Dallas PUA

I was reading El Topo's blog and I came across a curious statement. Here is the quote:

One of the things to know about game, is that I am sick of seeing these post about how masterful and amazing some of these PUAs are. If only you saw them out and saw how many times they got blown out.
I really don’t know anybody better than CJ, Sinn and the Ca Pimp, and when I hear lay reports like ‘I am awesome, and you should kiss my ass’ I think to myself… I know that guy… convenient how you leave out the 25 sets of so you get blown out of every night. Good to hear you get laid a few times a month.

Of all the things this guy has said, I believe this is most true. While most are out (as I was once) looking to do that perfect approach, with the perfect opener, the perfect DHV and attraction and the right reactions.

This is probably one of the biggest myths we have here in the community.

I've had guys like Captain Jack tell me "I suck". I've seen Mystery out and thought "he's ok". He was just sitting there in the bar and he had a few girls around him but he was more or less just chillin, nothing special. Nothing that would make you go "WOW! He's a Pickup Artist!!!!".

I remember reading a similar sentiment on Zan's archive. He said "Most guys do not have the intestinal fortitude to do what we do."

I take that to mean all the rejections.

Of course doing good approaches, good banter, good lines and leading and all helps.

But you can do the perfect approach and still not go home with anyone. You can fail miserably and have shitty nights.

The difference I have come to believe is...to quote Tony Robbins "Its not what happens to you...its what you do with what happens to you."

Tony also says you must determine:
1. What is important 2. What things mean and 3. What to do about them.

This happens all the time regardless if you direct your awareness or not.

So what does this mean for us? As PUA's? Or men?

It means that you reframe your bad nights.
Perhaps it means you develop a thick skin for rejection, or that "rejection" does not exist.
Maybe you set yourself up for the win before going out again by telling yourself "Tonight is going to be really fun."
Maybe you get yourself into a state where no matter what happens, you still have a "good" night. Or day.

I'm going out again and finding it hard to approach. I've been "out" for about 3 months.

I went out and did NO APPROACHES the other night. I felt like I betrayed my former self.

But I got back out there again the next night.

I plan on staying with this stuff for a good long time.

Tribulus

I just read that blog.

I went to sherlocks one night just to get something to eat. I ended up seeing 2 PUAs there. They are good. But if would have seen them and not known what to look for then I would have sworn it was just 2 normal guys.

You have 2 types of PUAs though I think. The one that is the audience mogul, who, no matter whos there, he is always the center of the room and constantly has everyones attention, and then you have to calm cool collected ones, who just chill.

I once thought that I HAD to have the right thing to say at all moments, but I realized that most of what happened during the PU is all about my projection of how I felt about the situation at hand.

:-/ my 2 cents

Seems like this kinda follows the "10-80-10 rule of marketing." 10% of sets/people will buy whatever, as long as you dont fubar it it too badly, 10% are the "no Way, no How, not gonna happen people," and 80% are somewhere in the middle.
I too have seen CJ, Sinn and a few others out, and their just normal guys, with a finely honed skillset. That's all. Some newbies, before they meet these guys, expect Superman or something. I know at one point I did. Then I met them, and watched them sarge. Granted, they do deserve their reputations, because they are great at sarging.

I too plan on staying with this for a long time. I'm not sure why it happens, but things seem to follow a cycle/breakthrough model on results. I'll improve some, then plateau, maybe even slide back a little, then out of nowhere, things start to move forwards on results again.
It had been a while, then in the past few days I had 2 different women naked in my bed in the span of 24 hours. Sounds like things are improving to me

One of the things to know about game, is that I am sick of seeing these post about how masterful and amazing some of these PUAs are. If only you saw them out and saw how many times they got blown out.
I really don’t know anybody better than CJ, Sinn and the Ca Pimp, and when I hear lay reports like ‘I am awesome, and you should kiss my ass’ I think to myself… I know that guy… convenient how you leave out the 25 sets of so you get blown out of every night. Good to hear you get laid a few times a month.

Meh... There are a lot of guys in the community that outright inflate their skills, it seems kinda braggy/qualify to me. I especially love the guys who claim to be a great and have fucked hundereds of girls, but it's obvious they have no success. That said...

Evidently there are some guys around Dallas who have become quite skilled at pychologically manipulating women into bed. Good for them. What I don't understand is why some of them feel the need to be condesending jerks to others in the same field.

I have no need nor desire to become the best PUA in Dallas. This isn't some sort of contest, as I merely want to be able to have a LTR with an awesome girl, and be able fuck some cute girls. I suppose I (or anyone) could devote my life to learning the tricks & tactics required to seduce a 3 girls a week, but I personally would consider that a wasted life.

And so what if I get blown out of sets? Does that somehow negate the fact that I do really well in a set with a cute girl? I've had guys both in and out of the community ask in astonishment, "How did you do that?" after a positive interaction with an attractive girl.

Sorry I can't do this on the same level some self-proclaimed guru with an overdeveloped ego can. All of us can't be super-awesome major league PUAs, but I'll settle for having a good LTR, fucking some cute 7s & 8s, and occasionally getting punched in the face by a jealous boyfriend.

Westfall

WF, the thing I admire about you is you always seem to be having fun. And people around you do too. Some people take this shit way too seriously. There are guys in the community who are always after 10s just to prove their skills. Yes, 10s can be really cool. But 7s and 8s can be really awesome to hang out with too. It's not all about looks. And pickup isn't all about statistical results. It's supposed to be fun.

Rhody wrote:WF, the thing I admire about you is you always seem to be having fun. And people around you do too. Some people take this shit way too seriously. There are guys in the community who are always after 10s just to prove their skills. Yes, 10s can be really cool. But 7s and 8s can be really awesome to hang out with too. It's not all about looks. And pickup isn't all about statistical results. It's supposed to be fun.

Exactly. There's not a direct corrolation between #-of HBs or HB hotness & one's happiness . A wise man once told me it is far more important for a girl to be sexy than hott. If a girl is cute & can turn me on, that's all I care about physically. It's so much more important to find a kind girl with an interesting personality, a wide range of emotions--along with control over their emotions, and a deep intellect.

I've sarged HB10s and done quite well on occasion, but in my own anicdotale experince, but a large majority of them -- in fact almost all, have had rather little to offer (besides what I'm sure would have been a delicious snatch). They seem to have short attention spans, be less in control of their emotions, they seem to take guys for granted, and in my admittedly limited experince in this area seem to be less frisky/energetic sexually. They also require more effort.

The girls I have found myself most into would not be considered HB10s by most guys. I like cute girls that have a unique personality and the capasity to appericate me--girls that have, perhaps out of necessity, developed a way to attract men other than with their transient beauty.

When I meet a girl, the most important thing to me is, Will I still find her interesting years down the road? If not, she's just a fuck, and to me, hb10 pussy taste the same as HB7 pussy. Not to mention HB7s make for better post-cotial cuddling partners

Westfall

My friends and I go out with this saying
"We are here to have a great time and whatever happens, happens"
We seem to have less pressure on ourselves and do much better with the ladies!

WF - I feel the same way to an extent. I don't have great game and I don't pretend like I do. I don't post any of my LR after I have run my game since good guys don't kiss and tell publicly (I am not bagging on anyone that does. To each is own), but I may share some very vague details that stand out to me to one or two of my very close friends (not in the community). I don't wanna be known for my LR or my HB count. I like to enjoy myself and to meet all kinds of women whether she's a 5 or a 10 and it takes more than looks to get me attracted to a girl. I am talking real attraction not "Oh wow she's hot", I talkin' the kind of attraction that's there when you wake up in the morning and say "Hey, Sexy! Let's grab something to eat."

For me, I just want quality women in my life whether it is sexual or just friends.

Tracer wrote:I don't post any of my LR

I tend to take all LRs with a grain of salt. I'm sure they're true. It's one thing to say I FCd a girl the other night, it's something totally different to get into specifics. Unless, of course, something crazy happens: "So, I was getting ready to go down on her and she actually had teeth in her pussy..." Then, by all means fill us in. Some of that shit is funny!

Tracer wrote:I like to enjoy myself and to meet all kinds of women whether she's a 5 or a 10 and it takes more than looks to get me attracted to a girl.

Tracer wrote:For me, I just want quality women in my life whether it is sexual or just friends.

Word. I've winged before with people that will shit all over the girls you spend time talking with. So what if she's not the hottest chick at the venue? If she's cool, she's cool. There's nothing wrong with being more attracted to and interested in an HB7 with a great personality than to an HB10 that has nothing to say.

I think a lot of guys in the community are consumed with HB9s and 10s. Get over it, A LOT of them are devoid of any personality because they never had to develop one in order to get people interested in them. If you're just looking for an FC, then by all means go for the HB10 but even then I've found, generally speaking, the hotter they are the less skilled they are in bed.

It is important to view all of this PU in the proper perspective. Some make great strides in skill, going from a skill level of 0 or 1 to a 5 or 6 - an awesome result - That, in tandem with being surrounded by guys still at low skill levels may skew self-perception of one’s skill level. For example, it may come to a surprise to some of you, but I am not the best PUA in the world. I’m not… I am only the 4th best PUA in the world (Spots 1,2, and 3 are currently taken). Though one day I hope to move up in the rankings.

Seriously though… as Rhody stated, its about having fun. Enjoying life.