First sarge...what's the next step?

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First sarge...what's the next step?

Postby Appleman » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:09 am

I have been reading some of the material on here and went out on my first sarge. I drove around his morning and ended up at Starbucks. There was a HB 8.5 sitting outside and I sat down at the table next to hers even though there were other tables open. I could tell this made her uncomfortable. She was writing some notes. I took out a pen and paper and started writing too just to synch up with her. So I was sitting there thinking what now? Was pretty clueless as to what to do next. I decided to stay put and see what came up.
About 20 minutes later some guy with a TV camera and a reporter pull up saying they are doing some story on the bad parking situation there. They asked her some questions and asked if she wanted to be on TV. She said no. I took the opportunity and opened with how bad the parking situation is -especially with my big truck. I could tell she was more comfortable with me now since the TV camera had made her nervous. We talked for 15-20 mins. She works in the insurance business and wants to start grad school for international business. We talked about school and some trips she had taken on business. She went to vegas and said she had not done much but worked there. I negged her about not telling the whole truth about her gambling problem. This girl was really hot...beautiful hair and breasts. We started talking about the insurance business and I made up some stuff about needing an insurance quote for our company. She perked up. I was out of time so I told her I was impressed with her insurance knowledge and asked her if she would mind giving me some advice sometime. She said she would even look over quotes for me and handed me her business card. Yesss!!!
As I walked away I joked "see you on the news"
I was so psyched I got her card because when I sat down I had no idea what I was going to do since I was getting a nervous vibe from her. I am pumped about working on having more game!

So what do I do now?
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Postby Archaeopteryx » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:09 am

Eh, if you expressed interest in being a cilent, she's going to view you as a potential cilent, IMO. Of course she is going to perk up if she thinks she's going to make a sale.
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Postby Appleman » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:08 pm

Great point. I guess in my mind just getting her email address and work phone was a step in the right direction.
Any suggestions on what now?
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Postby Rhody » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:40 pm

You left the house. You went to a place where there are girls. You approached a woman. And you engaged her in conversation. For your first sarge, that is great. You got through A1, which is better than a lot of guys on their first sarge.

Did you notice any IOIs? Did she touch her hair, ask anything about you, re-engage you when you got quiet, face you when you talked, cross her legs toward you, lick her lips, smile a lot, laugh at your jokes? If so, then you got to A2 as well. That would be an excellent first sarge.
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Postby Appleman » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:41 pm

definitely had IOI's - she took off her sunglasses and moved her legs over towards me while we were talking. She was also messing with her hair. We had a pretty good rapport too...talked about traveling and her family. This was all before we talked about her job I thought about getting her # for the business stuff. I guess I took the easy way out and should have gotten her to give me the # just for knowing me rather than the weaseling about business interest. I am still not sure what to do next. Am thinking will email her or call her and set up a lunch or something.
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Postby Welsh_Dragon » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:00 pm

First off well done. As you have learnt from this experience situational openers are better in cold approach.

I have been reading some of the material on here and went out on my first sarge. I drove around his morning and ended up at Starbucks. There was a HB 8.5 sitting outside and I sat down at the table next to hers even though there were other tables open. I could tell this made her uncomfortable. She was writing some notes. I took out a pen and paper and started writing too just to synch up with her. So I was sitting there thinking what now? Was pretty clueless as to what to do next. I decided to stay put and see what came up.


Very good start. Putting yourself in a situation like this is essential. Don't do this and you will get nothing - guaranteed. What you did by sitting next to her may have looked like it made her uncomfortable but I can assure you it made her notice you.

About 20 minutes later some guy with a TV camera and a reporter pull up saying they are doing some story on the bad parking situation there. They asked her some questions and asked if she wanted to be on TV. She said no. I took the opportunity and opened with how bad the parking situation is -especially with my big truck. I could tell she was more comfortable with me now since the TV camera had made her nervous.


Karma is a funny thing. Showing up is half the battle.

We talked for 15-20 mins. She works in the insurance business and wants to start grad school for international business. We talked about school and some trips she had taken on business. She went to vegas and said she had not done much but worked there.


I would be willing to bet that by getting this much information and by her being willing to give it to a complete stranger (no pun intended) you had attraction and comfort.

I negged her about not telling the whole truth about her gambling problem. This girl was really hot...beautiful hair and breasts.


Was this necessary? A playful neg here would be OK but you should be in control of the frame by this stage. Depends on the girl though - some need constant negs (which I hate).

We started talking about the insurance business and I made up some stuff about needing an insurance quote for our company. She perked up. I was out of time so I told her I was impressed with her insurance knowledge and asked her if she would mind giving me some advice sometime. She said she would even look over quotes for me and handed me her business card. Yesss!!!


IMO this was your rookie mistake. You handed her back the frame a little bit. You should be able to get it back if she gives you the chance. Better option would have been the venue change or day1 (get her out that day/night). In the grand scheme of things though this is excellent for the first time.

As I walked away I joked "see you on the news"
I was so psyched I got her card because when I sat down I had no idea what I was going to do since I was getting a nervous vibe from her. I am pumped about working on having more game!

So what do I do now?


Text/call her and set up a day2. The ideal scenario would have been a venue change. From experience I would say there is a 50/50 chance she will bite.

My advice is don't take a card just get the cell number (she will usually ask for yours first in a good sarge). This is a way to covertly give her your # because you just punch her # in then call it. If you have impressed enough she may call you since now she has the number - just don't forget to remind her of your name. If she calls or texts first at that point you are golden.

What was she doing that day? Night? Did you ask? 15-20 mins is more than enough time to read a girl with practice.
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Postby Twitchy » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:05 pm

I think you did great for your first time. For your next step, call her up and invite her out. Don't mention anything about insurance as the reason.

Your only real "mistake" was turning this from a "sarge" to a "business event". It just shows you were too insecure to bring the sarge all of the way through and used business to take the pressure off you so you wouldn't get rejected.

Don't beat yourself up over it. We all do this. Also, don't fear rejection. You will learn more from the times you were rejected than from when your sarges were successful. Use your "mistake" as a lesson learned and try to salvage it.

That being said, you went out, approached and got into conversation with an attractive girl AND got her number. There wasn't a lot you did wrong. Be proud of it.

Invite her out, don't talk insurance at all, let her know you are interested in her and not in her business.

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Postby lawdawg505 » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:19 am

I'm not an expert by any means, but good job with stepping out of your comfort zone and going for it!
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