My friend sent me an interesting email, though targeted more to the AFC (and more likely, a BF frame), I still thought it had some pretty good, simple "rules" to follow..
your thoughts?
Email:
If you're a guy, here are 10 tips that can make the first date easier on all of us.
1. Take charge. We do not want to decide where to go. We will never tell you this, but it is true. Ask us what kind of place and/or food we like; then, pick a place like that. Do not leave it up to us to choose. You are the man. Act like one.
2. Smile. When we arrive, smile. Maybe you are a tough guy. Maybe you are nervous. Maybe you are paralyzed. Either way, smile. Women are strange, exotic, intuitive creatures, and we respond well to positive reinforcement. Do not glower.
3. Mind your body language. If your legs are crossed and your hand is over your mouth, we will unconsciously think you are hiding something. If you are sprawled out all over with your legs spread wide and your hands behind your head, we will think you are a slob or generally loose. Sit up straight, lean in closer, and keep your hands where we can see them.
4.Ask questions. This seems obvious, but it's surprising how many men don't do this. You know what women like? Attention. Also, kittens, flowers, and cupcakes. Nothing else. If you seem curious about the woman sitting across from you, she will like it. For sure.
5.Listen. You can't just ask a bunch of questions, and then not listen to the answers. They call this a "date," but, really, for women, it's more like a "test." If you e-mailed or talked on the phone beforehand, remember what the hell she told you about herself. If you forget, we will feel angry and want to leave. Then you will be sorry.
6.Use flattery, appropriately. If at some point during our meeting, you tell us we are "beautiful," "attractive," or "pretty," we will like you better than if you didn't. It's. Just. That. Simple.
7.Act confident. We really do not care if you are secretly neurotic, deeply insecure, or mildly nuts. We are interested in how you portray yourself. Act confident, interested, engaged, self-assured, ambitious, and happy. We like that. Thanks.
8.No pawing allowed. If you're going to score with us at some point, we will let you know. Trust. Occasional physical contact is OK -- a hand to the small of the back, a touch of the thigh, a brief holding of the arm while making a point. Do not grab anywhere in the red light zones. If we want your hands there, we will put them there.
9.Please pay. Feminism, shmeminism. Take care of the bill without comment. That is what we want. Wave off any offer to go dutch. We lied. We don't want to pay half.
10.Say goodnight. Don't meander off into the night. Do something. What -- that is up to you: a hahandshake, a hug, a kiss. Do it right, and you might get a second date.
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by Guest » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:34 am
Thats a pretty decent list. However, the older I get the less tolerant I am of the feminist movement. This was written by a feminist that feels she has the upper hand over men. It's all about catering to women. The general tone is if the man does all the right things he might get a second date. Why the hell isn't it.......if the stupid hooker does all the right things maybe she'll get to suck my cahk?!?!?
These feminist so badly want to be equal or above men, but don't want to display confidence, take charge, or PAY! If they want to be treated equal then it needs to be 50-50. Its a two way street! I'm tired of the American Princess syndrome!
These feminist so badly want to be equal or above men, but don't want to display confidence, take charge, or PAY! If they want to be treated equal then it needs to be 50-50. Its a two way street! I'm tired of the American Princess syndrome!
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by Guest » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:05 pm
See UH, women contradict themselves all the time. As you said, they want to be equal with men, but I truly believe that women are naturally submissive to men, that's how humans were biological designed.
For example, a woman may have a great career, home and is independent, BUT yet, she wants a guy to take charge in bed and lead.
This displays the true nature of women. Sex, at the core of it, is the most natural, animalistic act and really displays women core behavior.
With regards to number 9, I dont think women expect men to pay because she's looking for a free meal (generally speaking). A woman expects a man to pay because to women, it translate that he is a provider. In the early cave man days, men provided the meat (no pun intended, well maybe a little :p). In this day and age, women see men paying for dinners (and things) as being a provider, ergo, a man.
I do not encourage or condone the idea that men should treat women out to fancy dinners, buy them nice clothes etc.
Having said that, when with women, just be a man! isn't that what the game really teaches us?
For example, a woman may have a great career, home and is independent, BUT yet, she wants a guy to take charge in bed and lead.
This displays the true nature of women. Sex, at the core of it, is the most natural, animalistic act and really displays women core behavior.
With regards to number 9, I dont think women expect men to pay because she's looking for a free meal (generally speaking). A woman expects a man to pay because to women, it translate that he is a provider. In the early cave man days, men provided the meat (no pun intended, well maybe a little :p). In this day and age, women see men paying for dinners (and things) as being a provider, ergo, a man.
I do not encourage or condone the idea that men should treat women out to fancy dinners, buy them nice clothes etc.
Having said that, when with women, just be a man! isn't that what the game really teaches us?
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by Guest » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:05 am
Did anyone notice the entire tone of the article is that we have to treat them in such a way to prove to them that we're worthy of their pussy?
If you do it right you might get a second date...
Then you will be sorry.
If we want your hands there, we will put them there.
Among others...
Most of these are a good general guideline. Although, points 4 and 6 should only be used in moderation. And, both of them have to be used correctly. Instead of saying, what do you do for fun? Ask, what was the last thing you did that was spontaneous and turned out to be a blast? Instead of saying, you're beautiful, say you have an attractive grace about you.
Anyway, the truth is that if the girl likes you points 4 - 6 and 8 - 9 don't apply. They aren't really needed. Everything else is crucial though.
If you do it right you might get a second date...
Then you will be sorry.
If we want your hands there, we will put them there.
Among others...
Most of these are a good general guideline. Although, points 4 and 6 should only be used in moderation. And, both of them have to be used correctly. Instead of saying, what do you do for fun? Ask, what was the last thing you did that was spontaneous and turned out to be a blast? Instead of saying, you're beautiful, say you have an attractive grace about you.
Anyway, the truth is that if the girl likes you points 4 - 6 and 8 - 9 don't apply. They aren't really needed. Everything else is crucial though.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:51 am
One thing guys in the community forget is that there are guys out there who really need this advice. There really are guys out there who go out on a date and don't ask ANY questions, ask too many questions, don't show any interest, or show too much interest too easily (which comes across as disingenuous). I tend not to be so critical of articles like this.
As for it being written as if men have to obey some rules to get the pussy, again, I am not critical of that. There are plenty of articles written the other way. Look at Cosmo. Don't worry, women are being told that they have to act a certain way to get the cock. And, again, there are women out there who have no idea how to behave on a date and need that advice. There are women who go out on a date with a guy whom they find really attractive, and they just blow it.
I have no problem paying for dinner on a first date, but I try to find an opportunity for her to pay for something. For example, after dinner, I pay the bill and move her to the bar. Then at the bar I find a beer I like and say, "I'm going to the restroom, order me a Boddingtons." (I might give her a quick kiss at this point right before I walk away.) Then, I'll see if she pays for the drinks like a good girl. I might casually ask, "did you open a tab?" If she leaves the bill for me, that's not a good sign. I just paid for dinner and left a nice tip; she should get the drinks.
As for it being written as if men have to obey some rules to get the pussy, again, I am not critical of that. There are plenty of articles written the other way. Look at Cosmo. Don't worry, women are being told that they have to act a certain way to get the cock. And, again, there are women out there who have no idea how to behave on a date and need that advice. There are women who go out on a date with a guy whom they find really attractive, and they just blow it.
I have no problem paying for dinner on a first date, but I try to find an opportunity for her to pay for something. For example, after dinner, I pay the bill and move her to the bar. Then at the bar I find a beer I like and say, "I'm going to the restroom, order me a Boddingtons." (I might give her a quick kiss at this point right before I walk away.) Then, I'll see if she pays for the drinks like a good girl. I might casually ask, "did you open a tab?" If she leaves the bill for me, that's not a good sign. I just paid for dinner and left a nice tip; she should get the drinks.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:41 pm
[QUOTE=Rhody;35128]One thing guys in the community forget is that there are guys out there who really need this advice. There really are guys out there who go out on a date and don't ask ANY questions, ask too many questions, don't show any interest, or show too much interest too easily (which comes across as disingenuous). I tend not to be so critical of articles like this.[/QUOTE]
I'm not being critical. But, I think what we tend to forget is that that list will be translated completely differently by an AFC than it would be someone with some level of profeciency with women. It's too ambiguous. I can assure you that there were just as many guys that read those instructions and thought "wow this is great advice, I'll give it a shot" as there were guys that thought "wow this is exactly how I act, but I never get a shot."
It's a good, general guide for guys like ourselves that understand what's really going on when we're out with a woman. But, for guys lacking our knowledge and experience it's not altogether useful...unless, of course, a friend that you know is successful with women hands it to you and says this is the secret to my success. In other words, if you don't get it, then how can you recognize a legitamite guide when you see it?
I'm not being critical. But, I think what we tend to forget is that that list will be translated completely differently by an AFC than it would be someone with some level of profeciency with women. It's too ambiguous. I can assure you that there were just as many guys that read those instructions and thought "wow this is great advice, I'll give it a shot" as there were guys that thought "wow this is exactly how I act, but I never get a shot."
It's a good, general guide for guys like ourselves that understand what's really going on when we're out with a woman. But, for guys lacking our knowledge and experience it's not altogether useful...unless, of course, a friend that you know is successful with women hands it to you and says this is the secret to my success. In other words, if you don't get it, then how can you recognize a legitamite guide when you see it?
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