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Cheat sheet?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:13 pm
by Italican
Hey guys I'm an AFC getting started and have heard here and there about new guys using cheat sheets when they are starting out.

As I am having trouble remembering some of the basics when I sarge would it be wise to bring a cheat sheet along w/ me or would that just cheapen my game?

PS: Any suggestions on what I should put on a cheat sheet would be appreciated : )

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:19 pm
by NobodyUKnow
Whatever works for you. If that's a cheat sheet, then more power to you.

Of course, that's far from idea. What would be better is to create a routine stack and practice it again and again until it's internalized. Ideally you aren't thinking about what you're going to say next, but leaving that on autopilot, and using your attention to focus on the set, body language, calibration, etc.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:41 pm
by Kalop
i know a cool dude who use to put he's cheat sheet in his mobile phone... so it just looked like he was getting a text or checking a message.. LOL

wait .... crap, that dude use to be me... :)

Put whatever you want... tip.. DONT write a fucking book (made that mistake) ... just write TITLES or MEMORY TRIGGERS so you'll know where to go next or if there's a pause you can fill it with story.

l8r

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:49 am
by LavianOrlandu
Kalop, that's a damn good idea you got there. I'm stealing that for my personal use. It would also make a good segway into DHV about your "friend" that's "texting" you.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:57 pm
by Italican
Thanks for the tips' ill go ahead and use the phone one instead of the cheat sheet b/c it sounds like it would go a lot smoother in field

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:51 am
by AFC AdamLondon
Italican,

When i first get a student I used to give them a set of routines, that formed a full start to finish number close.

I haven't taught this way for a long time now, but...

If you want, I've stuck it in below.

Open

I'm sorry can I just get a quick opinion on something?

My flat mate emily has just started dating this guy, and the problem is he's stopped calling her. She now calls him like 10 times a day chasing him. I keep telling her not to, but she says If she does he won't call her and she'll lose contact. She says she doesn't just like him, but it's almost like a need.

So my question to you is this.

Is it better to be wanted or needed?

(then let them answer, try to discuss it abit more. Hint: most people say wanted)

Wow, thanks for that, I really appreciate the input. You know something. I've spoken to alot of different people, esspecially with my work.

(Probably here she will cut in with...What do you do? [IOI] if so just say ... let me tell you in a second. If not, don't worry)

Anyway, I find very few people actually beleive they have anything interesting in their lives. Before I go [false time constraint] tell me three interesting things about yourself.

(maintain your frame here, and make sure she gives you three things. This is a qualifier and also puts the pressure on her to speak rather than you. It removes those awkard silences whilst building attraction. Then move onto the number close)

Thanks loads, Ok i've better make a move back to my friends, oh one last thing. Me and my friends are throwing a fancy dress party, but we're struggling on the theme. So far we have smurfs and smurfettes but personally I think that sucks. What would you suggest?

(after they respond..they may need prompting say.

Thats a great Idea! Thanks!

Hey do you have cool friends?
Guys and girls?
Do you ever party?
[Yes ladder]
Wow you should bring them along, we're going to make it a massive event.

Whats the best way of getting in contact with you?


Try this out and let me know how you get on. As I said I hardly do this anymore, but when i used to teach this way, the students did get alot of success.

I hope this is of use.

AFC AdamLondon

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:27 am
by TheRussian
I recently started using a piece of paper with my new openers of the day. I write down the stuff that I want to field test, and then cross out the garbage that didn't work. This way I can always keep my routine stack fresh and effective.

I would subdivide the sheet into "Openers", "negs", "comfort building stories", and always write down what your end purpose is.. i.e.. # close, Fclose, and so on. If you have a goal in mind, it will be much easier to achieve it.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:06 am
by phoenix_rising
It's fully understandable to use a cheat sheet. Take a glance before entering a set. Just be careful not to use it as a crutch. Memorizing different routines give you flexibility and allows you to adapt quicker. When i'm in set, I personally have no idea what routines i'm going to use, or even if i'm going to use a routine. It just kinda flows. Memorization also adds a layer of natural delivery. The big problem I have with the use of a cell phone as a cheat sheet, it's an indicator of disinterest...Have you ever been talking with a woman and they keep going back and forth between you and the phone? Not a very good feeling. I'd like to hear yall's opinion on this.

-phoenix

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:02 pm
by Smile
Italican, most of the smartest people in the world write things down (meaning they have notes everywhere). Remember though, you want to memorize it to ultimately internalize it.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:09 am
by Sinatra
I would check with Neuromancer. I think that he is working on something like that.