FR: All women are bisexual - The lesbian almost pull

[Guest]

[i]Disclaimer: I usually don’t post FRs unless it’s a situation that is new to me or that I reached a new plateau in my game or is something that is the hot topic of the community. If you want straightforward FRs then there are tons in the community that you can read and learn from.[/i]

This happened last month in Wilkes-Barre, PA. I was staying at the holiday inn and there is a TGIF attached to it. So I was hanging out at the bar in TGIF. There was a 3set that I was talking to. The set was a tough set and I kinda got into the entertainer mode. They left after about an hour of talking to me. Hugs all around and a cheek kiss from the target. I did not # close as it was my last day there. It was about 11pm and other than 2 couples, there was only a 2 set HB6 and HB5 that were left in the bar. I was about to call it a night when one of the girls in the 2 set looks at me. So I approach.

KR: I have a rule…if you look at me you need to say hi!
HB5: I wasn’t looking at you. I was looking at the guys at the other end of the bar. We know them.
KR: LOL…nice try…you can be honest with me. You couldn’t keep your eyes off me…lol
HB5: (smiling) no really.
It turns out they indeed knew the guys at the end of the bar, and HB5 leaves to go talk to those guys.
HB6: I will talk to you. I notice the ring on her finger and she says she is married and she is here to keep her friend company.

I tell her that I am going to call it a night as there are no girls to talk to. She points out a girl at the other end of the bar and I look and lo and behold there is a single HB7 at the other end of the bar. I am now seated at the bar next to this HB6. I call out to the HB7.

KR: Hey…
She looks at me and I motion her to come over.
HB6 in the meantime says to me : You should go over there.
KR: No…I am the man… I wear the pants and so she needs to come over.
HB6 is not expecting this and says something to the effect that the HB7 will not come over. Those of you who have sarged with me know that I do this all the time and the girls do come over. And sure enough HB7 comes over.
HB7: hi… I am HB7…how are you?
KR: We are doing good. What are you doing there with your computer?
HB7: I am a lesbian activist. I was checking out my website.
KR: Are you a lesbian…? (My hopes are diminishing)
HBLesbian: Yes I am…I have not been with a guy in 13 years. How old do you think I am?
KR: 75...LOL…
HBLesbian: I am 30… I swear...She was wearing no makeup and she looked 25.
KR: Come and join us… go grab your computer and stuff and come here.

HBLesbian goes to get her stuff. HB6 does not believe that the conversation just took place. I grab a chair in between HB6 and myself for HBLesbian to sit in and as soon as she is seated HB6 takes off to be with her friend HB5. At this point I didn’t care. My choices were married woman whose friend was interested in the guys at the other end of the bar or HBlesbian. I decide HBLesbian is a better choice as she is cuter for one and secondly I get this crazy idea.

Now every one of us have heard the community dogma, that all girls are bisexual. So if that were true I should be able to close this one if my game was tight. I decide to not take any chances and play my A game.

KR: So what do you do?
HBLesbian goes off into this whole story of how she was discriminated and victimized in college and she fought back and she became a lesbian activist. She has a powerful story and she tells it well. She travels all over the US lecturing to lesbian groups about fighting back and that’s how she makes her money. I only ran 2 routines on her. Gray elephants in Denmark and Cs vs Us. We then start talking about her ex GF. Let me tell you something guys…you and I have never had oneitis like this girl. She had serious oneitis and told me that she would do anything to get her GF back. I actually felt sorry for her. So I decide to help her. I tell her how active disinterest works and basically go over the “I have to fuck Darla method” by GWM. She is amazed at my understanding on how to pick up girls and I tell her a made up story of one of my bisexual exes who recently turned lesbian as it was much hotter. I can see now that she is enjoying the conversation and we are going on pure vibing. So I start making up stories about how me and my lesbian ex still make out and that making out is all about comfort and not about sex. HBLesbian eats it up. So I tell her that once in a while when we are cuddling my lesbian ex blows me.

I pace her reality by saying that she probably is not going to hear the truth from the gay community as they have an agenda. But in reality people do what they want. A truly liberal person follows their heart and goes with the flow. HBLesbian is in a sort of a trance now. Then suddenly, out of the blue she tells me that she had this amazing connection with a guy in Atlanta just a month ago. I realize that this is my first IOI. I ask her if she did anything with him. She said no and I should have probed further but I didn’t.

Its last call now.
KR: Hey, come over to my room, I will show you that article about how to get your GF back
HBLesbian: OK…she follows me to my room.

On the way we talk about what I want. I explain my MLTR concept and she talks about how she would think of it as cheating. I explain to her that she shouldn’t be so judgmental. She agrees that she is probably being judgemental.

We get into my room and she sets up her computer.
KR: Sit on my lap and show me your web page
HBLesbian: OK….she sits on my lap and shows me her web page. I then show her the article I had on “I have to fuck Darla method”

I play with her hair and she says nothing. I decide to escalate. I stand up and pull her close. She comes into me for a second and then suddenly pulls away.

And this is where I fuck up.

What I should have done is treated it like a regular pull and done a mini freeze out by walking away. Instead I fuck up and tell her to come closer as we have an amazing connection.
HBLesbian: What are you doing?
KR: I am pulling you close
HBLesbian: Well I am a lesbian. I have not been with a guy in 13 years.
KR: This is not about sex…this is about being close.

That’s how it started…And the next 15 mins we were arguing about why she wouldn’t make out with me. In the middle of this argument I realize that it’s all logical and I change the tune. I grab a pillow and hit her…
KR: Come on let’s have a pillow fight.
HBLesbian: (grins) grabs the pillow and hits me back

OK…. You guys would think that I actually am going to close this one after all. Well I think that I still could have at this point but I fuck up again. I try to pull her close and she pulls away again. Bad calibration on my part. I should have gone in with some more emotional stuff and changed the pace, watched TV or something other than logical. She shit tests me.

HBLesbian: So all you can think about is screwing me? It does not matter to you that I am a lesbian??

I again get dragged into a logical argument. I tell her how she has sold herself to the gay community and that she does not know who she is anymore. I continue that she is extremely conservative and she probably is a log cabin republican. She is taken aback and says that all her friends will vouch for her that she is really liberal. Then she says

HBLesbian: How would you feel if I were a guy…would you do what you’re doing??

And this is when I get really uncomfortable and I realize that I am going to lose. My inner game cant handle this. I say that we have both had a long day...Its 3am in the morning. We have been in the room for an hour and a half at least.

We make plans for having breakfast together and she goes to her room.

The next morning I called her for breakfast but she did not answer. She called me at 11am to tell me that she slept in. I had already left to catch a plane out of town.

Lessons learned:
1)I really think that there is truth to the community dogma that all women are bisexual. (She was not the butch lesbian kind. She was very feminine.)
2) Seriously learn that logic will never work with a woman. It will have to be a emotional thing.
3) I need to work on my escalation in isolation issues

That’s it guys…I am really looking forward to some good comments.

[Guest]

I'm not totally convinced that all women are bisexual. I think for some the idea of being with a man is repulsive.

I do 100% believe that women are TONS more likely to want to engage in bisexual activities than men.

Now, having said that, I do think every woman on earth loves a good stiff cock from time to time.

[Guest]

amen BR. Its not really sex anyway. Is a blowjob and cigar fuck sex? Stupid republicans LOL

[Guest]

Not a lot of time here but you are right up my street with TGIF pulls, out of town, on business, etc..

Obviously you have some nice game and it sounds like something I would do. Your ability to parlay the HB6 into HB7 by association was impressive. This is a key tactic again and again for me, numerous examples. Also notice how she pointed out the girl FOR you. This means you are not creepy = good.

IMO the issue here might have been"skin in the game" - not enough investment or moves (new locations - 2 only right?). Without a very strong connection and/or game this is hard game and sometimes girls just need that. Did you have the next day? Have her meet you for breakfast when you have exhausted the game (before actually) and you have the whole rest of it to get that shit on. Also are you sure she wasn't on the rag or whatever?

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ok this is some funny shit. I just re-read your post and you did plan to meet for BK and she flake. You had good game with this girl man - now she should be a guaranteed fuck for next time. Keep the text active (ish).

Cheers m8!!@!

HBLesbian: So all you can think about is screwing me? It does not matter to you that I am a lesbian?? (or any number of other excuses)
PUA: NO.
.. and go ;)

.. and the converse:
Natural (for want of a better word): It does not matter to you that I have a girlfriend/boyfriend/transvestite lover?
Girl: No.
.. and go ;)

"Its what a woman would do" â„¢