Could really use help with my dating profile...

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Could really use help with my dating profile...

Postby Guest » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:07 pm

Plus knowing what to say when I initiate contact though emails.

Iam getting little to no results with my Plentyoffish.com profile. All ive gotten is like 1-2 "myspace closes" and thats it. I think Iam doing somethign wrong here. I read somewhere that basically you have to play the part of an asshole, successful, selective person who doesn;t care about being judge when making a profile. Ill probably try something more honest next time.

Basically Ive sent out over 75 emails to different chicks. 15 replied to me. 5 emailed me back and forth. I was going to go out with this 1 chick but she pissed me off cause she kept forgetting about the dates we had planned or kept saying she was busy.

Here's what my Plenty fo fish profile looks likes;

[url]http://www.plentyoffish.com/member15350174.htm[/url]

Here's what some of my emails look like.

[B]Set one[/B]

Me;
Hey hi
[QUOTE]
Its nice and very rare to find a girl that values logic (Iam serious about that). Anyways I think we would make a pretty good match. Message me back if you want to talk.[/QUOTE]

Her;
[QUOTE]
Why thank you, but my logic side can sometimes get me into trouble. haha. I like your sense of humor on your profile, you sound like fun...oooor you're not joking...

How's your night going?
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Me;
[QUOTE]
Thanks for liking my profile. Lolgic is a funny thing sometimes because I notice many times its more logical to be illogical when it comes to socializing with people.

You'll just have to wait and see if Iam joking or not.... :P

Iam usually more on myspace. Do you use it by any chance?
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her;

[QUOTE]
Yes I do have myspace. /michellebisson

I don't use it very much, most people use facebook now. :(
[/QUOTE]




[B]Set two[/B]

Me[QUOTE]

Its nice to find a girl that loves the outdoors. Well anyways, i think we'd make a pretty god match. Message me back if you're interested.[/QUOTE]

Her
[QUOTE]
Everyone keeps telling me that haha. How are you?
[/QUOTE]
Me:
[QUOTE]
I am good. I just moved into Irving like 2 days ago with a friend so I am also pretty excited about things. Do you use myspace by any chance? Iam usually on it a lot more then here.
[/QUOTE]
Her:

(No replies for days)

Me:
[QUOTE]
Aww playign hard to get already? SO whats up talk to me!
[/QUOTE]
Her:
[QUOTE]
Sorry I've been busy.[/QUOTE]
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Postby Guest » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:47 pm

I checked out your profile page, your name is:

OutlawBiker666 The Seahorse: Rico Suave

And your picture you do look a little Rico Suave with your hair slicked back.

But in your answers to the girls, you sound not like an outlaw biker, but like a career-driven, logical guy.


I would start out just like you said, by making your profile more honest.

Trust me man, you don't have to be a bad boy biker to get girls interested in you.
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:34 am

I haven't read your profile but I will try to do that tonight.

You're messages don't sound very interesting to me. The stuff you sent is exactly what all the other guys say to these girls all day long. You have to stand out and be different.

Its basically a sea of cocks on there and the hot girls don't stay long because they get bombarded.

Here's some tips:

1. Make the subject catchy. Don't use "nice profile" or "you're cute".
Pick a subject that makes them want to open the message asap. I usually relate my subjects to something I plan to bust their balls on. If they are wearing some crazy hat in one of their pictures then put that in the subject line and bust their balls about it.

2. Set them up to chase you. You are the prize not them. Ask them to name a few things about themselves that would make you want to get to know them better.

3. Pick out individual lines from their profile and have them convince you that they meant what they said.

4. Set up a point system. Every time a girl does something you ask or does something you like, then give her a point. Tell her she has to earn 10points before she can go out on a date with you. Its fun, its a challenge, and it puts you in position to be the prize, not them!

5. Remain mysterious. Make them want to know more and make them work for it.

6. Bust their balls on their username........ in a humorous way of course!

7. When a girl sends you a 3 sentence message, match that with a 3 sentence message. Don't send her back 3 paragraphs. You come across as trying too hard and show way too much interest, plus the more she knows about you the less mysterious you come across. You got to dangle the carrot out in front of her, not give her the carrot.

8. To be successful you need to convey that you are confident, smart, funny. These are all things that women look for. Be sure your messages convey those things.


9. There are a ton of very average looking girls on dating sites.

10. Remember to offer up some interesting/personal tidbit about yourself. It helps break the ice so the person you are conversing with feels comfortable enough to open up to you.

11. I once created a dating quiz that they had to fill out successfully before I granted them a date with me. Thru out our messages, I'd build suspense by teasing them about this special quiz I that they need to prepare for. It was humorous and most couldn't believe I did it. They were intrigued by not knowing if I was being serious or not. They also had never seen anything like that before. It also showed I had confidence, was a little cocky, and was funny. 3 things girls are highly attracted to. I put myself in position to be the "catch"!
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:45 am

[B][I]Me:[/I][/B]

[B][I]Quote:[/I][/B]
[B][I]Aww playign hard to get already? SO whats up talk to me![/I][/B]

Its good that you called her out on not talking, but you also made yourself unattractive by saying "talk to me". These little hookers all want to be entertained. You need to be her ticket to a good time.

I'd of said something like...............so does your boyfriend have you handcuffed to the chair again making it hard to type or what!?!?
This sentence accomplished a few things. 1. Displayed confidence. 2. Displayed humor. 3. Showed you are fun. 4. Busted her balls.
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:34 am

Do yourself a favor...make a fake chick profile and just see the shit guys send.

Do the opposite.

My current LTR and a handful of girls I dated prior were all from PoF...so I know how that site works.
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:39 am

The first thing that jumped out at me is your usage of language:

[COLOR=#000000]lETS be honest here. It takes a lot more then a few paragraphs to describe anyone. Then also the person writing their 'about me' info will probably make themselves sound like a good choice. So I find this profile info very preposterous. And whats that you say? You're a special person who loves music and likes hanging out with your friends? Well No kiddin... I thought I was the only person in the world who's like this...

[COLOR=Red]This is actually a pretty good start. Your language is direct, strong, and dominant. Also, you're pointing out a universal irony or truth in the dating world...that everyone's profile says the same shit. Which implies that no one really learns anything from anyone else by what one writes.[/COLOR]

I'll still try to write something about myself I guess. Well I am unique person and not to sound conceited or anything but its rare to find anyone like me. I like hanging out with cool people who know how to have fun without being stupid. I am usually nice (sometimes too nice) but I also like making fun of people, especially nice ladies so I'll probably make fun of you should you for some reason meet me. You shoudl probably go away right now. You've been warn.

[COLOR=Red]Here is where your language starts to get passive. Instead of the above try something like this:

I am a unique person and finding someone like me is rare, so now that you have jump on a plane to Las Vegas and bet your life saving's on double zero on the roulette table OR at the very least buy a lottery ticket. I surround myself with cool people that know how to have fun without making a spectacle of themselves. Understand that even though I am a nice guy at heart, I have a reputation to uphold, and as such when we meet will most likely tease you mercilessly over something trivial. It's the adult version of tugging on your hair...if I tease you, I like you, if I don't well I don't. So, if you're the sensitive type that takes things too seriously or cannot be playful, then I'm definitely not for you (and vice versa).[/COLOR]

It takes time for me to open up. You really have to be a certain type for me to be cool with. But if you're enjoying any of these chances are you are worth my time. I've been in relationships where I spend all my money and get my hopes up only to get shot down like I am nothing. I also have a naughty side to me if you're the right type of person. I usually play the part of a calm-serious-easy-going-friendly-confident type of person. This is how I feel inside as well ofcourse/

[COLOR=Red]I'm a very selective person with respect to whom I surround myself with and with whom I open myself up to. In other words, I have very high standards and will not deviate from them. My friends describe me as a calm-serious-easy-going-friendly-confident type of person, and since my friends are awesome (see above), that means they're definitely right. I can and will get naughty from time to time...but only if you know how to play along. [/COLOR]

I have a promising road ahead of me and I'd like to be with someone who's also goal oriented or at least someone who [I]Tries[/I] to make their life better. I also get bored of making all the decisions so you also need to come up with stuff to do. and If you're an outdoors adventurous type of person that's a plus.

[COLOR=Red]I like making myself better. I'm not a self-improvement junkie, actually, yes I am. I like that my life and how I feel about it get better every day. I know where I'm going and I'm walking the path; want to come along for the ride? I don't expect for you to the same level of intensity in this area, but I do expect that you will try to improve your lot in life as well.

If you have something you want to do or someplace you want to go, SPEAK UP!!! If you don't, we're always going to go to the places I like and the things that I enjoy. I cannot and will not try to read your mind. In other words, have an opinion and have conviction in your opinion. I enjoy the outdoors so if you're the outdoorsy, adventurous type then you're ahead of the curve.
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[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]That being said I am not looking for a quick hook up. Getting fast sex has gotten easy and boring. What I’am really looking for is someone I can have feelings for and connect with on a deep level. Yes, I know this is a rare thing to find, especially with all my short comings. I guess I am one of those super optimist guys. Well are you game or what?[/COLOR]

[COLOR=Red]I am not looking for a quick hook up, been there done that...YAWN!!! I'd rather have a connection on a more substantive level than pure lust...the lust can, and will, come at a later date.

If you found yourself nodding enthusiatically while laughing a loud, on occasion, then you owe it to yourself to contact me...

[COLOR=Black]Truth is that the two paragraphs above are kind of weak and I might just cut them from the equation.

I think the BIGGEST problems guys have online profiles is that they use passive language, they provide too many details about the boring shit in their lives (I do this for a living, I live in this part of town, I enjoy these activities, I went to this school, I'm from this city, blah, blah, blah), and they don't let their sense of humor and wit shine through (they don't take a risk to put in a joke or comment that, most likely, people will take the wrong way because of the lack of context on the flip side, if they do take it the right way then you get uber points). Guys are just so matter of fact. Yawn.

One thing that taught me what not to write was to create a shill. Bascially, you need to create an account posing as an attractive female and see what kind of emails you get and read the profiles of the guys that contact you. When you see enough of those, you'll know what NOT to write.
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:09 am

[QUOTE=grimm1111;34981]I checked out your profile page, your name is:

OutlawBiker666 The Seahorse: Rico Suave

And your picture you do look a little Rico Suave with your hair slicked back.

But in your answers to the girls, you sound not like an outlaw biker, but like a career-driven, logical guy.


I would start out just like you said, by making your profile more honest.

Trust me man, you don't have to be a bad boy biker to get girls interested in you.[/QUOTE]


lol.. I originally used it cuz it seemed funny to me but yeah I see your point. My PoF username isn't really congruent with my overall profile. Lets see if it lets me change it.
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:13 am

Many Thanks guys.

I'll probably also check out some Guy profiles to see where I more less stand.
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:52 pm

My advice is to re-read BR's post, lots of solid points in there...!
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Postby Guest » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:30 pm

I'm going to be blunt so I hope your feelings don't get hurt.

Judging by what I just saw your messages are boring. Every guy says that same shit.

Delete this from your vocabulary right now "Message me back". You may as well say "I'm needy, please talk to me. I'll do anything. Sincerely, D. Baggerson".

Don't go for the myspace yet, that's a sure-fire way for it to never workout with her. Keep her on POF and build it up from there. Make and schedule your dates through POF and only get her digits to confirm. Don't worry about getting a myspace, unless she asks for yours.

[I][COLOR=#000000]"It takes time for me to open up. You really have to be a certain type for me to be cool with. But if you're enjoying any of these chances are you are worth my time. I've been in relationships where I spend all my money and get my hopes up only to get shot down like I am nothing. I also have a naughty side to me if you're the right type of person. I usually play the part of a calm-serious-easy-going-friendly-confident type of person. This is how I feel inside as well ofcourse/"[/COLOR][/I]

^This makes you sound shy, boring, and beta. No girl wants a "serious" type, she wants a fun, talkative, confident type.

[I][COLOR=#000000]"I also get bored of making all the decisions so you also need to come up with stuff to do.[/COLOR][/I]"

You are the man so act like it and take control. She doesn't want to make any decisions, not making decisions is a female trait. When you say that you don't want to make decisions you seem submissive and un-confident. MAKE DECISIONS.

[I][COLOR=#000000]"Well I am unique person and not to sound conceited or anything but its rare to find anyone like me. I like hanging out with cool people who know how to have fun without being stupid.[/COLOR][/I]"

This sounds try hard.

[I][COLOR=#000000]"I am usually nice (sometimes too nice)"

[/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#000000]Delete that. Women don't respect nice guys. You should know that.

[/COLOR][I][COLOR=#000000]"Yes, I know this is a rare thing to find, especially with all my short comings. I guess I am one of those super optimist guys.[/COLOR][/I]"

That is a direct contradiction. If you were an optimist you wouldn't talk about your shortcomings. Which you shouldn't anyways. Your "shortcomings" should be funny like "Big smile, big dick, bit heart" or something cheesy like that.

You certainly don't seem like an outlawbiker. Make it more congruent.

[B]BE BOLD[/B] with your profile. Think outside the box. Women appreciate Men who are different. If you're name says outlawbiker then you damn well better act like an outlawbiker and not like you work down at the local insurance office. Most importantly have fun with it and don't take it so serious.

I have an okcupid account (which I will delete because no good looking girls). I have messaged one girl, the only one I found attractive, these are the kind of messages that work.

"
[B][I]Oh, hello[/I][/B]

[I]Hi, I was wondering if you want to get married in Vegas by a fat Elvis. I'll get a helicoptor to fly us in and then we can honeymoon in Bora Bora. What time should I have the pilot pick you up? :)[/I]


[I]
[B]RESPONSE[/B]
Hello Romeo,
My you do have a way with words =) I took a glance at your profile and I would say that I am impressed. I don't blame you for messaging me... I would have messaged you first if you hadn't. We might have hit it off on the first date...if there were ever one to come. Unfortunately I just got into a relationship around a week ago. I just got on to find the delete button... still can't find it to delete my profile. I am alpha female, and mostly all the things that have impressed you enough to initiate a conversation but I wish you luck in your future dating endeavors... happy Chinese New Year and may this year bring you more fortune and endless flow of cash to your business and love into your life. Take care Romeo =) I would probably say our chances to meet would have been higher if you we had been in touch sooner.

Thank You,
XXX

[B]
HERE IS PART OF MY PROFILE:[/B][/I]
[B]
My Self-Summary[/B]

Extreme would be the best word to describe me. Not in the Mountain dew, motocross, I drive a jeep way. Extreme in the way that I can only do things one of two ways. I can do something full-out with all my heart or I can't do it at all. There is no in-between. I can't put in 60% effort, I can only put in 110% or 0%.

[B]I’m really good at[/B]

Making mix-tapes.
Planning. Plotting. Doing.
Thumb-wrestling.
[B]
The first things people usually notice about me[/B]

Some say my bold, Green eyes. Some say my perfect posture. Some say my shining smile. Some say my sense of style. Some say my height. It really just depends!

One thing no one ever noticed, my humility. =)
[B]
The most private thing I’m willing to admit here[/B]

That I'm actually very sensitive. I have made up for it by being an a**hole and being able to walk away from anyone, at any time, for any reason, and forever. Want to go on a date?
[B]
You should message me if[/B]

You are height/weight proportionate. Nothing is more of a turn-off than a glutton. You can't tell me you have a good personality if you are fat. Having a little discipline and caring about your body is part of your personality. You can fool yourself but you can't fool me!

I want the whole package:
I love petite women. I love women who know what they want. I love women who have a great positive attitude. I love the grace and style of a natural Alpha female. The one who's friends are all secretly jealous of her beauty. I love a challenge.


^This works for me because it is congruent with my personality and it communicates exactly what I want, which is that I want the best these sites have to offer, I won't compromise, if I pick her she is special, and that I will take charge. My profile is actually somewhat serious, but that is because I only want a certain type of girl to message me, and this profile speaks directly to that type.
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