how do you cut into a group of girls talking nonstop?

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how do you cut into a group of girls talking nonstop?

Postby Maver1ck » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:10 pm

I have been to glorias and saw a 3 set. they were in an animated conversation. I waited for a lull in it. but they kept talking and talking and talking.

Is there a way to just go in, without being rude? can you just go in and open, and will they be o.k with it if you have a strong frame?

any ideas?
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Postby Scoundrel » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:03 pm

How about saying "wow! it's like watching the view."
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Postby Kraven » Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:33 pm

What's up Maver1ck,

Scenarios like this are very much the domain of Mystery Method

Open with the right body language (your body facing away from them while walking past) and with false time constraint and ask them a quick opinion opener they can all chime in on and the set should open right up

Your frame should be you're asking a quick question (your personal frame as a PUA is that you're definitely more interesting than whatever they were talking about)

Do not worry about interrupting them - if you open correctly this way it doesn't come off as premeditated (also do not observe for too long before going in) so it shouldn't appear rude
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Postby Rhody » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:10 pm

When I first started, I would avoid sets like this. I would think, "they're into a heavy conversation, they don't want me to interrupt them." But then I made myself open one. And it flew open.

I was thinking about a concept I call "state inertia," so this is as good a place as any to throw it out there. I think states have tendency to remain at the same level unless you guide them, or even jolt them. When a set is already in a high energy state, that's the best time to open them. Just match their energy and you're in! The state inertia will be your friend. They're all having a good time, then you come in asking about dental floss and guess what? They're STILL having a good time.

There's a trap here, though. If you come in with lower energy than theirs, the set might go well at first because of their state inertia. However, you will eventually bring their state down, and they will intuitively know it's YOUR FAULT. You walk away thinking, "huh, that set was going well and then it just died. What happened?" The answer is that it wasn't going well at all; it just took a while for your low energy to overcome their state inertia.

Still on the topic of state inertia, but not on the original topic (sorry), if you see a set that is down, you can bring their state up. However, the low energy state will have inertia too. My theory (and please let me know if you disagree because I'm talking out my butt here) is that it is better to suddenly change a low energy state with a state interrupt. You want it to be like a pool ball collision. You don't want to go in and say, "what's wrong? Can I make you feel better?" You want to open with, "WE NEED A PARTY OVER HERE STAT!" For example, if you see a girl who's distracted, you put your hand out, she grabs it, you make her do a little spin, you give her a big smile. It's a state interrupt. It breaks her state inertia and immediately lifts her energy.
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Postby Welsh_Dragon » Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:31 am

I find these sets are best opened with kino. Touch the girl's shoulder and she is sure to break from the group and listen to you (which will cause the others to do so too).
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