first night sarging after months of reading - help?

[baldeagle]

hey all, i went out sarging for the first time last night after discovering pickup a couple months ago.

I spent a lot of time reading and trying to memorize routines, the pickup process, and for a while delayed just going out to test. i think it was a fear of rejection.

so i went out last night with a couple of buddies, and started opening sets at a bar in addison and then at plush in downtown.

i've used the ring routine in the past on people that i met through friends, but this was different as i was approaching 2 sets and 4 or 5 sets. i got mixed results and i came up short.

at the bar, i was leaning with my back against the bar and saw a couple standing to my right. I decided what the heck, i'll open them. So i used Style's bisexual girlfriend kissing routine. I asked them for their opinion on whether it's considered cheating if a girl makes out with a guy and girl just for fun and prefaced it that it was the main reason my friend didn't want to go out last night.

the guy and girl looked at each other and debated it for a bit and it was a good 3 minute conversation. it did what it was supposed too, open a set. i didn't take it further for a couple of reasons ... they were bf/gf and she was an hb5 and didnt have any interest. i just wanted to be able to open up my first set. i thanked them for their opinion and that i'll report back the results. i got a few laughs.

then we went to plush, and it was a little tougher. i saw HB6 and HB7 standing by the rails on the second floor and decided to open them up with the same routine. i got their attention and i got a few laughs and smiles. i thanked them and told them id report back the results to my buddy. this was around 11.15pm and so the club wasnt nearly as packed and it was easier to talk to people (music wasnt loud either). The thing that surprised me is that i didn't know what to transition to for a DHV to keep them engaged. any thoughts? I looked for rings for the ring routine, but no rings! I also forgot to put a time constraint.

so i walked away with a slight impression, but nothing that would get second or 3rd looks. then i saw a 5 set, and opened them by the entrance (my buddy who is a good looking guy was with me). I opened them with the same routine, and they were a little creeped out? they smiled (out of politeness) and gave me their opinion. I felt that they weren't having it, and decided to bail. i think it was my body language? But again, i didn't know what to do for a DHV. They were probably the wrong set to open.

It was the first night i put my self out there just opening sets and it felt great. while they never led to an A2 and beyond conversation, i broke the psyche in my mind that people would just reject me (which i think is a good step?). i felt that it was easier to open sets in bars than in clubs...the bitch shield and creep vibe were a lot less...

any tips or help or suggestions? also any thoughts on continuing the conversation? from the opener? I don't mind just changing the subject, as i think that's the best transition, but is it that the i need an opener that i can transition my own DHV routine?

would love to wing some experienced guys too if anyone is around.

[CasperKid]

Dude I know this is all like 4-5 months after the fact, but the ring routine should be done in isolation first of all. That's a technique you can be like "hey, I need to steal your friend for a second" to the group while already grabbing her arm and walking away. Then you show her the technique when alone.

Also, I like how you were opening the sets that were convenient for you because those are the best warm ups to do.

Your opening routine is a solid opinion opener I use too. After you ask the question and they answer, you can QUALIFY OR DISQUALIFY them. That's how you show your value. You demonstrate that you understand what is up and who they are.

So, let's assume that the girl says that kissing would be cheating. If you want to qualify her, then you would agree with her in any manner, I usually prefer milking it and going over the top. I will be like "I FEEL THE SAME WAY!! *high five* if she gives a lame high five I joke with her about it and tell her to give me a real one, then leave my hand up and try to grab her fingers if that makes sense... Then you are IN! Be like, I like you, whats your name.

If you want to Disqualify her. Then you can first give her a weird look like 'are you serious?' face, then turn to her friend and ask what do you think? If her friend gives the same answer, you act confused and you can be like "you must be best friends! (little pause to see if they say anything) How long have you known eachother?" If they answer, thats a DHV in itself, questions are compliance tests.

~CK