staled a little bit on my way to the bathroom, running into HBtarget and all her friends who had just arrived. I greeted them all and made my way to the line forming near the bathroom. When I turned around, who was there but HBniceass, who re-opened me. Had she seen me greeting HBtarget and friends?

After going to the bathroom, I mingled from crowd to crowd of people. Eventually I went back to talking to my dj friend, who had just finished his set. He was standing over HBniceass, who sat on couch beneath him, looking bored. I actively ignored her for a bit, then sat down next to her to talk some more. She invited me to dance, and I did for a bit, then we sat back down on the couch.

HBniceass had arrived to the club with my dj friend and his bf, and she was their ride. When I finally went in for the kiss, she apprehensively kissed back and then stopped me. She didn't want her friends to see her making out with me. She had to take them both home, because some sort of drama between the two had developed, but she took down my number, and promised to return to the club after she had done so. I said goodbye to the group, and gave her a knowing wink, as they left.

I went to hang out with HBtarget instead. This interaction went well. I tested her compliance, by periodically grabbing the pint glass out of her hand and taking big gulps of the beer her hard-earned money paid for. Each time I did it, she had a smiling/shocked expression and said "Oh my God," in a flirty surprised tone.

A big crowd of us went outside, when HBniceass called to say she was on her way back. The group were bouncing to the next location, but I was walking distance from home, so I decided to disengage from the group and wait for HBniceass. When she arrived I took her home. We fooled around a bunch that night, and in the morning I F-closed. Apparently my fried also got a bj that night.

More to come....

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[B]Sunday:[/B]

I went out with two friends of mine (gf and bf couple) and one of their friends who I had never met before. She picked up the two of them, and then they picked me up at my place to go out bar hopping and singing karaoke.

This couple, in the past have tried to set me up with women before, without telling me upfront, but I'm not sure if this was one of those occasions. I don't have much experience dating within my social circle, always preferring instead to venture out and meet new people who are complete strangers to everyone I know. When I've dabbled in it, I've always had trouble maintaining a balance between generating attraction through the kind of flirty behavior that gets you girls in high-energy situations and seeming like the creep who comes on to everyone.

I decided to play it cool with this one. At first I asked the girl (we'll call her HBAustin, because she's originally from from Austin) how she knew my friends, and found out we had another mutual friend in common. Once we got to the first bar, though, the group split a little bit and it was me talking to my guy friend, and HBAustin talking to the girl. I was tempted to open up some women for social proof, but stupidly waited for too long. Also, I'm not sure how effective this would have been.

We hopped to the next bar, and I semi-isolted HBAustin. Here I should've probably tried generating comfort, but instead I negged her about biting her nails, which she did a lot, and I went into this cocky sort of role that I didn't let up for the entire night, and might be something that turned her off.

If that's the case, then things definitely got worse when we arrived at the karaoke bar. Usually when, I go karaoke singing with these two friends, we often try and do the most over-the-top renditions of songs, with each one of us trying to one-up the next, sometimes ending with people getting thrown out. My song had me jumping on couches and getting in strangers' faces, but I was the life of the party and got lots of compliments and high-fives throughout the bar. Ultimately, this probably came across as try-hard in her eyes, and the fact that me and my guy friend were in full-on macho brag mode probably didn't help things much.

Also, I probably ignored her too much throughout the course of the evening. I guess I was more focused on trying to have a good time, but there was definitely a missed opportunity here. Not sure what I could have done differently except talked to her more, generated some comfort, and reigned in the cockiness a bit. Also, she wasn't drinking at all that night, and the three of us were, so that could've been a factor.

After we sang, she dropped me off at my apartment, and they all went home. I had fun, but was unable to do anything to help out my game.