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I need some advice on what to do to get some lays/dates and I thought here would be the best place to turn to.

Anyways I posted here before a few months ago when I first moved to Dallas. (moved from Laredo) Since then Ive gotten a decent car, apartment, job, hobbies, clothing, few friends and adjusted my behavior to fit better in Dallas but my sex life is virtually non existent... I've fucked two 5s from POF thanks to you guy's advice but thats about it and that aint shit... Plus I get bored of chubby chicks easy.

I've studied the material a lot (IE The Game, Mystery's book, fastseduction.com forums, ladder theory, here, little bit of wayne, Tyler durden and other shit) but I basically suck and do horrible at the clubs and bars here in dallas. I am not a bad looking guy either. I am getting more and more frustrated.

What attitude should I adopt or try? No one likes that cocky behavior here. What attitude do chicks go for? I really cant figure shit out and I feeling more and more like a total loser. Currently I got a very easy going, laid back, non caring, polite, super chill attitude. Maybe try and just be more social and ram my way though and not give a shit about reactions?

ANyways Thanks so much.

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[QUOTE=Budguy68;38442] Maybe try and just be more social and [COLOR=red]RAM[/COLOR] my way though and not give a shit about reactions?[QUOTE]


I think he's on to something here!

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Why do you suck at bars / clubs? Is it your outer game (opener, tactics, approach, etc) or attitude?

If it's outer game, then I suggest you start writing field reports of your nights. This forces you to replay the approach and will make you think about what happened in set. what went right? but more importantly, what went wrong? how did she react when I said "xyz"? Was my bl or tonality good? etc.. You can learn alot from your past approaches.

If it's your attitude, then change it. If you hate clubs / bars, have you tried day game?

Lack motivation? Set goals and go out with some of the lair guys and tell them to push you in set...

If it's inner game (confidence, etc), what are you unhappy about? Once you identify these issues, and you MUST be honest with yourself, then you need totake the necessary steps to drive change...

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[QUOTE=Budguy68;38442]What attitude should I adopt or try? No one likes that cocky behavior here. What attitude do chicks go for? I really cant figure shit out and I feeling more and more like a total loser. Currently I got a very easy going, laid back, non caring, polite, super chill attitude.[/QUOTE]

There seems to be a contradiction here. You are frustrated and you want to adopt whatever attitude chicks go for, but you believe you have a laid back, non-caring attitude.

Your lack of success isn't what's making you frustrated. YOU make you frustrated. I think the first change you have to make is to choose to be happy. This should be something that is not dependent on, or relative to, other people, especially chicks. If you can do that, then you can truly have a laid back, non-caring, super chill attitude. Then you might find that a cocky attitude will work, because only then will you have genuine indifference.

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Yeah, I agree with Prodigy's comment.

I'd also add that being "cocky" on it's own isn't always great. Adding humor to your cockiness (i.e. Cocky - Funny) goes a long way. Furthermore, stop studying material, unless you are dealing with a specific problem you have. Go out, keep approaching, keep being social with everyone in your daily life, and build up your social skills.

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Use success to garner success.

You have pulled 5's off of POF. I recommend going out to the bars and doing this in real life. Pull some 5's and see success. Then make your next step a 5.5 and then a 6, etc.

This should improve your confidence and allow you access to better and better women.

Maybe one of these days in the near future we will have a meet up. If we do, make sure you come out. Ask the host to give you an honest critique. Maybe you just have a few things out of place that can easily be repaired.

[Guest]

Go old school.

Find as many canned negs, routines, gambits, and openers as you can. Write down as many witty responses and funny one-liners as you can AND then memorize them. Create a rolodex of canned items and pull them out as they are needed.

Focus on running the material. Natural Game is for Naturals only. Inner Game is for advanced PUAs. Focus on the tired and true Mystery Method of seduction. Sure, it's not all that cutting edge, but that doesn't mean it's still not the best source of basic Game you'll find.

Learn how to be cocky AND funny. Being cocky will get you blown out, but if you do so in a funny way it's HOT. This is cocky: I have a huge schlong. This is cocky funny: My schlong is so big you can see it from space.

Take the focus off of getting lays/dates. That shit is of no importance to you. Instead, focus on opening with comfortable, confidence and running sets. If they work out good, if not, oh well move on. Your goal, every night, should be to run Game the best you can and then learn from your mistakes. Pulling pussy is the last thing you should care about.

Do the above for a while. When you feel frustrated, run a set of girls that you know you can run and get some confidence, then stretch for something you want. Take note of what you do and how you treat the subpar girls and then use that attitude/stories/tactics/etc. on the hotter girls. You can learn a lot from the ugs about a woman's true nature.

When I first started, almost 4 years ago, I never thought about pulling chicks as much as I thought about learning how they think, what makes them tick, and how I need to alter my personalty and approach to make myself more attractive to what they really want. Becoming a PUA was more important than getting laid.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;38451]Go old school.

Find as many canned negs, routines, gambits, and openers as you can. Write down as many witty responses and funny one-liners as you can AND then memorize them. Create a rolodex of canned items and pull them out as they are needed.

Focus on running the material. Natural Game is for Naturals only. Inner Game is for advanced PUAs. Focus on the tired and true Mystery Method of seduction. Sure, it's not all that cutting edge, but that doesn't mean it's still not the best source of basic Game you'll find.

Learn how to be cocky AND funny. Being cocky will get you blown out, but if you do so in a funny way it's HOT. This is cocky: I have a huge schlong. This is cocky funny: My schlong is so big you can see it from space.

Take the focus off of getting lays/dates. That shit is of no importance to you. Instead, focus on opening with comfortable, confidence and running sets. If they work out good, if not, oh well move on. Your goal, every night, should be to run Game the best you can and then learn from your mistakes. Pulling pussy is the last thing you should care about.

Do the above for a while. When you feel frustrated, run a set of girls that you know you can run and get some confidence, then stretch for something you want. Take note of what you do and how you treat the subpar girls and then use that attitude/stories/tactics/etc. on the hotter girls. You can learn a lot from the ugs about a woman's true nature.

When I first started, almost 4 years ago, I never thought about pulling chicks as much as I thought about learning how they think, what makes them tick, and how I need to alter my personalty and approach to make myself more attractive to what they really want. Becoming a PUA was more important than getting laid.[/QUOTE]

I think the beauty of doing this gets back to indifference. If you small chunk it to a beginner's level, e.g., work on opening, then hooking a set, etc., then you get an "experimentation is fun" attitude, which allows you to be indifferent. Plus, those small successes breed confidence.

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[QUOTE=Rhody;38448]There seems to be a contradiction here. You are frustrated and you want to adopt whatever attitude chicks go for, but you believe you have a laid back, non-caring attitude.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that is a contradiction. On the outside I am those things but inside frustration is starting to grow. The bad voice inside me says "ohh Frank you are in denial of being frustrated and lonely that is why you show that chill non caring attitude."


[QUOTE=Rhody;38448]
Your lack of success isn't what's making you frustrated. YOU make you frustrated. I think the first change you have to make is to choose to be happy. This should be something that is not dependent on, or relative to, other people, especially chicks. If you can do that, then you can truly have a laid back, non-caring, super chill attitude. Then you might find that a cocky attitude will work, because only then will you have genuine indifference.[/QUOTE]

I understand, choosing to be happy and making yourself believe you truly are can be hard for a lonely guy lol. But anyways I'll probbly try fishing or something quiet.

Thanks

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;38451]Go old school.

Find as many canned negs, routines, gambits, and openers as you can. Write down as many witty responses and funny one-liners as you can AND then memorize them. Create a rolodex of canned items and pull them out as they are needed.[/QUOTE]


I have tried what I called Nuke before

Group of hot chicks: "hmmm are you guys like desperate for a guy or something?"

Hispanic HBChick: "you speak english?"

preppy sophisticated HBchick: "are you into black gangster rapper guys?"

Chicks with big ear rings: "those are some ghetto earrings"

I usually get the: "WHy are you still talking to me.. Get the fuck away" or the "you are the most gayest, ugliest person I've ever seen"


Sometimes chicks actually smile and laugh and like it. Probably the ones I get along with.


ANyways you think this Negs are alright?


[QUOTE]Focus on running the material. Natural Game is for Naturals only. Inner Game is for advanced PUAs. Focus on the tired and true Mystery Method of seduction. Sure, it's not all that cutting edge, but that doesn't mean it's still not the best source of basic Game you'll find.[/QUOTE]

Hard stuff to be someone else and it initially takes balls IMHO. Chicks do love it though and say shit like "OMG YOu are so fun!" if you can pull it off. I tried it a little before but I was in Laredo. Dallas is like a whole different ball game. It sounds like being satire but fuck it.Some might call it douche behavior.

Question do you recommend being this way only when you're sarging?

I just joined started going back to church too. Might have too pull a 2 face.


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Take the focus off of getting lays/dates. That shit is of no importance to you. Instead, focus on opening with comfortable, confidence and running sets. If they work out good, if not, oh well move on. Your goal, every night, should be to run Game the best you can and then learn from your mistakes. Pulling pussy is the last thing you should care about.[/QUOTE]

Good point. This neg, cocky, funny does require a lot of testing, perfecting etc.


[QUOTE]Do the above for a while. When you feel frustrated, run a set of girls that you know you can run and get some confidence, then stretch for something you want. Take note of what you do and how you treat the subpar girls and then use that attitude/stories/tactics/etc. on the hotter girls. You can learn a lot from the ugs about a woman's true nature.[/QUOTE]

I thought it was my understanding that ugly girls react different to hot girls and the same material shouldn't be used.

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When I first started, almost 4 years ago, I never thought about pulling chicks as much as I thought about learning how they think, what makes them tick, and how I need to alter my personalty and approach to make myself more attractive to what they really want. Becoming a PUA was more important than getting laid.[/QUOTE]

How did you started off? Did you use this old school stuff? Anyways man Thanks. You have given me a lot to think about and stuff to consider in trying.