LR: ecstatic b/c I converted what I thought had failed!!

[relax]

So I had the following in my previous report as an addendum but that was when it was an FR. So tonight, I just turned it into an LR and I am happy to say that I think it deserves a thread of its own

Here's the breakdown:

Initial sarge + 1st Meet Up:
Ran quick game on a chick Saturday. My rap was 3-5 minutes max before I got her number. Then I texted her the next day, she didn't reply. I texted her the day after with a pathetic invitation for coffee. She agreed and we decided upon a time and place. I met up with her, hung out, tried everything in trying to extract her. Logistics sucked I guess because it didn't feel like it was my attract/comfort since I'd been running all of that. She told me that she leaves out of state this Friday which is perfect for me since I am bad with taking control and telling girls when to leave me alone. I'm more of the guy that just lets things die slowly :\ I need to work on that.. Anyway, from my previous FRs, ninjamatt and br were both telling me that I shouldn't drop people prematurely so I decided to take their advice and keep in contact with her.


2nd Meet Up:
I called her and invited her to my place the next night. She had a hard time with the directions so I suggested i'd go to her hotel room instead. I get there, talk for a bit, she suggests dinner and I agree. At the restaurant, I pulled out my card to pay for dinner but she paid instead, that was so nice of her! We go back to her place and I am kino'ing heavy and then pull her in. She's pretty resistant at first to me working but then she finally gives in and we start making out. Unfortunately, she stops my hands from going down there or to her boobs multiple times.. Finally i end up getting a handjob. She tells me that she's on her period and that she doesn't want to have sex with me because she doesn't want to ruin her memory of us with sex since she gets attached. I glimpsed what it was like for a girl at that moment when they connect strong emotions with sex. I left on a good note after a while.

3rd Meet Up:
I was feeling bored tonight and I called her sometime after she got off. She had texted me earlier and said she was thinking of me at work. I said a couple of dirty things on the phone, then told her that she should come over and hang out for an hour and then she can leave. She was a bit reluctant until I had mentioned the 1 hour part. Then she said yes. She came over and I teased her a bit before I started being very sexual and making out. Some slight LMR but eventually everything came off. Best fuck I've had in a while

[Morpheo]

That's awesome man! To think you can get that from 3-5 minutes of initial chit-chat inspires me to persevere.

How long have you been in the game? How often do you go out?

[relax]

That's awesome man! To think you can get that from 3-5 minutes of initial chit-chat inspires me to persevere.

How long have you been in the game? How often do you go out?

Yeah I learned how crazy it is to talk to a girl for 3-5 minutes and later be in bed with her hah. I learned about the community a while ago when I was looking for a girlfriend. Then I got one and we were together for a couple of years until last year when we broke up It's all good though, I started hitting the field again in December 2011. Mostly nightgame. Because of my schedule though, I've been doing a lot more day game recently which is how I met this girl.

It kinda sucks though because she's leaving back to her home state this Friday and I just got done having sex with her and she was crying because she felt a connection with me. I had to explain to her that she needs to think of me as an experience. I had to explain that her feelings of connection are not ATTACHED to me, that she can feel them with anyone else. I had to explain to her that she needs to think of me as a way to get her confidence up to get back in the dating scene again.

*sigh* the game is kind of fucked up sometimes man. I was feeling really good about my conquests until I had to face her tears and tell her all these things. To be in a relationship with her is impossible and just not what I want at this moment. I know this is totally not relevant to your question but I feel that I need to be prepared more for how to handle these type of issues when I'm progressing. Maybe next time, I will not even tread into rapport after sex. I mean we had barely seen each other for 3 days and I ended up impacting her life like this. This is not how I want to leave women. I want them to be happier after being with me especially since I will not be sticking around...

[Bull Run]

Relax:

Seems to me that you just busted through one of the prevailing myths in pick-up. The concept of leaving a woman better than you found them. That almost never happens. If you're doing it right, that woman will very likely never be with another guy such as yourself. Just like very few of us get to bang 9s and 10s on a regular basis, very few women get to experience what it's like to be with a guy that understands game and/or is very alpha. Very rarely do I think I've left a girl better off than I found her, save for the one night stands...even then, I'm sure a lot of those girls wish it grew into something else.

Once you start to see the downside to game. Once you understand how it changes you and your perspective on relationships and women. Then, you know that you've got a ton of experience, have had legitimate success, and have truly begun to internalize game.

Everyone jumps into game due to the allure of pulling hot ass. And, if you stick it out, you'll certainly be pulling much, much hotter ass than you ever have in the past. That's the promise and if you put forth the effort that promise will become reality. The problem is that guys never think about what it might cost you in the future. They never imagine how it can change you. I've been doing this a long time, going on 6 years now, and I've met dozens of legit PUAs. Most aren't active on the boards any longer. Many are settled down with someone or are happily single. When I sit down and grab a bite or drink with some of these guys more than you would expect say that they appreciate what game has done for them but if they were to go back and do it again, they wouldn't.

Personally, I go back and forth. When I'm in a relationship, I wish I never knew what game was (even though that's when you need it the most) because I get ancy. No matter how great the girl is, I start to seek out my next 'fix.' My next seduction. Eventually, I grow bored and leave. I've left some amazing women. My family, neighbors, and non community friends are almost always legitimately shocked that I've left some of the women I have. There are a lot of men out there that would kill to have been with some of these girls. Generally, after I leave, these women tend to adjust their expectations and settle, poor choice of words.

When I'm single, I'm so thankful that I do know game so that I'm not some frustrated beta male out there desperately seeking some pussy and settling for a fattie, ug, or overly entitled Uptown snob. And, knowing game has allowed me to have these relationships with the aforementioned women. The problem is that it's just not something you can turn off. It doesn't work that way.

Guess what they say is true. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it...

Anyways, congrads on the epipheny. Personally, I've always found it a little bit creepy for guys to be in game for a long time and never realize the swathe of destruction they sometimes leave in their wake. People get hurt and usually it's by our hands...granted life is full of pain but very often we put ourselves in position to levy more pain than a normal man ever has or could. It's that whole great power, great responsibility bullshit.

[Morpheo]

I'm glad you brought that topic up, Relax. That's something I have to be mentally prepared for in the future. Right now, I don't know how I would have handled that situation. Seems like you handled it well. If she lives out of state -- what can you do? It's a logistical deal-breaker.

[relax]

Bullrun:
Hey man, awesome insights in that post! It feels crazy to reflect and see the criteria in which most men select a 9 or a 10 in a female is so completely different than what a female thinks constitutes a 9 or a 10 in a male. They consider someone in that league as someone who knows the game while most men think of a woman's body. I'm not saying either one is bad or good. Just different and it's interesting when you think about it.

Something else I find interesting is how my attitudes are changing (uncannily like you mentioned). I used to seem to have accepted a lot of the general ideas/emotions I'm supposed think/feel from popular movies/tv shows/etc. But the more and more I delve into this game, the more I'm being more distant. Not really distant from human beings but more like distant from things I start to feel may slow or wear me down. That's not a bad thing in my opinion though.. I get to skip all this useless drivel of emotions that I am supposed to feel in between jumping from one girl to another. I am starting to like it. The idea of setting a goal and not letting those unnecessary things from bothering you.

It's still hard for me sometimes for certain things like grouped sets since I do a good amount of day game. Night game seems much easier for me when it comes to group sets. It's ok though, I just have to keep practicing. It's like a muscle

It's interesting what you mentioned about seeking a new next "fix". This seems to be the direction I'm headed in. I'm not necessarily bored and leaving because I'm not really at the level where I have a harem of women heh. I want to get to that level eventually but I'm at the baby steps at the moment. A lay here, a day2 there etc. But I do like this and therefore also LOVE the process heh.

Thanks for the congrats on the epiphany. I agree that it is a little bit creepy for guys to be in the game for a long time and never realize how much they've impacted people's lives. However, I suspect a couple of reasons for that; they are just inherently fucked up or they are faking their successes. Probably not really much of the latter since this seems something you can easily progress in.. it seems like you just need to have the determination and follow through to act upon it.


Morpheo:
You're right! I handled it the best I could at the time. Basically, I just did a lot of damage control and told her that she needs to get on with her life and not be so attached to me in the nicest possible way. The whole "see me as an experience" line heh. I guess when you do get in that situation, just realize not to do any heavy/deep rapport. I have no idea why I really do that sometimes. Jumping into deep rapport could just be a habit I think. Years and years of trying to relate with everyone. I used to do it a lot with night game and it became such a normal thing with me. With day game now, I've dropped a whole lot of it since it seems to have hindered more than helped me. At least that's my experience and others may feel different. "Different strokes for different folks" as they say!