Turning Day 2s into LTRs and FBs

[tsalagi]

As written on stylelife forum by me

Hey guys, I am currently in a personal 30 day challenge to clean up my life, and I have been making a few reflections on game, love, and life. I notice on this forum that there is alot of info about opening, gaming, and then day 2s, but not much after that. I think this is a super important part of "winning" the game.

First and foremost, let me tell you that it will not always work. This is true for all methods. I recently had a supreme failure with [url="http://www.stylelife.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=34058"]the date from hell[/url]. You must accept this, admit failure and learn for it. However, understand that there is always something you could have done differently.

Of course, you must get to the Day 2 stage. I use this date as a way to assess her potential. One way in particular I do this for LTRs is I let the conversation trail off, and if she picks it back up, then I know that I won't have trouble communicating with her. The most important thing you can do on a day 2 to lay the groundwork for LTRs or FBs is to leave open loops. If you are meeting somewhere public, use lines like "You have to see my painting of a chinese monkey." or something. My favorite/best is "I have the most comfortable bed on campus". This always gets a "no way!" I'm in.

When you lay the groundwork, you remain interesting and mysterious. In tdfh, i tried to save it by talking and telling stories that would normally be DHVs and i messed that up. Keep your conversation light, but at some point a shift must happen if you want to escalate this. I usually go with the "slip and slide method" (yes, i just made that up). I will start talking about kissing or sex, depending on the girl. Usually I throw in negs, but never too much. She will always talk about that stuff as long as she feels comfortable with you. It physically turns women on, and all you have to do is facilitate the conversation.

Once that conversation gets going, then finish it, and leave. Seriously, after she has shared, I will find a reason to leave, because it leaves the girl associating you with feelings like sex/kissing. If i have to day 3, I will just lay more groundwork to associate good feelings with me. (Note: I don't know nlp, and I have looked at OMS, but there aren't any crazy magic mind tricks i do) This whole time, keep a confident, likeable frame. Remember, you are the prize, and she needs to work for you.

If you have made it past these stages, she should feel comfortable to come to your house. Cook, watch a movie or something, but this is where my kino comes into play. On all the dates, i would playfully touch her and things to keep her used to it. I will put my arm around her, and get her to give me a backrub, say she sucks, then me do it to her. (Another note: google massage . best idea i have ever followed through. if you can do this, she will love you). This is mad kino, and I will usually run a kiss gambit (how good of a kisser are you?)

After this, you are on your own to pursue what you wish. Once you have kissed, you have the ability to do anything, with any girl. After this, it is all about managing expectations and being honest with her. Best of luck and I hope this helped.

-Ryan

PS. WF, El Fenix, Finesse, yall know more about this stuff, so please help if you wish.
PSS. You really need to check out my painting of a chinese monkey.

[Finesse]

Please don't mistake my knowing about an issue as an all encompassing knowledge base. I honestly suck at this, still. Like Topo is saying this is a lifestyle change, that spans a lifetime.

From my experiences, anything is possible at any point in the PU up until seduction, you just have to calibrate the girl. A party girl is more agreeing possibly to go home with a guy that night, vs. a once a monther. Judge the amount of comfort you will need and go from there. It's porportional to time. A once a monther may take at least a day 2 to crack and a party girl will most likely go home with you that night. Although this circumstance isnt always the case. Its just a percentage of possibilties.

You can have a girl at your place the same night, or on the day 2 if you play the cards right, no problem. You are right is all about comfort though. If she's not comfortable then she wont do very much with you. Just some girls take more or less.

I agree with you, actually getting the day 2 is a very important part to most peoples game.

Seeding, is up there. You sort of mentioned it when you talked about leaving open loops. The goal is to bring these seeds up a little later in the interaction to see if she shows intrest, and if she does then later you can invite her along.... tag along... help me out since you better at this.. and so on.

People usually just focus on phone numbers and forget about the day 2's they dont corrulate the 2 as intertwining. This is something I still have problems with. The day 2 should be the reason for the number, not get the number to "hang out". If you do it right though you should solidify the day 2 AND a non-flaky number.

Also on day 2's you have to ASK FOR THE ORDER. I have seen guys say, "Im chasing her." and "Thats showing to much intrest." but youre not, if you never ask for the order how is she supposed to say she'll come see you?

Day 2s as you said are usually ment to fill the "7 hours", which isnt really nessacary anyway, but what I mean by fill the "7 hours" is develope enough comfort to play my favorite game, "Just the tip, just for a little bit to see how it feels." Your "c2" phase comes in here. During your comfort phases though you need to be physically escalating though. If youre not then your wasting time, because shell LJBF you or get bored..... or who knows.... you may get lucky. Its all a percentage game.

Think of it like this.

I see a girl. I would like to show her my sausage and I want her to take it. If I don't open then I have virtually a 0% chance of meeting her.
If I open, I have a 100% chance of meeting her. How close am I to my goal.... not very close by a long shot but at least Ive met her.

So lets lay the ground work shall we? What has to be met so that I may have sex with the lady? It's basically a check list of constants, with a percentage based system for each in which case the overall percentage will determine whether you get to "hid the eggroll."

Opening only accounts for 10% of the total to meet my goal.
-Body language while opening 3% effectiveness of the 10% total
-Tonality 3%
-Kino 1%
-Rooting opener 2%
-FTC 1%
You need at least 5% to move on to the next stage. It's like 5% buys you the next 2 minutes.

This is just a basic non tested layout BUT, its the theory here that is important. In any interaction its extremely detailed and all on the fly. But basically. The opener accounts for 10% of the likelihood that you will accomplish your goal of sex. In which, if you open with good body language and tonality but you skip the FTC, root, and KINO you could still make it to the next stage of the interaction.

There are so many parts to the pick up though so it's hard to make an accurate model... but im trying.

I have to go right now but when I get back Ill post more about the comfort stage which includes the day 2's.

[El Fenix]

Day 2's
I'll have to be honest here about my strengths and weaknesses. Attraction has always been something I've had to work at. I got the comfort and seduction side much better.
My problems have always been on the front end. That's why I started working out(partially. its more for me than anything else),l learned how to dress, and out of frustration, found the community. I was always the LJBF guy, and it drove me NUTS!

ON Topic: Do something fun.
Also play 20 questions. Great way to reveal to eachother. And you can take it more sexual also.
One of the things I LOVE doing on as a Day 2 type activity is go to a book store and run around the store picking out books that represent you, your favorite band, ect. I've gotten good feedback on this.

Another one is going to a clothing shop and playing dress up. She picks out stuff for you, and vice versa. It's fun, especially if you go to a funky place like Buffalo exchange. Yes, you do look funny in that bad leisure suit from the 70's! Also you can take pics while doing it.

Remember a few venue changes, and kinda make it a suprize. Like go to a bookstore for the book activity, then grab dessert from somewhere close. The leading of the interaction builds her attraction. Much has changed but women want a man who can LEAD. Not in a tool kinda way, but as a strong, confident person who knows where he is going.

Case in point. I did exactly what I said about the book activity, then went a few doors down to grab some cheesecake. When we were trying to decide where to sit, she suggested a place, and I said. "why dont we sit over there? (to a different table) and put my hand on the small of her back, and led her over there. I later debrifed her(we wound up dating for a while) and she said that THAT was the moment she really started being attracted to/had feelings for me.

Thats all I got for now. More to come later.