Value Adjustments

[Welsh_Dragon]

First let me preface this post by saying I am by no means an expert here and these are purely observations from field work (the ONLY way to learn anything at all in my opinion). If this is obvious to you I apologize for wasting your time. I have read fairly extensively the different styles, techniques, tricks and tips out there and one thing that confused me slightly at first was the neg and when to use it. That is the topic of this post.

Initially I incorrectly assumed that a neg should always be used in all sets and would add to my game under any circumstances. This belief stemmed primarily from ignorance. It also came from the very reason I got into the scene in the first place – a Podcast I listen to by a popular British comedian where a very AFC (but famous and rich to boot) screen writer referenced The Game by Neil Strauss and how he and his friends tried to apply negs to all the girls they met.

The first thing I figured out (again this is just my opinion) from reading the various PUA stuff is that negs are designed to bring down the value of HBs who perceive they have higher value than you. The trouble at the beginning when you are just starting all of this however is that you have no real idea of your “core” value level until you go out and game with a lot of chicks to see which ones will AI or IOI you just based on your looks, confidence and perceived value proposition. Do this enough and you will know almost intuitively where she is base value wise compared to you without much effort.

A side note here - this is not to be confused with the Tyler Durden method of flipping the S/C switch early – you still need her to be chasing you from a very early stage if you hope for an f-close. I achieve this with some generic negs, typically with body language, to the HB I want right out of the gate until I see her trying to game me. Unless she literally throws herself at you immediately (which does happen) you need to establish being the prize but I’m sure you all knew that already.

Back to the core point then. What I have noticed works well is bringing the chick right to or ideally just below your value level (in her perception) so she considers you her ideal man. You do this with subtly placed negs and/or compliments. Too far a differentiation and she will resist for fear of rejection (you have much higher value than her) or in the case where she has much higher value than you she worries about what her friends / other people think (pretty much all they care about).

Most of the basic stuff I have read (foundations in Gunwich, etc…) enables you to bring your “core” value level up as high as possible and obviously this takes work, practice and time. Looks and style are important but not key and I have found most women respond to status, confidence and other value indicators just as well if not better. My value is fairly high to begin with (the accent doesn’t hurt) so I tend to find myself actually doing the opposite of the neg and bringing HER value up with well placed compliments. Note here that no HB wants to hear she is anything less than a 10 so if you use any kind of linear compliment she must be at the very top of the scale (most beautiful girl in here, 10/10 etc... you get the point). You can increase a 7 to an 8 or 9 (in her perception) this way pretty easily. I am not sure how far you can go with this – I don’t try to game anything less than a 7 (my scale which we all know is different for every guy).

So to summarize what has worked pretty well for me thus far is the following:

1. Gague my “core” value level with practice in the field and know intuitively where I stand compared to most HBs immediately. Any efforts made to improve this core value level are worthwhile.

2. Establish what she thinks (through body language, conversation, etc…) of her value proposition compared to yours in any given set.

3. Flick the S/C switch.

4. Calibrate her up or down so she is just below you (or at your level is OK too).

5. Get laid (with correct ongoing game of course. Read about how to control buying temperature, state changing, etc… there is a lot).

Again this is my first post so feel free to call me full of shit and the like. I wanted to at least post something interesting not just “I got laid with HB8 blah blah blah”.

One other final thing I find is good to do in the bar/club environment is to dismiss UGs or low value chicks who approach (usually with kino or whatever). Blow them out just like HBs do with lower value guys. This shows the HBs you will get laid tonight it’s just a question of who you choose (flipping the S/C switch automatically).

Peace.

[Mojo]

Yo Dragon,

Nice post. Negs is one area that takes time to become proficient at - proficient in knowing how to say it and knowing WHEN to say it, or when NOT to say it. You are making nice progress.