This weekend I went home to celebrate my bday with family and friends and also to attend one of my ex's wedding. This presented me with some opportunities to sarge and so I did. I actually made more strides in my DIRECT game and learned a lot more about myself in doing so. I also found my INDIRECT game to be severely limiting due to my inability to DHV through storytelling or routines. I really feel that I can DHV when I go more DIRECT but when I go INDIRECT, i need to have some weapons to INDIRECTLY DHV myself and FIND a way to bait my targets to give me IOIs. I feel really lost in doing so...anyways, enough of the rant. Below are my reports.
[B]Saturday Night @ Rok Bar Okc (loud dance club)[/B]
[U][I]INDIRECT approaches[/I][/U]
I opened up at least 4 sets using INDIRECT approach and most of the sets were 4 to 5 females and one set was a 2-set all female pair. The first set i entered, I didn't even bother looking at the gals at the table and
just wanted to open to start out strong and I opened them by myself with an opinion opener but only the 2 closest out of the 5 girls could hear me in that loud ass club. And they were receptive and I even think
I got nonverbal IOIs from the cougar to my left but I was ready to eject and move on to different sets.
I won't post individually on all the sets because I feel like I reach the same social hook point in all of them and unable to keep the action going with more material. I did attack mostly set with HB9+ and I did so
armed with 2 cute HB7 PIVOTS (my brother's gf and my buddy's gf) on my arms. And that is proof that the sets opened up a lot easier and more warmly as all focus was on me and my girls and I'm sure that was a DHV and an immediate non threatening gesture. However, after all the quick banter of the opener, opinions are shared, we all eject out. haha I'm getting tired of this! can you tell? I need to do something so where I can quickly garner IOI's and Kino escalate. As a matter of fact, one of my wings was telling me in one of the sets, the tallest and prettiest girl was giving me IOIs and said that she was checking me out off and on as I was in different areas of the club. So I tried to make my way to her and use the tip of my pivot to tell her to come meet the rest of my friends and attempt to bounce her and she said "okay..maybe later." and I knew in the back of my mind it was 90% game over..but I said what the heck....20-30 mins later after gaming other sets, i returned to her to try to bounce and kinoed her on her arm gently and she said "maybe later.." I threw in the towel at that point. =)
[I][U]DIRECT approach[/U][/I]
I got tired of my indirect game and wanted to have some fun with my direct game before the night was over so I walked over the area where I saw the crowd hovering around some breakdancers and I was marveled myself but across the crowd, I spotted a sexy HB7 latina with like 4 of her friends and I don't hestitate. I walk over and tell her right in her ear while kinoing her back "You're absolutely beautiful and I knew I had to talk to you. My name's _______" and shake her hand and she tells me her name is "Alexia" and smiles. *IOI* bingo, I'm in. I tell her to introduce me to her friends and she says "they're not my friends, they're my family!" " i was like nice..nothign says family fun night like a night here" and she giggles and introduces me to her sister.. .i walk up to her sister, smile, shake her hand and tell her "i thought your sister was really beautiful and i want to talk to her, i'm going to take her over there *points to couches in the corner* and will bring her back safely to you in a little bit..is that okay? she said "yes *smiles* that's okay with me and I look back to my target and tell her "your sister is okay with us talking for a little bit and meeting my friends" and target says "can i bring my sister?" i said "of course" i lift both of my arms up and tell them to grab on and follow me... we make our way back to the VIP area and i quickly qualify her, kino her while she's sitting with me and also engaging her older sister . We all build rapport/comfort and I introduce them to one of my best friends who is a local celebrity (and gay) and whisper in his ear to have him entertain the older sister (who is married anyways) while I banter with the HB7 latina. She asks for my age and I tell her but she doesn't believe me and she asks for my license and I said, what do I get if i'm right? She says "you get my trust." I say "you can do better. You can give me a kiss on the cheek." She immediately smiles and says "noooo! *smile*" and after about 20 mins or so, she says that her and her sister better get back to the group because they dont' want to leave their group for too long and i said "that's cool...i'm goin to rejoin my friends as well and will come back to see you in a bit and she smiled and acknowledged giving me the green light. I could have # closed at that point but I chose not to until later. So later on in the night, my friends say we are leaving and so I went back to hb7 latina and tell her i'm about to leave but i'd love to hang out again. She offered her number and i dialed it immediately on the spot so that she could have mine..but it was the WRONG number LOL. I told her she gave me the wrong number (honest mistake off by 1 digit) so she offered to take my number and dial it...There we had the number exchange. And while we were doing that, one of her cousins whipped her camera out and told me and HB7 latina to pose together for a photo and i offered my camera phone for a picture as well. I told them I charge for my pictures and they laughed. I told hb7 latina "it'll cost you a kiss" and pointed to my cheek and she kissed me in front of all her family. I made a point to stick around for another 15 mins after the number close to build more rapport her family and they all seem cool and like me. Then HB7 latina sees me being friendly with some dude that just walked into the club and she says "you're really social and friendly with EVERYONE, aren't you?" I said "yes of course, don't you like the way i treat you?" "she smiled and kissed me on the cheek again" I hugged her and told her i will see her again in maybe a week and that I will call her or text her with details.
[U][I]Sunday Wedding Day[/I][/U]
In the middle of the reception, everyone sitting at their designated tables, I spot the prettiest girl HB8 brunette and noticed she was with an older couple (and assumed it was her parents). So I walk over and and go DIRECT and I kneel down to her level (she's sitting on the left of me) and tell her "hi. I'm ____ and I was admiring you from over at my table. You're very pretty and I wanted to come and talk to you." Man her smile was so gold...it warmed me up for the rest and she said "thank you my name is Brittany" and I said "Well bRittany, are these your parents?" She said "yes" so i turned to my right and greeted them and told them "i think your daughter is very cute, would it be alright with you guys if i talk to her? i'd like to have a dance with her as well =) " They were very receptive and her mom told me happy birthday since i told them i was celebrating yesterday with friends and family and she asked me how old i was and i told them "well how old do i look? *smile8" and they both said "22--23 at the most" and I hugged her mom and said "your mom is cool..i will take that"..and i also built rapport with them to let them know that the bride and i dated for a few years. and gave me the green light so i told her "i will come get you for a dance in a little while, ok?" and she agreed. This wedding played mostly hip hop and upbeat songs but "My Girl" by the Temptations came on and I looked at her and she looked at me and I said "let's go..this is our song" she smiled and said "i love this song...." and we made our way to the dance floor for some light conversation, kino, and me telling her "i don't think this would work out since you look awfully young and we'd prollly have nothing to talk about and she said "oh age is just a number and we will find plenty to talk about and smiled at me" i was like "okay =) we will just have to see..." and after the song was over i took her hand and said "let's go outside and talk" and she said "okay..." we went out where there was a couch and i sat and built comfort with her asking her about her dreams, hobbies, qualifying her on whether she can cook and what she can cook and teasing her and then i told her about some plans next week for a bday party for one of my friends and said that she should come out and hang with us and she said "i would like that." i didn't # close again immediately because her dad came back outside and saw us and said "hey guys they're about to CUT the cake" and i said "we better go and we can talk in a little while" ...after the stuffing ourselves with cake and getting ready to leave, i greeted her parents goodbye and told her to come outside again and my best friend took a photo of us and asked her again to come hang with us and she said.."that sounds like fun..." so i said "okay give me your # and i will call you so you can have mine" her phone was in the banquet room in her purse so i just let it ring for a little while. Then i told her well i better going going..it was nice meeting you and i will call you during the week to set it all up and she said "okay that's great and it was nice meeting you and it was fun dancing with you. *smile*" haha this girl was literally making me melt.
anyways, i texted her and *didn't call her* the same night and asked her if she was listening to my best friend's radio show that night because that came up during conversation that she loves his show but she never replied and I'm wondering if i should leave it at that because I swear i had all the IOI's up the wazoo that day and I woudln't know why she wouldn't respond to a simple text like that. Help me out brothas....
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weekend 12/5-12/6 infield report (please critique)
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by Guest » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:59 pm
On the wedding day, I think you did well. You DHV'd by simply going direct. You DHV'd by doing it in front of her parents and winning them over. You qualified. Seems solid.
You made it seem like she was young. Maybe she is doing stupid shit where she thinks "you wait 3 days before responding". I would wait a little before texting her again if you don't receive a response.
You made it seem like she was young. Maybe she is doing stupid shit where she thinks "you wait 3 days before responding". I would wait a little before texting her again if you don't receive a response.
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by Guest » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:43 am
Age of Wedding Girl?
You may have a knack for running direct. That is excellent. It might also be the reason you are not succeeding with indirect. You are coming off as in-congruent when you run indirect. It is also a confidence thing. When I hear you talk about direct you sound very confident. You write as if you already know the next step. When you write about indirect you speak as if you don't even know how to talk.
Why are you so eloquent when you run direct, but when you go indirect you fumble?(Rhetorical Question)
For the most part direct and indirect lead to the exact same place. I think you are failing to see this. With direct you get to sorta pass go and collect $200 right away. That is why I prefer it because I am impatient. With indirect you have to sorta beat around the bush not letting your true intentions known. That is why it is so powerful. But at some point your true intentions must be known, because if they aren't well...bad things will happen.
Your congruency with direct game allows you to segway correctly and that is why you have success.
Your Direct Game: Hi Girl, I like you. You are sexy and I am gonna get to know you. Fuck it is loud in here come over here so I can seduce you and charm you with my special powers.
Your indirect game: Hey guys, I am a nobody. I just want to talk with you guys because I lead a boring life and you look fun. Umm...hrmm...well I guess that is all. OOK BYE
I am not trying to mock you there. But seriously those are your two styles from what I have read. Why do you think you have had zero success with indirect. Because that is Fucking Boring as hell. Girls go out and as much as they hate getting hit on over and over...ohh you are so beautiful bullshit they want it. They just want it from the correct guy. Your indirect game doesn't seem to have a hook. I am failing to see one mention that you hooked the set in any manner. It just sorta trails off and falls flat.
Why are you hooking so hard with direct and falling flat on your face with indirect?(Rhetorical Question)
My advice would be to continue taking a licking with indirect. I am not saying don't switch it up like you are and run direct on occasion. That is just fine. I am saying stick with indirect because IMO you can't always go direct, and I think having indirect as your bottom rung helps you with direct. *Plus this way you can have a hybrid style of direct disguised as indirect as I hint at right below this sentence.*
One more thing I want to mention before I quit this long boring rant.
When you run direct it doesn't always have to be: Hi, You are beautiful. I admired you from over there and knew I had to meet you. My name is:
The reason I don't really like that kind of direct is because she hears that same shit all night. If it is a HB7 fine go for it. If you ever want to start crossing into the 8's and above I think you need to elevate your direct game.
You can be direct in other manners that doesn't lead to a compliment right out the gate, or the whole night.
You may have a knack for running direct. That is excellent. It might also be the reason you are not succeeding with indirect. You are coming off as in-congruent when you run indirect. It is also a confidence thing. When I hear you talk about direct you sound very confident. You write as if you already know the next step. When you write about indirect you speak as if you don't even know how to talk.
Why are you so eloquent when you run direct, but when you go indirect you fumble?(Rhetorical Question)
For the most part direct and indirect lead to the exact same place. I think you are failing to see this. With direct you get to sorta pass go and collect $200 right away. That is why I prefer it because I am impatient. With indirect you have to sorta beat around the bush not letting your true intentions known. That is why it is so powerful. But at some point your true intentions must be known, because if they aren't well...bad things will happen.
Your congruency with direct game allows you to segway correctly and that is why you have success.
Your Direct Game: Hi Girl, I like you. You are sexy and I am gonna get to know you. Fuck it is loud in here come over here so I can seduce you and charm you with my special powers.
Your indirect game: Hey guys, I am a nobody. I just want to talk with you guys because I lead a boring life and you look fun. Umm...hrmm...well I guess that is all. OOK BYE
I am not trying to mock you there. But seriously those are your two styles from what I have read. Why do you think you have had zero success with indirect. Because that is Fucking Boring as hell. Girls go out and as much as they hate getting hit on over and over...ohh you are so beautiful bullshit they want it. They just want it from the correct guy. Your indirect game doesn't seem to have a hook. I am failing to see one mention that you hooked the set in any manner. It just sorta trails off and falls flat.
Why are you hooking so hard with direct and falling flat on your face with indirect?(Rhetorical Question)
My advice would be to continue taking a licking with indirect. I am not saying don't switch it up like you are and run direct on occasion. That is just fine. I am saying stick with indirect because IMO you can't always go direct, and I think having indirect as your bottom rung helps you with direct. *Plus this way you can have a hybrid style of direct disguised as indirect as I hint at right below this sentence.*
One more thing I want to mention before I quit this long boring rant.
When you run direct it doesn't always have to be: Hi, You are beautiful. I admired you from over there and knew I had to meet you. My name is:
The reason I don't really like that kind of direct is because she hears that same shit all night. If it is a HB7 fine go for it. If you ever want to start crossing into the 8's and above I think you need to elevate your direct game.
You can be direct in other manners that doesn't lead to a compliment right out the gate, or the whole night.
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by Guest » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:59 am
[QUOTE=sooners123;34069]On the wedding day, I think you did well. You DHV'd by simply going direct. You DHV'd by doing it in front of her parents and winning them over. You qualified. Seems solid.
You made it seem like she was young. Maybe she is doing stupid shit where she thinks "you wait 3 days before responding". I would wait a little before texting her again if you don't receive a response.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Sooners123. Yes, she is very young. I'm wondering if someone from my ex's family Charley Bravo'ed me....because I felt and my table felt that I ran complete game on her and I also felt we had a connection.
You made it seem like she was young. Maybe she is doing stupid shit where she thinks "you wait 3 days before responding". I would wait a little before texting her again if you don't receive a response.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Sooners123. Yes, she is very young. I'm wondering if someone from my ex's family Charley Bravo'ed me....because I felt and my table felt that I ran complete game on her and I also felt we had a connection.
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by Guest » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:11 am
[QUOTE=playercool;34075]Age of Wedding Girl?
[COLOR=green]Barely legal, playercool. But the conversation I had with her was more natural and flowing than a lot of the older women closer to my age..there's the oddness in that.[/COLOR]
You may have a knack for running direct. That is excellent. It might also be the reason you are not succeeding with indirect. You are coming off as in-congruent when you run indirect. It is also a confidence thing. When I hear you talk about direct you sound very confident. You write as if you already know the next step. When you write about indirect you speak as if you don't even know how to talk.
[COLOR=green]LOL you're absolutely right. :) I really don't know how to talk when it comes to INDIRECT. Do you know why I feel this way? It's because when I go DIRECT, I assume attraction and actually get attraction IOIs from my targets because I am rather decent looking and I was alpha when I approached them so I don't have to bait them for IOIs....whereas when I want to go INDIRECT, I am really running around in circles trying to bait them for IOIs before I can in turn give them IOIs. In Indirect, I know I'm not able to hit on them until they give me the green light because I came in under the radar in a non-threatening way. If I can only find the way to bait them to give me IOIs that would turn my INDIRECT game around and I would just continue to game them as I do with my DIRECT game. Do you understand what I mean? I may not be wording it the best....[/COLOR]
Why are you so eloquent when you run direct, but when you go indirect you fumble?(Rhetorical Question)
For the most part direct and indirect lead to the exact same place. I think you are failing to see this. With direct you get to sorta pass go and collect $200 right away. That is why I prefer it because I am impatient. With indirect you have to sorta beat around the bush not letting your true intentions known. That is why it is so powerful. But at some point your true intentions must be known, because if they aren't well...bad things will happen.
[COLOR=green] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=green]Exactly and I never get to that point anyways to be in LJBF zone. I always eject because my Indirect game doesn't go anywhere. I get no IOIs so it's a dead point.[/COLOR]
Your congruency with direct game allows you to segway correctly and that is why you have success.
Your Direct Game: Hi Girl, I like you. You are sexy and I am gonna get to know you. Fuck it is loud in here come over here so I can seduce you and charm you with my special powers.
Your indirect game: Hey guys, I am a nobody. I just want to talk with you guys because I lead a boring life and you look fun. Umm...hrmm...well I guess that is all. OOK BYE
I am not trying to mock you there. But seriously those are your two styles from what I have read. Why do you think you have had zero success with indirect. Because that is Fucking Boring as hell. Girls go out and as much as they hate getting hit on over and over...ohh you are so beautiful bullshit they want it. They just want it from the correct guy. Your indirect game doesn't seem to have a hook. I am failing to see one mention that you hooked the set in any manner. It just sorta trails off and falls flat.
[COLOR=green]Got some mojo you can arm me with so I can hook sets better via INDIRECT?[/COLOR]
Why are you hooking so hard with direct and falling flat on your face with indirect?(Rhetorical Question)
My advice would be to continue taking a licking with indirect. I am not saying don't switch it up like you are and run direct on occasion. That is just fine. I am saying stick with indirect because IMO you can't always go direct, and I think having indirect as your bottom rung helps you with direct. *Plus this way you can have a hybrid style of direct disguised as indirect as I hint at right below this sentence.*
[COLOR=green]I agree that I want INDIRECT game as a solid weapon under my belt because sometimes it's just best to go under the radar that's why I still continue to practice it but have plateaue'd rather quickly...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#008000][/COLOR]
One more thing I want to mention before I quit this long boring rant.
When you run direct it doesn't always have to be: Hi, You are beautiful. I admired you from over there and knew I had to meet you. My name is:
[COLOR=green]What are some other solid direct openers that you've utitlized in the past and present? I'm definitely looking to improve my DIRECT game as well and have options in my game.[/COLOR]
The reason I don't really like that kind of direct is because she hears that same shit all night. If it is a HB7 fine go for it. If you ever want to start crossing into the 8's and above I think you need to elevate your direct game.
[COLOR=green]Any examples of direct openers to be used on 8's and above? I'm seriously game for incorporating this into my game.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#008000][/COLOR]
You can be direct in other manners that doesn't lead to a compliment right out the gate, or the whole night.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=green]Thanks for the critique...I seriously need to do more homework in my INDIRECT game but I have high motivation to overcome this plateau. :)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=green]Barely legal, playercool. But the conversation I had with her was more natural and flowing than a lot of the older women closer to my age..there's the oddness in that.[/COLOR]
You may have a knack for running direct. That is excellent. It might also be the reason you are not succeeding with indirect. You are coming off as in-congruent when you run indirect. It is also a confidence thing. When I hear you talk about direct you sound very confident. You write as if you already know the next step. When you write about indirect you speak as if you don't even know how to talk.
[COLOR=green]LOL you're absolutely right. :) I really don't know how to talk when it comes to INDIRECT. Do you know why I feel this way? It's because when I go DIRECT, I assume attraction and actually get attraction IOIs from my targets because I am rather decent looking and I was alpha when I approached them so I don't have to bait them for IOIs....whereas when I want to go INDIRECT, I am really running around in circles trying to bait them for IOIs before I can in turn give them IOIs. In Indirect, I know I'm not able to hit on them until they give me the green light because I came in under the radar in a non-threatening way. If I can only find the way to bait them to give me IOIs that would turn my INDIRECT game around and I would just continue to game them as I do with my DIRECT game. Do you understand what I mean? I may not be wording it the best....[/COLOR]
Why are you so eloquent when you run direct, but when you go indirect you fumble?(Rhetorical Question)
For the most part direct and indirect lead to the exact same place. I think you are failing to see this. With direct you get to sorta pass go and collect $200 right away. That is why I prefer it because I am impatient. With indirect you have to sorta beat around the bush not letting your true intentions known. That is why it is so powerful. But at some point your true intentions must be known, because if they aren't well...bad things will happen.
[COLOR=green] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=green]Exactly and I never get to that point anyways to be in LJBF zone. I always eject because my Indirect game doesn't go anywhere. I get no IOIs so it's a dead point.[/COLOR]
Your congruency with direct game allows you to segway correctly and that is why you have success.
Your Direct Game: Hi Girl, I like you. You are sexy and I am gonna get to know you. Fuck it is loud in here come over here so I can seduce you and charm you with my special powers.
Your indirect game: Hey guys, I am a nobody. I just want to talk with you guys because I lead a boring life and you look fun. Umm...hrmm...well I guess that is all. OOK BYE
I am not trying to mock you there. But seriously those are your two styles from what I have read. Why do you think you have had zero success with indirect. Because that is Fucking Boring as hell. Girls go out and as much as they hate getting hit on over and over...ohh you are so beautiful bullshit they want it. They just want it from the correct guy. Your indirect game doesn't seem to have a hook. I am failing to see one mention that you hooked the set in any manner. It just sorta trails off and falls flat.
[COLOR=green]Got some mojo you can arm me with so I can hook sets better via INDIRECT?[/COLOR]
Why are you hooking so hard with direct and falling flat on your face with indirect?(Rhetorical Question)
My advice would be to continue taking a licking with indirect. I am not saying don't switch it up like you are and run direct on occasion. That is just fine. I am saying stick with indirect because IMO you can't always go direct, and I think having indirect as your bottom rung helps you with direct. *Plus this way you can have a hybrid style of direct disguised as indirect as I hint at right below this sentence.*
[COLOR=green]I agree that I want INDIRECT game as a solid weapon under my belt because sometimes it's just best to go under the radar that's why I still continue to practice it but have plateaue'd rather quickly...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#008000][/COLOR]
One more thing I want to mention before I quit this long boring rant.
When you run direct it doesn't always have to be: Hi, You are beautiful. I admired you from over there and knew I had to meet you. My name is:
[COLOR=green]What are some other solid direct openers that you've utitlized in the past and present? I'm definitely looking to improve my DIRECT game as well and have options in my game.[/COLOR]
The reason I don't really like that kind of direct is because she hears that same shit all night. If it is a HB7 fine go for it. If you ever want to start crossing into the 8's and above I think you need to elevate your direct game.
[COLOR=green]Any examples of direct openers to be used on 8's and above? I'm seriously game for incorporating this into my game.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#008000][/COLOR]
You can be direct in other manners that doesn't lead to a compliment right out the gate, or the whole night.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=green]Thanks for the critique...I seriously need to do more homework in my INDIRECT game but I have high motivation to overcome this plateau. :)[/COLOR]
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