Ok let me begn by saying that there was a pickup culture in the 1970’s however I know little to nothing about it. So I will begin in about 1995 with the widespread emergence of the internet and the ‘modern’ pick community.
In the late 1980’s hackers and phone freakers used what they called social engineering to sometimes obtain passwords and access to sensitive information and systems. The social engineering was really the art of persuasion, It is only logical that this eventually became applied to picking up women. As Lewis De Payne put it, “there is nothing that the mind can not solve.”
The UseNet newsgroup alt.seduction.fast (ASF) was created by Lewis De Payne in 1994. Lewis was a student of the then guru Ross Jeffries. Lewis De Payne was also charged along with Kevin Mitnick(very famous hacker you should look him up) for hacking crimes in 1999. So it seems that the ‘Community’ grew out of hacker values, same as Apple and Microsoft.
Then about 1999 or so; Erik James Horvat-Markovic AKA Mystery appeared on the scene and his theories coalesced into a book called the FMAC manual. His first boot camps were horrible and he got bad comments from the members of the ASF. However he gave the game the one thing that Ross Jeffries never did…structure. That was what was missing from speed seduction. He was a genius in his own right. In about 2002 the newsgroup became so over run with spam that it moved to a moderated forum mASF at fastseduction.com.
In about 2004 the book ‘The Game’ was published and the community had moved into the spotlight and the market place. Far from its hacker roots it too had become commercialized like Apple and Microsoft and was no longer a free exchange of information.
I mourn what used to be.
And as a tribute to the old game I post here in it’s entirety…The October man pattern thread by in10se yes the same one in ‘the game’….now go and learn some NLP because all the REALLY good PUAs did.
in10se wrote:October Man
Ok here goes..Are you familliar with Tension Loops? If you have
Swinggcats book its about that story of the cat named
girl-george...Pain/Pleasure/Pain Push/Pull kinda thing..Thats the
General Patronage version, in the context of October Man, you have to
amp up the pain and the pleasure..Everytime you talk bout anything
pleasurable you anchor it to you physically or just by special
gestures, I do it by by a unique stare...Everytime you go to Pain you
anchor it away by gesturing, or just look away..Remember to really
bring out her Pleasurable states by patterning or just Trance Hi-Jack
or create that into filters, SRT just as used in the new SS
model..Really work on the postive states, stack them up multi-modal
anchoring, then immediately contrast it with something really Painful
and terrible...Imagine a faliming ball of fire, then freezing it till
it becomes ball of ice, then heating it up till it ignites, the
contrast has to be that intense and RAPID FIRE, no fluff talk if
possible... If your familliar with Fractionation, you'd have already
noticed that at each pass YOU ARE BUILDING RESPONSE POTENTIAL on both
polarities..Each pass you fractionate the pain so its intensifying,
while also intensifying the pleasure back to you...Do multi Anchoring
for pleasure states to be more effective i.e. simulatenous touch,
tonality,stare etc....
Heres the part why they banned it..Their analogy is bringing nukes in
a gunfight, its that powerful...Are u familliar with TimeLines, Change
History Pattern or the "February Man" by Erickson?? Same principle you
visit her in her timeline, in the future or in the past and evoke the
things that were painful then..Work it, then be like The Knight In
Shining Armor, protector and how things could have been better if you
were there to shield her, bring her safety etc.. THOSE periods in her
life she needed someone, and nobody was there...In the pleasurable
moments, you can "steal" them and make them stronger or many times
better had you been there..
If youre gonna use this, please avoid the TimeLine part..The Tension
Loop from hell is enough to get you fast connections..It time distorts
them automaticallly and she feels safe with you... Dont do this in
situations with a lot of stimuli or distractions like CLubs etc...
The hospital pattern below is an example how pain/Pleasure works.. Try
also the "Door Pattern" in the SS quick reference book i've
attached....
The Hospital pattern:
a) did you ever know someone that went into a hospital and never came
back?
b) its amazing how often people just go and never come back
c) If you like what we have, remember that I could leave you and
never come back.
Now you just capture the pieces into a nice little story. If you can
use touch or smell, the anchors are that much more powerful.
To lover:
Did you hear about (insert famous person or aquintance) who went to
the hospital for something (anchor here) and never came out?
By the way, I had a doggie that I loved and one day it just
disappeared (use same anchor here with more intensity), {keep building
value of doggie} she was so good to me, she would wait for me after
school and she would just kiss me and knock me down ever so gently.
We would roll on the floor and play all kinds of games.
We would chase each other, she would fetch for me, she even slept in
my room (what could you do with this?) but then one day, I came
looking for her and she wasnt there. You have no idea what it feels
like to loose someone like that (anchor). For days you look for her,
you post posters, you post rewards. No matter what you do, its over,
gone out of your life. (anchor).
____
Clearly, tonality, certainty and body language will have much to do
with your results.
________
The last thing I remember was when I left and she kissed me, (anchor)
and I never saw her again. I wouldnt wish that (anchor) on anyone.
______
I sure enjoy you (fire anchor) and I am having a blast getting to
know you. I know you'll miss me (fire anchor).
_____
The anchor will be set and you can use it anytime. The power of the
pattern is in creating a solid story, use voice, touch and any other
compound anchors that you can.
By the same token you can create:
The broken window pattern
The stolen art pattern
The solar eclipse pattern
The lost shoe pattern
The lost ring pattern
The final goodby pattern
All of these are only limited by your imaginations.
**************oh and one more (i'm going through my old SS
files)******************
THE GEMINI / DARK SUN
Once in rapport.
Possible theme - 'Different places in the mind'
"You know, we've been taking for a while now and I feel that you're
somebody who understands herself and somebody I can get an honest
answer from" - Set up and Challenge
"Do you think that most men understand what women really want/need?"
Likely answer - "No"
"I agree, you see I've come to an understanding about women that a
lot of my friends/a lot of men will never get, It's an understanding
I've come to be really opening my mind...."
"...my understanding is, I actually think that inside every woman
there are infact 2 women"
"On one hand there is the culturally programmed woman, the one with
all of the social rules and roles (give a couple of examples here -
make it sound really opressive and miserable - lol)."
"but then on the other hand there's the natural woman...that's the
place where you keep you most exciting memories, where you ponder
fantasies, daydreams, amazing possibilities...the kind of things you
do if no-one were watching and the things you wouldn't even want
your best friends to know that you dream about and long for..."
"...and oftentimes what happens is, because of the roles that
society forces you to play, or maybe a relationship that you're
already in that resticts you, a person has to lock those parts of
them away and keep them safe...and yet they are still there...deep
inside...just waiting to emerge"
***notice response here and anchor - if you wish*****
"So...2 questions that I like to ask myself are...
...what is it about the way certain people affect us that causes us
to think of this person <sp> in that special place...to hear this
voice...to see this face...to feel this presence in that special
place...in such a way that no matter how much we try to deny that
desire to act...it just takes on a life of it's
own...complelling...vivid....REAL!....
...where that voice inside says YES, I want to step into this
special place, with this special person <sp> and explore anything
that we can make real together"
"and the other question.... (as if that wasn't enough - lol)
...what would it be like for a person, to just right now, feel all
of those hidden parts and desires wake
up....ready....willing...alive...right now, realizing that this is
the main chance <sp>, the moment, a chance to move in a nude
erection, and the thing about nude erections is that it's not
enough to just ponder it, you've got to reach out and grab it and
act on it right now..........................
Later
-Rockstar
