3x # Close last weekend - Good for day2?

[Guest]

I'm trying to get more consistent day 2s, and I would appreciate if you could give me some feedback on my interactions. I am getting more consistent with getting numbers, but getting day 2s out of it are more challenging for me.

I am concerned with if you feel that the number is solid at the close. Also, does my texting/interaction seem fun and attractive enough? Am I texting too much? Are the texts heading in a good direction? Does it seem like I'll get anywhere from the texts?

Thanks guys!

-HB7 Cowgirl (Friday at block party)
I spent the whole night socializing and meeting people. I was friends with around 10/60 people. But, I was able to meet almost everyone pretty easily because of my friends. So, I didn't have any fancy openers or anything. A/w, I'm talking with my friends and a girl that my friend knows comes in. We're standing next to some sort of store bought brownies.
Me: "did you make those?"
Her: "No. are they good?"
Me: "I dunno, but you should try it out and let me know"
Her: "I wanted you to try it."
Me: "Let's try it together. We'll get the one with a candle on it. You make a wish, and I'll blow it out"
I grab one and tell her to make a wish. She makes the wish and blows it out and I tease her about how I was supposed to blow it out. She relights the candle, I make a wish and blow it out. I tell her to split it, and she obviously has to touch both parts.
Me: "Eww...did you touch my half?"
Her: "What!? how else can I do it?"
Me: "I lost my appetite..."
We're about to eat it when I get interrupted. She ends up eating her half while I still had mine. I look over and say
Me: "How was it? Should I still eat it?"
Her: "What!? We were supposed to eat it together."
Me: "Haha, you so fell for it. Thanks for being the guniea pig"
She slaps me on the arm and asks me to check out the bounce house (yes, we had a fucking bounce house!). I get distracted and run off and tell her I'll meet her there later. I open a group of girls and somehow get them to "join my team", which we decided the name was "team badass". HB7 cowgirl sees and really wants to check out the bounce house. We play and tease each other about how old we're getting. I start seeding the day 2 (talk about mini golf with friends) and she is really interested. She tells me she likes to two step. I told her I know how to salsa. We teach other how to dance and she asks for my number (in the bounce house). After we get out, I didn't mention the number. I spent the rest of the night socializing and running into her. She asks for my number and I give it to her. I also go to a bar with her and my friends afterwards

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-HB8 Asian (Sunday at dimsum)
I meet my friends for dimsum on Sunday. They brought some friends, one girl (HB8) is really cute and looks similar to my ex girlfriend. I forgot what I said to her, but I tease her a lot. She tells me that she goes to TWU and I ask her if she's a man hater. I ask her what she does for fun and she answers it in detail. I seed some day 2 things that I like to do. I fumble with the chop sticks and she cheers me up and encourages me. I tell her a story where I learned how to use chopsticks from a video on youtube from a white guy and she laughs. We talk a lot and at one point she realizes that we missed all the food. There was something in particular that she wanted to try, so I grabbed the waiter and ordered it. I ask her for her number and to come hang out with my friends and I. My friends at the table are staring at us when we get the number. When I typed her name in, I commented
Me: "Hmm...what should I put you down for company?"
Her: "Do you have to?"
Me: "I like to distinguish everyone by a trait that stands out...trying to decide what to put down for you"
: "Food eat"
Me: "haha, booty, that's funny. booty it is" (it sounded like they said booty)
I type it in, show her.
Her: "If you don't change it, I won't pick up when you answer"
Me: "Haha, it's funny."
I put the phone back in my pocket, but she does look visibly upset about it. So, I pull it back out and change it from "booty" to "multi cultural" cause she said she liked it a lot.

Afterwards, everyone wanted to get bubble tea or whatever. But, I had to leave so I said bye to everyone.

The following is our text convo verbatim (with case and spelling)
(Sun 3:30pm) Her: It was a lot of fun today. You should have gotten tapioca with us
(Sun 4:05pm) Me: It was! I wanted to come but I had to meet up with my friends
Her: Ah ok
Me: What are you doing now? Karaoke-ing?
Her: No. Im about to do homework
(Sun 4:30pm) Me: You're a nerd :-)
(Sun 5:30pm) Her: And proud of it
Her: Its raining cats and dogs
Me: Haha. It's a compliment. I'm a nerd too
(Sun 6:50pm) Me: Wake up!!!
Her: I am awake. You bored or something?
(Sun 7:00pm) Me: Nope. Figured you fell asleep doing homework. Just watching out for you :-)
Her: I actually did lol but i am awake now. That trip and staying out late yesterday really tired me out
(Sun 7:19pm) Me: Haha. I'm psychic
Her: Pfft so besides golf what else do you like to do?
(Sun 18:00pm) Me: A lot of things. Golf is one of my favorites. You like golf?
Her: I dont know how to play
Her: What about golf makes it one of your favorites
Me: It's a way for me and my brother to bond
Her: Ah
Me: Another reason is because you're playing against yoursef. It's a lot mental and you have to remain positive and control.
Me: Let's go play mini golf! It's fun even if you don't normally play
Her: We can do that sometime.
(Sun 11:00pm) Her: Oh man i didnt get alot done. Are you ready for the new week?
(Sun 11:20pm) Me: You didn't fall asleep again did you!? You're a bad student. I'm excited! Ping Pong, golf, camping. You?
(Sun 23:50) Her: I am so not. I ended up arguing with my mom and she was driving me nuts
(Mon 12:10am) Me: You'll be fine. I can't stop tasting the bolo bao. I want more..."
Her: Which one is that?
Me: Pineapple bread. The thingy we missed while talking
Her: Oh yeah that stuff was good. When you told me it was pineapple i was scared there was something wrong with my taste buds
(Mon 12:30am) Me: Uhh there are pineapples. We were just saying that to make you feel better...
Her: Yeah right. I think you are the one that has a problem with your taste buds since you seemed pretty certain that there were pineapples in it.
Me: You passed the gullibility test. Congrats! Doing well so far
Her: Lol i didn't know there was a test. Hey, what made you ask me if i was a man hater?
(Mon 12:45pm) Me: Lol I don't know if I should tell you. But a/w I'm gonna sleep. Good night and sweet dreams
Her: Ok good night ! Tell me another day though :-)
(Tue 9:40pm) Me: Hey man hater. Let's go mini golf tomorrow
(Wed 12pm) Her: Sorry im busy all day tomorrow
(Wed 2:03pm) Me: I sent you that message last night. Are you busy today?
(Wed 2:57pm) Her: Yes, quality time with sister
Me: Ok. Next time then :-)
(Wed 4pm) Her: Ok and by the way that wasnt really nice calling me man hater
Me: I'm a man hater too! But ok I'll come up with a better nickname when we hang out
(Wed 4:20pm) Her: Lol you are one but i am not.
Her: Why do you have to give me a nickname? is an awesome name to call me
Me: You should be flattered. I only give nicknames to cute and cool girls
Her: Haha

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Uhh..so I didn't get a response after the "I give nicknames to cute girls" thing. I did it this way to let her know that I am interested in her in a sexual or romantic way. Good choice? Would you do it differently?

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HB7 British (warm approach on street)
This one won't be as detailed since I'm getting tired. But, I met her on the way to meet with my friends. But, somehow we get into what she does and what inspired her to be a bioengineer. She is really expressive and it is really easy to tease her and to add to her energy. We talk for around 40 min. I got her number after 20 min and we talked for another 20. She plays tennis. She told me about how much she loves it and how she has had many psycho coaches that turned their varsity team from losers to champions. I wanted to play tennis so I asked her to play. she sounds totally hardcore, and asked me how good I was. I told her not very, but, if she is not having fun, we'll find something else to do. She agreed.

Text
(Sun 6:45pm) Me: Heya. I read about the program that got you into bioengineering. I read somewhere that dinos had feathers. I guess it came from this research. Were you the one to discover it? :-)
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(Mon 11:30am) Her: I can only wish to take credit for that but no I did not discover that fact
(Mon 1:22pm) Me: Ah that's disappointing. Maybe if you had a psycho coach you coulda created a dino. I want a triceratops
(Mon 6:00pm) Her: Haha. I am crazy enough to want to try however I am no moreau or Dr what's his name from JP
(Mon 8:09pm) Me: Good. I like adventurous girls :-) get me a triceratops stat! I'll go easy on you in tennis if you do
(Tue 12:52am) Her: You wish!

She is a slow texter. Almost exaggeratedly slow. Does this have any meaning? She does seem very very busy (leadership position in many many clubs)

[Guest]

Dude. Looking at some of your banter with these girls I think that you don't need to seed a day2 at all. In my opinion, it seems like you can keep a really fun, witty conversation going with ease. So, use that. Sure, you can mention things you like to do, but only if it comes up in the normal course of conversation. But, don't 'seed' day2s. Just like you shouldn't use DHV spikes. That's just plain stupid and it comes off as try hard if you get caught doing it...all of this should just come out naturally. An awesome person never says they're awesome, an confident man doesn't beat around the bush if they want to take a girl out.

Look at the cowgirl scenario. You played that PERFECTLY. You even got an insta-date with her, albeit with a group, but you easily could have isolated her and then escalated. You don't need a day2 to escalate bro.

I think you're way too hung up on the day2s and you're trying to pigeon-hole the interaction to fit your idea of how seduction works. You had a day2 with the cowgirl, but you didn't turn it into that. Part of being really good at PU is being able to see opportunities and then seize them.

You had a great chance with cowgirl and, it appears that, you blew it. Sure, you can recover, but you had a golden opportunity to take that to a completely different level.

Like I said before, PU is not linear. There really isn't a checklist. I never knew the name of, kissed, or number closed one of the hottest chicks I ever fucked...yes, we were sober (enough at least). I'm sure others have similar stories, so this is a common thing. Part of this is identifying the things you need to do with a chick and the things you can fast forward. They'll give you subtle clues, your job is to pick them up and then lead her in that direction.

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[B]HB7 Cowgirl[/B]

The simple fact that she asked for your # multiple signs is a good sign. Has the called or texted? Did you make her call/text your phone when she took the number? If not, she might view the whole thing as her persuing YOU and didn't want to seem slutty later. If she did contact, detail what's going on there.

[B]HB8 Asian[/B]

Unless your interaction had a strong sexual tone, I'd stay away from nicknaming or categorizing a girl as, "booty." Shows what you think of her. Applies to "man hater" too. You could have spun off the "man hater" convo with something like, "You kind of gave me that vibe, but in a friendly way. It's okay, I like a challenge."

In the text convo, she's doing all the probing. Women like talking about themselves...give her a couple chances to. The brief blurb about golf is really good. Especially the "Another reason is because you're playing against yoursef. It's a lot mental and you have to remain positive and control" part. High value statement.

[B]HB7 British[/B]

Not much to go on, but I like that you # closed and CONTINUED to talk to her. I have this feeling that most of the guys who bounce after getting digits come off as nothing more than a number collector (unless the situation interrupts the interaction, of course.)

Don't read in to the delayed response in texting...if she really does have a lot of shit going on, then she might not always be able to respond...even if she does read it. Most girls are obsessed with texting, but I've met a couple who aren't...granted that's because they are still stuck in the year 2000 and don't have a QWERTY phone.

If she's really delaying these responses due to lack of interest, try to pique her interest! If that fails, then you'll know why and can cut her.


I'd also like to point out that in every single one of these you seem a little too determined to get the Day 2. Like to the point that you're just wanting someone to do stuff with, regardless of what you know about her or whatever. I mentioned it already, but make it a little more about here from time to time, use the texting to build comfort and show your personality (I can do this well, but some people can't.)

[Guest]

I'm glad you put these three FRs together, because they seem like they represent three girls with three different blueprints. The first one seemed like she was playful and enjoyed the teasing. The second one seemed sensitive, and maybe you should have dropped the teasing and had more of a deep conversation with her. The third one seems busy and you have to pace the interaction accordingly.

This kind of thing takes experience and calibration to know how to handle each interaction. By sarging these three girls, you're getting that experience. That's awesome!

[Guest]

Haha, good stuff man. Did you call the cowgirl chick yet? When she went with you the bar, what happened? Did you escalate the interaction? Qualify / build comfort / etc?

With the asian chick, I think some calibration was needed; specifically with the man-hater things. Another thing I noticed was that there were some points in the convo where you could have done some deeper rapport instead of thread-cutting. Hard to do via text thought. Maybe worth giving her a call if you haven't done that.

With the british chick ... so you find her expressive. Did you tell her you like that? Because the amount of time you talk to a girl isn't important if you aren't escalating the interaction.

[Guest]

Thanks! I'm glad that my interactions are generally fun and playful. When I say "seed a day 2", it normally comes from the girl asking what I like to do. I then tell them (most things I do are group oriented). I say I do it with my friends. They normally react with "OMG that sounds cool. or I love doing that". Then, I invite her along for for next time and ask for her number. But, since I mention I do it with friends, I think it's assumed it'll be a group activity (although to be honest I don't remember if I say "next time I go", or "next time my friends and I go").

I see what you mean with the DHV spikes and that. Although I don't have any canned material, I do try to throw in cool stories that relate to what we're talking about. But, they're not rehearsed, and I don't know how effectively I am delivering them. But it definitely doesn't come naturally to me like being playful and teasing. It does seem like something that is becoming part of my game though. I think it can become natural if I practice it more.

Haha, I really do have a pretty stringent view of how seduction should work (DAMN YOU Erik Von Markovik). You did comment about this in the other thread and I took notice of it. But, I'm glad you pointed it out again because I didn't connect what I did here with that. Insta-dating was a "day 2" like you said, but there wasn't any pressure because I didn't put any sort of label on it. I was just trying to get to know cowgirl better.

Like Bull Run and Smirks said, I do seem pretty determined to get a day 2. I did feel like it was the next step and looking back at my post, it am definitely pushing for it. I really do want to form a deep connection with the girls. I am aware that building comfort is one of my biggest sticking points. I am capable of it (since I did it before learning about game). But, learning so much about game has made me focus on attraction so much that I feel like she needs to be laughing the whole time and that I can't ask questions that I care about. But, I will get past it soon as I realize that this is the next step I need to take.

-Cowgirl
The reason I don't have any calls/texts to/from her is because I found out later that night she has a bf. We went to the bar and kinoed and wrastled (cause we're in Texas) a lot. Then we went to Taco Cabana to grab a bite. Her friend should have told me sooner, but cowgirl had a bf. At this point, I'd rather just not deal with that. I won't actively pursue her, but I would hang out with her if she contacts me.

-Asian
I like the idea of building comfort and getting closer to girls through text or on the phone. It can help steer me in the right direction so that I can do it in person too.
I didn't calibrate her very well. She didn't seem taken back when I called her man hater in person. But, I guess that since she mentioned in it the text, it must have been on her radar (although I couldn't determine the connotation from it). I thought that since she mentioned it, I would use it to tease her, which totally backfired.
I will give her a call after Thanksgiving and text her till then. I think that even though I didn't handle the situation very well, it can still be salvaged.

-British
You guys are right, I shouldn't overanalyze the texting. I'll feel it out and hopefully determine correctly whether or not it's an interest or time matter.
I didn't mention to her that I like her expressiveness. I did qualify her by telling her how I like how she stands up for herself (she told me she left one of her clubs since the president blamed her for something). I kinoed (high five, shoulder touch) her a lot. Said I hated biology, but loved her area (genetics). I may have mentioned I like how athletic she is, but not too sure about that.
I did make a lot of time constraints because I really did have to go. But she kept on wanting to talk. At the end I told her "it was nice meeting you, but I really need to meet with my friends. I'll call you or text you about tennis"

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[QUOTE=sooners123;33683]-Cowgirl
The reason I don't have any calls/texts to/from her is because I found out later that night she has a bf. We went to the bar and kinoed and wrastled (cause we're in Texas) a lot. Then we went to Taco Cabana to grab a bite. Her friend should have told me sooner, but cowgirl had a bf. At this point, I'd rather just not deal with that. I won't actively pursue her, but I would hang out with her if she contacts me.[/QUOTE]



Ah. Ok, so you did take advantage of the situation a little more than you first let on. That's good, even if she did have a BF, you still tried to push the interaction up the ladder of seduction.

I want you to think about something though. If you never found out that she had a BF, would you have continued escalating the interaction? Did hearing about her BF stop you from taking it to the next level, or did you just not get there? I suspect it's the former versus the latter, but I'm still curious.

She asked for your number multiple times, this shows A LOT of interest. Virtually every girl on the planet doesn't even bother unless they're interested AND, usually, they're VERY interested. Second, she came with the group to the bar (this is a bit of a stretch to assume that she was there for you, but given her insistance that she get your number it's very possible that she wanted to stay in proximity to you). Once at the bar, it seems that she continued interacting with you as if she were interested. Finally, was it just the two of you at Taco C? Or were there more? If it was just the two of you then that means she was ready to be seduced, if it was with a group it could mean nothing. Just depends.

In my opinion, there really were two scenarios with HB Cowgirl based on what I saw from your FR. Both are good:

1) She wanted to cheat on her BF with you. This may not be your thing, and I don't recommend it because it's a trashy thing to do to steal another man's girl from him. Even if he is a douche. It's especially shitty when you have our skill set...in that case, it doesn't even seem fair. Kind of like arm wrestling with a quadrapalegic.

2) She didn't have a BF for real and her friend was acting like an obstacle. You could even take that a step further and state that it was a colaberative shit test. HB Cowgirl tells the other girl to tell you that HB Cowgirl has a BF to see how you would react to the situation.

Although I'm getting this information in a vacuum, I do think there's a very high likelihood that she was ready for you to turn up the heat and make a move. If she really has a BF, then you probablly blew your chance (usually they cheat spontaneously, there isn't any premeditation). If she doesn't have a BF, then you still might be able to recover.

I'm not sure I'd contact her. I'm sure you'll run into her again. If so, start where you left off and try to escalate her.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;33684]Ah. Ok, so you did take advantage of the situation a little more than you first let on. That's good, even if she did have a BF, you still tried to push the interaction up the ladder of seduction.

I want you to think about something though. If you never found out that she had a BF, would you have continued escalating the interaction? Did hearing about her BF stop you from taking it to the next level, or did you just not get there? I suspect it's the former versus the latter, but I'm still curious.

She asked for your number multiple times, this shows A LOT of interest. Virtually every girl on the planet doesn't even bother unless they're interested AND, usually, they're VERY interested. Second, she came with the group to the bar (this is a bit of a stretch to assume that she was there for you, but given her insistance that she get your number it's very possible that she wanted to stay in proximity to you). Once at the bar, it seems that she continued interacting with you as if she were interested. Finally, was it just the two of you at Taco C? Or were there more? If it was just the two of you then that means she was ready to be seduced, if it was with a group it could mean nothing. Just depends.

In my opinion, there really were two scenarios with HB Cowgirl based on what I saw from your FR. Both are good:

1) She wanted to cheat on her BF with you. This may not be your thing, and I don't recommend it because it's a trashy thing to do to steal another man's girl from him. Even if he is a douche. It's especially shitty when you have our skill set...in that case, it doesn't even seem fair. Kind of like arm wrestling with a quadrapalegic.

2) She didn't have a BF for real and her friend was acting like an obstacle. You could even take that a step further and state that it was a colaberative shit test. HB Cowgirl tells the other girl to tell you that HB Cowgirl has a BF to see how you would react to the situation.

Although I'm getting this information in a vacuum, I do think there's a very high likelihood that she was ready for you to turn up the heat and make a move. If she really has a BF, then you probablly blew your chance (usually they cheat spontaneously, there isn't any premeditation). If she doesn't have a BF, then you still might be able to recover.

I'm not sure I'd contact her. I'm sure you'll run into her again. If so, start where you left off and try to escalate her.[/QUOTE]

Good stuff.

One thing I noticed, and this happens a lot, is that she didn't tell you that she had a boyfriend, but her friend did. Why wouldn't she tell you that? Think about it.

Husband is one thing, but boyfriend is something entirely different. I agree in principal with BR. I defer to him, but offer another perspective, which may be useful.

The term "boyfriend" is so vague. Attractive women always have some guy, or several, hanging around. You never know what that word means, especially with younger women. Sometimes it's a long distance relationship. Sometimes he's really into her and she's too compassionate to hurt him so she goes along with it (if another guy sweeps her off her feet and that hurts him, then that's not her fault, it's the other guy's fault). Sometimes it's an on-again-off-again affair that doesn't mean much. Sometimes she's with him by default and just looking for something better (younger women treat relationships like employment, you don't quit unless you have something else lined up). Sometimes he's an abusive dickhead (in which case I would stay away because there may be something about her personality that causes her to be attracted to abuse and chaos). And sometimes he meets all of her core values and it's something you don't want to get in the way of.

So another perspective is to keep up with the interaction until you learn what the word "boyfriend" means to her.