progress good. grunt.

[Bull Run]

Well played. Did you text her the same night or was it a different night?

Thanks, yeah that was pretty good teamwork. I still got a lot of shit to work on but after a night like the one before it feels pretty fucking good i'll say to have a fucking victory of some shade.

Oh this all happened Sat. at Black Finn, I txted her like 2 hours after they left. "Do you speak text? - Peter" but she didn't answer it.

There are some exceptions, but it's not generally a good idea to text the same night.

Totally agree. Texting the same night sub-communicates that you're overly interested in her AND that you don't have anyone else to go home with.

[Kit]

I ruined every HB connection I ever had if I texted or called the same night. I also think a call is better than a text as a first contact. It's more secure and manly. A text can seem kind of insecure.

Exception being what you and I talked about already Grimm.

[Lion]

I ruined every HB connection I ever had if I texted or called the same night. I also think a call is better than a text as a first contact. It's more secure and manly. A text can seem kind of insecure.

Exception being what you and I talked about already Grimm.

Disagree. Maybe older women like phone calls, but 25's and under HATE talking on the phone to a new guy. Several unreturned phonecalls can seem really insecure, a few texts is nothing.

[Kit]

Disagree. Maybe older women like phone calls, but 25's and under HATE talking on the phone to a new guy. Several unreturned phonecalls can seem really insecure, a few texts is nothing.

No problem man, everyone has a different opinion.

[grimm1111]

Totally agree. Texting the same night sub-communicates that you're overly interested in her AND that you don't have anyone else to go home with.

LOL you're totally right, screw all that sub-communicating. Next time I'll just tell her to grab my balls instead of my phone.

[Bull Run]

Disagree. Maybe older women like phone calls, but 25's and under HATE talking on the phone to a new guy. Several unreturned phonecalls can seem really insecure, a few texts is nothing.

No problem man, everyone has a different opinion.

Lion is right. Like you, I used to think calling subcommunicated that you are a strong, confident man. Problem is that you already did that while you were getting her number. You don't need to reinforce it. Instead you need to continue the interaction in a playful manner without being too intrusive. REMEMBER: YOU JUST MET HER!!! You are a complete stranger and women find it a little creepy to have someone they don't really know calling them.

Rebuild comfort through texts. Then, she'll either ASK you to call her or ASK to see you.

I almost think of it as another shit test. If I can continue to exude confidence and charm through my texts, then she's going to be even more interested. If I can't then she'll think she made a mistake about me and I'm done.

I almost never call a woman unless I'm getting or giving directions to her or my place.

Plus anyway, people are busy man! Don't intrude on their daily lives, no one likes that. Don't bother her with a phone call and VM...send a text, when she has time she'll respond and vice versa.

[isosceles cheese]

If I'm in a situation where I'm texting a girl after hitting the bar, it means I'm not playing the game right because I' should be knocking boots with something.

I hope at least, because I'm still not playing it right...lol.

[Kit]

Lion is right.

Hmmm... okay, I'm new so I am going to be open minded about this. You guys are probably right as I am older and out of touch with how "kids" interact and what's important to them.

I have studied successful men from generations long before me. Some things change with time and some things do not.

So here is the question... Do these women perceive you as a man? I don't mean an alpha personality and I don't mean a confident, playful and sexy guy. I mean a true man that they look up to and respect? Do they? If so then I concede.

I do see your point that some girls are not yet strong enough to handle a true man and may be intimidated by a phone call.

[isosceles cheese]

Lion is right.

Hmmm... okay, I'm new so I am going to be open minded about this. You guys are probably right as I am older and out of touch with how "kids" interact and what's important to them.

I have studied successful men from generations long before me. Some things change with time and some things do not.

So here is the question... Do these women perceive you as a man? I don't mean an alpha personality and I don't mean a confident, playful and sexy guy. I mean a true man that they look up to and respect? Do they? If so then I concede.

I do see your point that some girls are not yet strong enough to handle a true man and may be intimidated by a phone call.

bah...alpha = man beta = power handball bottom pig

[Bull Run]

So here is the question... Do these women perceive you as a man? I don't mean an alpha personality and I don't mean a confident, playful and sexy guy. I mean a true man that they look up to and respect? Do they? If so then I concede.

My thinking is that when you pull a woman its because she respects you as a man. You exude confidence, you're in touch with your sexuality, you're a leader of men, you're someone that commands respect with your physical presence and surety of mind.

If you do it right I absolutely think that women respect you. I also think that since you're probably a lot different from other men they've encountered they also are intimidated by you a little bit. Hence the reason for not being too forward with a phone call.