Field Report- Never underestimate the power of honesty

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Twitchy- It's no problem.

I'd like to add another to perspective to the conversation based on one of Tyler Durden's classic writings, "The Secret Society".

[url]http://www.bristollair.com/inner-game/nature-and-reality/secret-society.html[/url]

In it he makes the point that young single women have more sex than young single men. Most people would typically guess the other way around or that it would be even. But not so. The reason this takes place is because there are certain men (alpha men) who women are drawn to. Obviously, if these men are sleeping with multiple women, it is not within the context of a relationship.

They women are fulfilling their sexual desires with men they are attracted to, but whom they know they will not be in a relationship with. They accept that these men sleep with other women and are even more attracted to them because they do.

In the words of...well someone smart...every hot chick has a dude she bangs on the side, which none of her friends know about. She wants sex, but she doesn't want to be judged as a slut. So she finds the unavailable alpha male to get off with.

Which brings me to the point being discussed in this thread. It is possible to be that alpha male chicks bang on the side, but this frame has to be set from the outset. If you go in and qualify to much, you'll set the expectation that she has earned a special place in your world. This will eventually lead to a let down as you slowly reveal to her that you're not interested in her in that way. To keep up the sex, you'll have to maintain the ruse that you may be interested in her.

What I have used in the past to avoid this path, is again the honest approach. After I open and build attraction, I don't go into comfort. Instead I'll use something like the following:

"You know, things are going pretty good in my life right now. I have a great job- love what I do. I've got great friends and we have a great time. Things are just pretty good right now. I'm not really at a point where I want to get into a relationship but you seem pretty cool and I'd like to hang out with you some time.

I've used this technique and it works as advertised. The chick appreciates your honesty- that you're not blowing sunshine up her ass (no pun intended). She knows what you want and she can make a decision if she wants to give it to you. If you've built up enough attraction, you can be one those guys she secretly fucks on the side. Execute with multiple women to assemble a harem. I believe this leads to the Hugh Hefner effect...

I've never tried social circle game, but based on what I've read the dynamics of what I've described probably wouldn't apply. The trick is for the chick to keep you a secret, something which probably wouldn't happen in social circles...

Leonydas

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Twitchy is the real deal. I've known Twitch since we were on the old Meetup.com message board and I've sarged with him several times.
When he says he fucks alot of chicks, you can believe it. He's got lots of posts and LRs to back it up.
I personally think he's a stand up kinda guy who is really good at social circle game.
As far as guys wanting to impress, I'd say he's really here to help. He's usually very generous with his material as well as taking new guys in the field.

He was kind enough to post his "Trade" post recently. You guys should maybe sarge together and learn eachother's style.
I'm sure Twitchy knows social circle better than anyone out there ...except maybe Adam London or Mr M?

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Thanks tribulus, no worries man - anyone can tell you that I can be a little blunt. I don't doubt that we will all get along.

Like i said i have nothing but respect for his answer to bull run and it's not my intention to attack anyone with that kind of character.

what i should have done in retrospect is instead of calling bullshit, just ask him instead to clarify some of the claims that have me a bit confused.

Probably it's just a disconnect between what I'm hearing and what Twitchy is actually trying to say.

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Thanks Trib! No worries Grimm. I am just taking an momentary break from a huge work deadline but wanted to post a thought.

leonydas, I believe what you posted is very close to the truth. I love that Tyler post and know that it is true. However, what it is lacking is personal branding and messaging. And maybe a couple of other things....

When women know that there is a quality guy who they can fuck, who will give them some much needed attention and who they don't have to worry about trying impress, drama, etc., they will jump on it. Assuming that their reputation won't be ruined.......

I rarely initiate sex any more. I have been trying to analyze what I do in this relm because I have repeated it several times so I know it is a process that can be described, I just have to find the right words and steps. On any given night, I get between 2 and 10 calls or texts from women wanting to fuck. Nothing else. Just come over, drink some wine and get freaky. Just tonight...."I am horny", "I am so horny I will let you take me up the ass", "When are you going to give me some attention?", "You free sometime this week for me to come over?"

Once you get "in", it just feeds upon itself. I have a lot of thoughts on this. I will post more soon so we can all play with my ideas and refine them.

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I don't need to vouch for Twitchy but I will anyway. He's good.

I also wanted to add something about social circle game, that I didn't see covered a whole lot.

You can only truly have 1 off the chain social circle.

What that means is that if you have a highly successful circle outside the community, then the community is just another circle outside that in which you already have. There is no mixing them.

If you mix them, you are putting your reputation on the line, and people just don't do that on a whim.

I've only known 2 people from this community that have an incredibly advanced outside social circle, and I can't say I blame them for being selective on who and when they choose to hang out with, from the community.

It's like taking your little brother or sister on a date with you, You just don't want to do it.

No offense to anyone in the community but we are all here because we lack something. Which means, that we have/had problems with the way we interact with society. Some of us had major issues, some minor. I myself, have a tendency to shoot myself in the foot more often than not.

I can't blame anyone for not wanting to take a chance with me.

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Finesse, I have a hard time following what you're saying. It doesn't mean I disagree, but it is interesting and I'll write some of my thoughts.

To sum up why we're all here, I think everyone has their own motivations for being here. Me, I continue on these boards because first of all, I like hanging out with a lot of the guys I hang out with. Second of all, I like going out to bars and picking up chicks on random Wednesday nights. It's fun for me. I like the challenge, I like the girls, I just enjoy doing it for its own sake. And when i meet a girl who's worth stopping for, I'll stop.

If I wanted to play basketball, I'd join a basketball league. Now I'm in a picking up chicks league. Sarging solo is boring, and why would I force my work friends or other friends to come do something they don't want/don't know how to do?

And I think a lot of these guys are cool enough to introduce to my friends, in fact I have, and I have met a lot of guys on this boards family and friends. I have nothing but respect for the people on this board man. Including you, you're a super cool guy.

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and ps, shooting the shit about pickup is hella fun too.