Friday night meetup @ Sherlocks (in-field report)

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Without seeing the true dynamic of the group and the positioning you could do a couple things.

If you NEG make sure it is a neg and not a insult. There is a fine line and in this situation you could get blown out quick.

Does she always interrupt people's conversations?(When you say this make sure you BL, and tone are good. You can get away with a ton of shit if you have the correct tone)(It needs to be in a way that you are almost not even asking the question. It is more of a statement although it will surely be answered) Implied to the two girls you were talking to. They will probably think it is funny and say Yes, laughing. Then it is important to engage the girl and bring her in. If you don't you will probably be doomed. She can ruin the set with EASE. You could then play nice with her and tell her to come in closer and you will catch her up.

Don't catch her up as the other two will lose interest. Continue where you left off, start a new thread, or repose the question without all the glitz. We were talking about who lied more guys or girls(Or the true statement I would say at this point is (We were talking about how girls lied WAY more than guys). That way it gets all the girls riled up. You can also point out that your target thinks girls are the biggest liars blah blah. You will get an immediate IOI or IOD from your target. This will immediately engage the set breaker in the topic and save you from being blown out.

There is some video on maybe youtube with Mystery talking about sets like these. Some of his information on the topic was pretty freaking solid if you ask me. I have no idea how to find it for you though but I am pretty certain I watched it a couple years ago or so.

His advice was a hundred times better than mine.

There are some witty fuckers on this board who could probably yield some better quips. Hopefully they will chime in.

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[QUOTE=playercool;34078]Without seeing the true dynamic of the group and the positioning you could do a couple things.

If you NEG make sure it is a neg and not a insult. There is a fine line and in this situation you could get blown out quick.

Does she always interrupt people's conversations?(When you say this make sure you BL, and tone are good. You can get away with a ton of shit if you have the correct tone)(It needs to be in a way that you are almost not even asking the question. It is more of a statement although it will surely be answered) Implied to the two girls you were talking to. They will probably think it is funny and say Yes, laughing. Then it is important to engage the girl and bring her in. If you don't you will probably be doomed. She can ruin the set with EASE. You could then play nice with her and tell her to come in closer and you will catch her up.

Don't catch her up as the other two will lose interest. Continue where you left off, start a new thread, or repose the question without all the glitz. We were talking about who lied more guys or girls(Or the true statement I would say at this point is (We were talking about how girls lied WAY more than guys). That way it gets all the girls riled up. You can also point out that your target thinks girls are the biggest liars blah blah. You will get an immediate IOI or IOD from your target. This will immediately engage the set breaker in the topic and save you from being blown out.

There is some video on maybe youtube with Mystery talking about sets like these. Some of his information on the topic was pretty freaking solid if you ask me. I have no idea how to find it for you though but I am pretty certain I watched it a couple years ago or so.

His advice was a hundred times better than mine.

There are some witty fuckers on this board who could probably yield some better quips. Hopefully they will chime in.[/QUOTE]

Playercool, this was a really informative post for me. There was a lot for me to takeaway from this post and I will have so much more to use next time this opener is ran. Your methods seem fun, cocky, yet light...I dig. I never thought of turning it around on the other girls/targets LOL Good shiet, man.

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My first set was a 5-set and they were all females mostly attractive with my target being the most attractive one that stood out. They were all surrounding the arcade/video game area and I told Ram and Sooners123 that I will open that set first because it looked quite challenging and indeed it was. I opened with the tried and true MM INDIRECT opinion opener: "who lies more?" I went into the middle of the set
where I felt I could be most vocal and reach out to most of them audiblly and said "hey guys...i got quick question and I can't stay long because i've got to rejoin my friends...but my friends and I have been debating about this all night and we're trying to settle the score: who lies more...men or women?

all girls>> "blah blah blah"

me>> " so why do you feel that way?"

some gir>l> "blah blah blah"

last girl on the very end far right of the 5-set>> "what did he say? what's going on?"
**another girl fills her in**

me>> "well I tell you what we think so far. It's apparent that both men and women lie but it seems to be that women get away with a whole lot more! "

PUA INTERRUPTION>> by some guy that walks in and HUGS the HB target right in front of me

I try to get the set focus back on ME by saying: "so what's up with you guys hovering around the arcade machine?"

one girl>> "because it's less packed and quieter over here..."

**all girls lose attention on me**

me>> "well it was nice talking with you guys" *EJECT*


dealbreakers: 1. not knowing how to better engage EVERYONE in the set
2. wannabe AMOG/BF in the group interrupting my set
3. not having more material to run the indirect game
4. my false time constraint didn't seem to affect them (maybe i need to rock more and pretend like i was leaving)


RAM immediately gave me feedback asking why did I not stay in set and continue plowing? I answered him "honestly I felt the set was shutting me out and the energy levels were dieing down and
I had no more material to DHV and bait any TARGET to give me IOIs. Not once did I get an IOI in that set.

[COLOR=red]Ok a few things here. I'm a fan some methods but not some material. That being said I don't care how you opened, in my opinion your indecissiveness was your undoing here. You did get ioi's but from the girls that were out of the discussion closer to the resteraunt side. The point in opening a five set should be to split a few girls off and talk to them and make one of them your target. You breifly win over the group so that you can close a member of said group. So pre open, eject and then later come back.[/COLOR]

Ram, it was a pleasure watching you smooth sets over with your humor and you remind me of a college party king. lol

[COLOR=red]It was nice to meet you too. I have a lot of things I think I can help you out with. I think our styles might not be that similar but do have something in common. Yes I open doors with charisma and humor (similarly you come across as a pretty nice guy) but my attraction game is tight. Your hangup seems to be transitioning to isolation and escalation. You need stronger body language and you need to break rapport at some point. Even though you are good at opening if you don't take these steps to heart you will develope a pattern of opening sets just so you can invest in them and then leave.[/COLOR]

At this point, I feel so much more comfortable with direct game in comparison to indirect game and I want to learn TIGHT indirect game so I can use it when needed. Does anyone here have some writeups and specific examples/experiences of INDIRECT game they can share with all of us?[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=red]I have a few. I've posted some FR's, LR's and even some entire conversation threads from online pickups on another forum. I'll see about putting them up on here too. I have some opinions on this I'll share with you whenever you want to listen.[/COLOR]

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What's a good way to acknowledge him if he's going in and hugging the target and ignoring everyone else in the set?
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**This is an advanced technique, so don't be surprised if you don't master it the 1st 100 attempts.**

*extend your hand*
"What's going on?"

Simple respect for the unknown males in the group up front can save you headache later. If he continues to be a dick and actually cockblock, then you get snippy.

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can you give some examples on how to go from there? Should I be entertaining them through routines? stories? lead the conversation down a different path? or have them go on those mini-missions you've talked about i.e. getting guys to buy them drinks, etc
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Do whatever comes to mind to add a little excitement to their group. Try to lead them to a more entertaining part of the venue, "All you smell over here is the bathroom...c'mon let's move just around the corner and engage in America's past time...people watching."

Stop random people walking by and ask them strange questions. The wittier the question, the higher probability it will get the group laughing, and soften them up nicely for you.

As you can tell, I'm a huge fan of the social experiement "mini-missions" as you put them. You'll need to study up on cold reading to do it like I do, though. I'm sure you can come up with some just fine on your own!
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What are some solid examples of re-opening?
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Depends on your ejection, mainly. Bounce "to get another drink" or "make sure your A.D.D. friend didn't wander too far off" or "Damn, I'm so A.D.D. ...I'm pretty sure I wandered off earlier when talking to you...I'm an asshole (you're joking, obviously)" or anything else your little brain can come up with. Again, my examples are soley things that come to mind for ME...but it should give you an idea.

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I thought it was odd, too, Smirks! But whether you remember or not, I got that from you! lmfao and I asked you like 3x about whether I should say that because it felt weird. Shiet, were you drunk when you told me that? lol
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I know I gave you an idea of what to say...but I seriously doubt I worded it like that...drunk me is more of a stickler for verbage than sober me. It's all good though :D the "make a connection" part seems a lot like my fake "overheard" opener.

1) Girl is at bar
2) Your wing walks up on one side of her and faces away from her, you walk up on the other and face your friend's direction (she's in between the two of you.)
3) You loudly say to your friend (across her), "So yeah, like I was saying...I told her I wasn't looking for a booty call, I just want what Cory and Topanga had."

lololololol. I don't care who you are, that's funny.

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[QUOTE=Smirks;34094]
1) Girl is at bar
2) Your wing walks up on one side of her and faces away from her, you walk up on the other and face your friend's direction (she's in between the two of you.)
3) You loudly say to your friend (across her), "So yeah, like I was saying...I told her I wasn't looking for a booty call, I just want what Cory and Topanga had."

lololololol. I don't care who you are, that's funny.[/QUOTE]

Lol. I am SO using that. Hahahaha.

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[COLOR=green]Well I tried to stay in and change the thread immediately but they weren't willing to invest any in the interaction once the topic was changed and they turned their bodies away from me. Would you still recommend to stay in? I consider that pretty much a blowout so I ejected as soon as I saw them turn their bodies. If there are ways to stay in and plow, I am definitely interested in learning that strategy/technique...
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To be honest, I usually eject from my first set. But for the rest, I only leave the set if it's part of the "plan." If I have the urge to leave because I'm uncomfortable, I will stay in. Energy levels dying down is not really a blowout, since they can usually easily come up again. Something you can always do is cold-read, but obviously you're not going to cold read 20 minutes in a row.

The point of staying in past your comfort zone, is that you stretch your comfort zone. So, when you go indirect, you may feel that you don't know the "strategy / technique" necessary to plow, but by forcing yourself to stay in, your mind trains itself. I've had sets where I would run out of things to say. Now that doesn't happen anywhere near as much.

Of course, it's always fun to force the blowout.
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I opened a seated 5 set last night. It seemed to me like it was easy to open, and easy to chill with, but everything I did was under the radar.

For example, any negs I put out there, regardless of how small the neg, was turned into a huge insult, which always died down, but still...

One thing I found out was that after I became "the man" in the 5 set I could go game other sets and everytime that I came back to the 5 set they were 100 times happier to see me than the last.

Plus, if I ran into someone from the 5 set while I was out gaming, she immediately became my pivot.

Needless to say, I WILL be opening 5 sets everytime I go out from now on. It's difficult to control the factors, and your target might have to be a biggun, but it sure helped my overall game for the night.