progress good. grunt.

[Kit]

Alright Lion and Bull Run, let me give you an example and think about it. I'm going trust you about being right in general with younger kids, but...

My mother used to always tell me to write letters to a woman. It was what her generation did. They rarely even got to talk on the phone. Growing up I used a phone and my mother said that was okay, but I should write a letter now and then and mail it to a girl I liked or hand it to her if I didn't have her address. I laughed it off because I thought she was out of touch. Then email came along, then text messages and we are getting further and further away from the days of writing letters and general courtship.

Let me give you a bit of advice that I learned after I matured. You see, there is no book, or DVD or MP3 stolen off Limewire that can replace maturity. You can't fake it either. When I matured a bit (took me a damn long time and I'm still working on it) I learned to listen a little closer to people who were older than me. It doesn't mean they are smarter but they may have something from life experience they can share with you.

If you ever get in a situation with a girl you love where nothing seems to be working with her, try writing her a letter, a long, handwritten and heart felt letter. You may be surprised with the result.

Technology changes the way we interact, but what women desire in the core of who they are remains a constant from generation to generation.

bah...alpha = man beta = power handball bottom pig

Shit man that makes a lot of fucking sense.

[Bull Run]

Alright Lion and Bull Run, let me give you an example and think about it. I'm going trust you about being right in general with younger kids, but...

My mother used to always tell me to write letters to a woman. It was what her generation did. They rarely even got to talk on the phone. Growing up I used a phone and my mother said that was okay, but I should write a letter now and then and mail it to a girl I liked or hand it to her if I didn't have her address. I laughed it off because I thought she was out of touch. Then email came along, then text messages and we are getting further and further away from the days of writing letters and general courtship.

Let me give you a bit of advice that I learned after I matured. You see, there is no book, or DVD or MP3 stolen off Limewire that can replace maturity. You can't fake it either. When I matured a bit (took me a damn long time and I'm still working on it) I learned to listen a little closer to people who were older than me. It doesn't mean they are smarter but they may have something from life experience they can share with you.

If you ever get in a situation with a girl you love where nothing seems to be working with her, try writing her a letter, a long, handwritten and heart felt letter. You may be surprised with the result.

Technology changes the way we interact, but what women desire in the core of who they are remains a constant from generation to generation.

bah...alpha = man beta = power handball bottom pig

Shit man that makes a lot of fucking sense.

I agree that a handwritten letter will be perceived by a woman as incredibly thoughtful and romantic. I've used them in the past with good success. I imagine someday I'll love someone enough to do it again.

I understand where you're coming from with respect to age and wisdom and experience. BUT, and no offense here Kit, Lion and I and a lot of other guys on this board and in the Community have so much more successful experience with women than you may be giving us credit for. I don't know your story but I would guess that we've had just as much, if not more, success with women than you have, despite the number of years you may have on us.

You're wiser in many, many aspects of life. I think its safe to say in this one, at least with younger women, we've got a leg up on you.

[grimm1111]

haha EGO CHECK

[grimm1111]

nah dudes i'm totally just giving you shit. i consider every one of you in this community a friend. we're all here to shoot the shit and to help each other out, so thanks for the tips so far.

I never thought about why it'd be a bad idea to txt a girl the same night, but actually that makes good sense. I'llbedamned.

[Bull Run]

haha EGO CHECK

Nah, no ego just the truth about what has been and hasn't been successful for me in the past.

[isosceles cheese]

haha EGO CHECK

Nah, no ego just the truth about what has been and hasn't been successful for me in the past.

more like ego-trip.

[Bull Run]

haha EGO CHECK

Nah, no ego just the truth about what has been and hasn't been successful for me in the past.

more like ego-trip.

I just have a different frame than you.

[Lion]

Alright Lion and Bull Run, let me give you an example and think about it. I'm going trust you about being right in general with younger kids, but...

My mother used to always tell me to write letters to a woman. It was what her generation did. They rarely even got to talk on the phone. Growing up I used a phone and my mother said that was okay, but I should write a letter now and then and mail it to a girl I liked or hand it to her if I didn't have her address. I laughed it off because I thought she was out of touch. Then email came along, then text messages and we are getting further and further away from the days of writing letters and general courtship.

Let me give you a bit of advice that I learned after I matured. You see, there is no book, or DVD or MP3 stolen off Limewire that can replace maturity. You can't fake it either. When I matured a bit (took me a damn long time and I'm still working on it) I learned to listen a little closer to people who were older than me. It doesn't mean they are smarter but they may have something from life experience they can share with you.

If you ever get in a situation with a girl you love where nothing seems to be working with her, try writing her a letter, a long, handwritten and heart felt letter. You may be surprised with the result.

Technology changes the way we interact, but what women desire in the core of who they are remains a constant from generation to generation.

bah...alpha = man beta = power handball bottom pig

Shit man that makes a lot of fucking sense.

Kit, it's funny that you mentioned your mother was out of touch about writing letters. Phonecalls are now out of touch (at least in the first part of communication). As for writing a letter, yes, that is a PHENOMENAL thing to do ONLY when the girl is falling for you. If nothing is working with her a letter will scare her off before you can even put the stamp on it. Guys, don't write a letter to a girl who isn't already 100% into you and you aren't 100% into.

Bull Run has been right about everything on this thread so far. Take it as ego if you want, but when you start getting what you want your ego gets bigger too.

[Kit]

Okay, I have reread all posts in regard to this texting. I have to admit, hate to, that I'm of a different generation and I am probably out of touch with how younger people communicate now. Point taken. I'll try texting people under say 30.

I think it's pretty obvious to anyone with minor intelligence the letter writing I suggested was directed at a specific situation and not to be recommened as a pickup technique any more than I would send flowers and I recommend a written letter over flowers any day. Every man is willing to buy flowers, few are willing to express themselves in a hand written letter and women know this.

Consider this though... if you are ever in a fight and she is texting you to fight, pick up the phone and call her. She will immediately feel like she is being immature and weak fighting through texts. Say what you want to but texting is weak. It can be more playful, convenient and casual but it's still weak. Anyone can argue on a forum. Anyone can think of funny things to say in text or an email, but doing it on the phone or in person where it has to be done quickly gives more validation.

Phone calls are more powerful than texts just like hand written letters are more powerful than phone calls, especially when you need to say you love someone or you are sorry in a serious relationship.

But again, I see your point that texts probably work better when you don't want to come across too strong. I think by what you wrote in your own words you agree that calling is more manly. I also see how her returning a missed text is much easier for her to do than returning a missed phone call. Women do not like to call men so another point well made on your part.

[grimm1111]

Bull Run has been right about everything on this thread so far. Take it as ego if you want, but when you start getting what you want your ego gets bigger too.

haha i was just busting your balls dude don't worry about it, and kit's too.

i wouldn't judge anybody, that's fucked up. i haven't even met you. you sound like cool guys who know their shit and i wouldn't joke around if i didn't think you had the strength of frame to take it.

in my opinion the difference b/w ego and core confidence is that ego comes from comparing yourself to someone else, and core confidence comes from having a strong reality. Confidence is attractive to women, the male ego not so much. But truely it was just a joke.