Help me with this stripper!

[omni]

I need your help brothers.

I went to check out The Lodge with a friend after work earlier this week. We just hung out with the girls, talked, and laughed. We definitely got along better with them than most of the other guys there who were probably just ATMs to these girls.

So there was one girl that I really liked (a definite 9.5-I don't believe in 10s). She mentioned how so many guys tell her she's hot and she hates it because she doesn't know how to take it. I immediately made fun of her for whatever I could think of (mainly a barely-noticable tiny scar on her shoulder) . It seemed to work; she got really self-concious and kept seeking approval. Whenever she'd get bored, she made her way back over to me and began talking. So it looked OK. Still, you can't ever tell with a hired gun.

So this is the deal. She mentioned that she's always dated older guys because she has daddy issues (her words). She said the youngest guy she's dated was 30, and that was when she was 18. She's in her mid 20s now. So how do I make the most of this opportunity? I'm only in my late 20s but I was dressed up (for work) so I may have looked early 30s. I don't know if this made a difference to her. She also mentioned that she wanted to get to know a guy before dating him. She specifically mentioned not dating strangers. Apparently she ended up unknowingly seeing a married guy once (and immediately broke up with him once she found out).

I need to know your best advice for picking up a dancer who admits to liking older guys (when I'm only 3 years older). General dancer advice is welcome too. I'm not necessarily wanting a LTR here, and there's defintiely no one-itis going on. But I want to make the most of this because she's gorgeous and my friend (who was busy with 2 girls of his own) mentioned that I seemed to be doing well. She's a cool chick too.
So HELP. Thanks guys.

[Westfall]

So this is the deal. She mentioned that she's always dated older guys because she has daddy issues (her words). She said the youngest guy she's dated was 30, and that was when she was 18. She's in her mid 20s now. So how do I make the most of this opportunity? I'm only in my late 20s but I was dressed up (for work) so I may have looked early 30s.

What I am saying is not going to make sense to you, but trust me it works.

When she said she likes 30+, you should disqualify yourself by saying something like Oh, I understand that, you like mature guys who are at least 30 years old....I like to do this with this big goofy grin on my face that makes the girl think Im about to seek her approval by telling her I fit her mold (in this case that Im 30+)....

Then I'd tell her "But it won't work out between us because Im only 25..."

This will shock the fuck out of her. This subcomunicates SO MANY THINGS.

1) She doesn't have to worry about you lying to her or trying to decieve her into getting something....

2) You are a guiniune person

3) You are not seeking her approval.

4) You are confident in who you are--your age.

5) You are going to force her to start thinking about making an exception to her rule--ie, she is going to try to qualify you...."Well, if a guy were a really mature 25 year old....I might date him"

6) You are unlike almost every guy she's ever met.

and 7) Why isn't this guy into me enough to lie!?

The Lodge, you say? What's her name, I might know her....

Westfall

[omni]

I actually did something close to that. I told her that I'm too young for her without mentioning as specific age. When she said she had daddy issues, I told her "that's ok, the first step is admitting you have a problem."

Another weird thing she mentioned is that she doesn't go out. She got burnt out on the party scene and pretty much either is at work, at home, or just hanging with friends (who are older). I told her she sounds boring and she agreed that she is. She also belched around me twice (about an hour apart) and mentioned getting boob sweat because her top didn't breathe well. I made fun of her for all of that.

I know that sounds gross, but it actually let me know she was comfortable. Should I just do more of the same over the next few weeks? I've never done this before. I need all the help I can get.

[TopDog]

man i know they can be hot, but why waste time going after a stripper when there are so many hot normal women.

sure you said you don't want an LTR, but why deal with any of the baggage...

[RockStar]

follow the M3 model to the letter. It works flawlessly on strippers for some reason.

[zine]

man i know they can be hot, but why waste time going after a stripper when there are so many hot normal women.

sure you said you don't want an LTR, but why deal with any of the baggage...

I agree I've met alot of strippers with baggage and some fucked up mindsets, but I've also met a few that were truly amazing women if I don't judge them too soon. Give em a chance lol. My question is is if you met a stripper just during the day at the store and didn't know she was a stripper would you feel the same way about her?

As for what to do in your situation omni, I agree with westfall
If what you are doing is working then why not continue doing it?

[Bull Run]

man i know they can be hot, but why waste time going after a stripper when there are so many hot normal women.

sure you said you don't want an LTR, but why deal with any of the baggage...

Strippers are fucked up dude.

I've dated a couple in my life (before I ever joined the Community, I used to be the smart guy that tutored strippers in college and somehow my awkward ass ended up in their social circle) and they are almost always FUCKED up. They hate men. They are usually addicted to some sort of drug. Most have been abused in some fashion by a man.

I've literally had a stripper break down in tears in my bed after we had sex because "sex reminds [her] of the emotional and physical abuse that she endured at the hands of her older brother". They aren't so sexy when they're snotting all over your 1,000 thread count sheets. Drop it, move on, find a well adjusted girl...they're few and far between but they do exist...I think.

[Westfall]

man i know they can be hot, but why waste time going after a stripper when there are so many hot normal women.

sure you said you don't want an LTR, but why deal with any of the baggage...

Aw fuck, this again...

Can we all stop acting like strippers are some sort of abnormal emotionally unstable women? (NOTE: Yes, I know emotionally unstable women is a pleonasm--but I don't care)

I realize that statistically, women who are strippers are statistically more likely to have been sexually abused and more likely to be addicted to drugs... But these are the factors I screen on, not profession.

I've met several strippers that are quite intelligent and very stable. I recall one stripper I met in a bar that was (almost) able to keep up with me in a conversation about finance & investing. She had arranged her life financially far more responsibly than almost all non-stripper girls. And yet her number one complaint was how guys (and her family) judge her for being a stripper.

Do you have any idea how fast Lord Westfall would rip his clothes off if people pay him to do so? Regretablly they do not, however, I would argue that being a stripper would be the natural outcome of logical thought for a rational girl. Think about it, show a little interest to AFC guys get paid barrels of $$$....it's almost illogical not to be a stripper.

It is extremely arrogant, judgemental, and condesending to assume a girl is not normal or unstable just because she is a stripper.

Damn, I just thought of a great opener at the airport.

WF: I'd love to get to know you but I don't date women with a lot of baggage...

Westfall

[Westfall]

I've literally had a stripper break down in tears in my bed after we had sex

Me too...but that's just because I'm really bad in bed...

WF

[TopDog]

man i know they can be hot, but why waste time going after a stripper when there are so many hot normal women.

sure you said you don't want an LTR, but why deal with any of the baggage...

It is extremely arrogant, judgemental, and condesending to assume a girl is not normal or unstable just because she is a stripper.

yea, i realize it's a stereotype, and i realize there are great normal stable ones, you said it yourself, the statistics prove out. I didn't have time to type out all the qualifiers to the statement.

Anyways, that discussion has been hashed out before over and over, and so has stripper game. DAFS over at mASF, it's all there for the interested