Routine Stacks

[playercool]

I tend to run a somewhat direct game mixed with some MM. For example I have never opened a group with an opinion opener.

What I am really lacking is a good routine stack. I am wondering what some of you guys are using.

For example a two set of girls walks by. They definitely want to be opened and I do open them. Here is how an interaction went last night.

Playercool: Ohh hello...
HB's: Hello. They go totally AFC like here and introduce themselves.
Playercool: So how do you guys know each other?
HB's: Blah Blah we work together.
HB's: Another AFC question where do you live?
Playercool: Just incase they were trying to figure logistics I tell them right down the street. Normally early in the evening I might say something totally gay like Castle Greyskull.
HB's: So are you from here though?
Playercool: Yah DFW area what about you guys?
HB's: Blah Blah but she is from Michigan.
Playercool: Michigan blows I bet you are glad to be here.
HB: Yah Texas is way better I love it here.
Playercool: Blah Blah here is where things go south. My usual wing and his girl come up and I introduce them. His girl starts chatting up the girls and I back turn and talk to someone else.

I will be the first to admit I did not really control this interaction. On top of that I never took it anywhere and did not run any game whatsoever. This is why I bring it up though. I am really lacking in this department. I mean some times I can run some awesome game but it is really just natural game mixed with negs and some MM. I want to be able to pull MM out and run it perfectly.

I need some awesome routine stacks in order to achieve this. So what are your routine stacks? How do they change when you are gaming a 2 set, 3 set, etc.

[Welsh_Dragon]

My advice to you is forget all about the routines and just ad lib everything. Takes practice to get really good but at least you are on the long hard road to achieving something worthwhile.

HB selection process is designed to test your frame. Scripted material by definition is at odds with your goal to deliver GENUINE CONGRUENCY at all times. This leads to comfort and beyond.

Responding to shit tests with BL (usually) or occasionally verbal frame challenge (i.e. BL of : You don't deserve to be shit testing me I'm not a douche like all the other guys) is the only way to ultimately pass. In my observation.

Ironically this is almost impossible to demonstrate except in person so these boards are generally little help. Good for the $$ guys I suppose..

[Alphagame]

I agree, using routines can be bad when you eventually run out of routines...it's like the real you is exposed. And sometimes, you get tired of saying the same shit over and over. You start to feel like a social robot at times.

However, having some "routines" available can often allow splinter conversations to run from the routine. And don't make the mistake of thinking that you can bring up a routine, which is just a story about something that's recently happened to you, because it's off topic.

Routines don't have to be that interesting...they just need to be something to hopefully prevent an uncomfortable lull in the conversation. One of my favorites is "Who sings that song? Oh, wait don't tell me. I know this, it's on the tip of my tongue." Another good example is, "You know, I was in Walgreens' earlier today and I noticed they had this new gatorade, G2. I read the label and it's the same size as the regular but it's only got like 50 calories. Have you tried it yet?" Then you can splinter off, hopefully, into real conversation, about dieting, aspertame, whatever. Another one I use is, "Oh shit, I nearly forgot my vitamins. Man, my mom bought these for me, and they really seem to work. This one is fish oil, and I got this problem, where, like, if I forget to floss for 2 or 3 days, next time I do, my gums bleed really bad. This fish oil helps a bunch. You ever take vitamins?"

Another really good lull killer I use, is, "Ok, I'm gonna give you three clues. This was a sitcom that aired in the late 90's. Let's see if you can get it. First clue..."

Another thing I like to do with the men, is, avoid conversations you wouldn't want to have with women...like politics, religion and logical stuff, like engines and motor oils. Practice holding conversations with men that women could participate in.

There are so many ways to start and keep conversation going, but you just have to get some practice. At first, holding conversation with women is a lot more intimidating, but once you get to where you can you keep conversation with men, holding conversation with women is just around the corner.

I've been practicing and working to improve this within myself for a solid 8 months now, and I still struggle with the lull after the approach.

One thing I did and still do, is, when I go out for dinner or whatever, I always sit in the bar area of the restaurant and I open strangers up into normal conversation. The interesting thing is, they NEVER open me. I ALWAYS have to open them. 90% of the time it's other men that I'm opening up. And somehow, by making the "approach", you seem to take alpha role. This skill helps in all of life. And even if you're on a date, if you're constantly opening others into conversation, this continues to build attraction. Women love a guy who's outgoing and social.

Be prepared to monologue 90% of the conversation with a target initially. For me, that generally means I need lots of "routines" ready to go. The lull in the conversation, as you are learning, is a guaranteed blow out every time. It's instinctive...if he can't hold conversation, he's probably not a leader of men...a turn off.

I agree with Welsh Dragon, if you can get away from "canned" routines, you're better off.

[EL CHUPACABRA]

Stacking routines is a suggestion so that you don't walk in to a situation all tongue tied and crap.. You kinda know what to say before you walk up to the target with routine stacking. This makes your conversation flow like a pro... my brother from another mother!

[photomaker]

What I do is practice, practice, and then practice again my set stacking. On my way home from work while normally sitting in traffic I turn the radio off and starting practicing outloud my scripts. Then, I practice stacking them in all different orders. For some reason I am more comfortable saying scripts aloud in the car. (You'll even roll up on a HB in the car next to you and I try to pull a script from my mind quickly.) The hope is my reaction time will be quicker in an actual setting.

Some of my stacks work like this: 2 important rules I have learned is always include time restraints when I open and ALWAYS include the neg.

Me: Hey Guys quick question I'm meeting a few friends of mine so it'll just take a sec but would you guys ever go on Montel?? (I know its cheesy and seems like we all have heard it but I haven't been called out on it yet.) Never square up shoulders to target her stay turned as if you are walking away any second.

HB: Montel??

Me: You know the talk show??

HB: Well, maybe I guess it depends

Me: Well the reason I ask is because a buddy of mine got a call and it was the show wanting him to come on. Only catch is you dont find out who admires you secretly, till you get there. So could be some chick, could be hot, or could be some dude you just dont know.

HB: Yeah, I dont know if I would or not. Bla, bla



Stack:

Me: Did you guys see that fight outside?!?!

HB: No, what really, what happened?!?!

Me: So there were these two girls outside talking shit with each other over some dude named Juan!?!?! So they start going at it as I'm walking in and the guy goes to split them up. But, he doesn't really help and its almost like 2 on one you know?? As he's pulling one of the girls back the other keeps coming and grabs her blouse and pulls it down and her breast comes out. (Normally get a sigh or a big laugh out of that one) Now normally I would say hey welcome to Dallas right!! But this was like a saggy baggy booby from national geographic. HAHAHA

Normally I will get some Kino or an IOI and a big laugh out of this one. This one is great to cause if guys are in your set they will become interested as well and you can get there approval at this point to DHV.


Stack:


Neg: Normally with these two stacks I can get some things going and then I try to neg my target while I have evryones attention. When the target laughs at the previous script or slams the bar in excitement or hits your arm I use the neg.

O My God is she always like this where's her off button?? If set is still going good at this point I continue if not and they go into there instinct scripts I bounce.

Follow: So how do you guys know each other?? or something open like that.

HB: Bla, Bla, Bla So what do you do here in town?

Me: I'm a screw threader

HB: A what?!?!

Me: You know the threads in screws

HB: No you dont what do you really do??

Me: Ok, I'm a professional hopscotch player. HAHAHAH

HB: IOI, IOI, IOI usually.

ME: Hey so I'm trying to plan a bachelor party and do I want strippers or no?? Would you guys be cool with your fiance having strippers at your party?!?!



Thats my master formula and it has done me well many times. Hopes this helps some.

Alot, of these scripts I got from Mystery and have memorized them perfectly so once you have them down packed all you have to do is pull up that script in your head then you know the entire phrase down packed and can really sell it with body language and smiles and all that good stuff with confidence.

Photomaker

[Smirks]

I don't see any problem having a routine stack in the back of your mind in case you find yourself w/ a blank mind.

But, I'd strongly suggest writing your own stack...don't use made up shit.

Just sit down and think of some shit you've experienced and make the stories thread in and out of each other. I have one that might help you start your own.

I have a scar on each side of my head. Each has a story, and I go through them...start w/ the serious one then go through the 3 hilarious ones.

[playercool]

Why I want some stacks.

I want to attract HB9++'s. I don't believe in 10's. If I see a super amazing good looking girl I want to be able to open her and run some amazing game. I personally believe you need some really good game to get a girl like this. As I am going out and having success it is amping me to game higher quality girls.

What I am talking about can be found at Captain Jacks blog. If you have ever read his PDF's with all his old posts you will know what I am talking about. I believe he scored a ton of girls from having a set stack. He even talks about it. Hell the guy used to go out and never get girls. He started doing canned openers and stacks and bam got girls. There is a ton of be said about this and how powerful they are.