weekend in field report (please critique)

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Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving holiday weekend. I sure did and I will be hitting the gym hard because of it. :)

I had some good practice in my PUA journey this weekend but I still have so much to learn from you guys so I will try my best to summarize my experiences. I'm not sure where to post infield reports so I'll post here.

[B][U]Saturday night[/U][/B],

I attended a dance club that was pretty packed in Oklahoma City. I opened up my first set which was 2 hot asian girls surrounded by some guys with an opinion opener. It was kinda funny because the girl on the right gave me a dirty look and turned away from me while her friend pecked in to ask me to repeat (it was a loud and we were near the dance floor). I repeated again and she answered my opener, then i followed up with how do you guys know each other and she didn't respond to i ejected. LOL How do you guys handle LOUD MUSIC?

My 2nd set, I opened a 2 set white gal HB7 and asian gal HB8.5 with an opinion opener. Again they asked me to repeat because it was loud, but they heard me clearly the 2nd time because we were near the bar area away from the speakers. The responded and then I went with "So are you guys like best friends?' And they both looked at each other and said "pretty much." So I go to introduce myself and they tell me their names. I look at the HB9 girl and say "you must be the good one" and i look at the other HB7 gal and say "and you must be the BAD one." Plus I also said "you and I would never get along" to the HB7 "because every Mandy that I've ever known was very domineering and outspoken" hahaha her friend backed me up by saying "omg! that is so true..a lot of people say that about her!" while HB7 was looking in shock lol..so i look to HB8.5 and say "see..we know what's up" and high-5 her. After that, I ran out of material lol so I gracefully ejected and said it was nice to meet them. To be honest, I didn't know who I was gaming..I guess HB7 since I was negging her. But then again, I also negged the HB8.5 by saying she was the good one since nobody wants to be the good one (aka boring). I could use some direction in how to better focus on my target. I felt like I was gaming all over the place. I also stopped because I still have not constructed my own DHV stories to transition into to bait the target(s) to give me IOIs. I should have some dhv stories finished in a few days and I can't wait to implement those into my game.

My last set was DIRECT game because I saw a beautiful HB7.5 brunette drinking by the bar area. I walked up directly to her and told her that she was very cute and I had to come over to talk to her. She seemed surprised and asked me what my name was and I told her. I also followed up with "so what else do you have going on besides your looks?" and she replied back with "i dunno...i'm pretty busy with work so I don't have much time for anything else. I work two jobs in healthcare, etc." I replied back and asked her "...well do you cook at least?" She said "yes, i do." I rewarded her with "well..that's a start" Some push/pull here and there and some negs thrown in between. I eventually kino'ed her with high-fives and my hand on her back at times during the conversation. My body was to her side..wit both of us looking onto the dance floor...during the conversation. I proceeded to bounce her near the dance area with "hey, let's go make some friends!" and I held my arm out for her to grab it which she obliged....so i intro'ed her to my friends and she asked me for my age while we were out there. I said "well let's go outside and talk and i might tell you since it's quieter" she said after she finishes her drink..but by that time, the club was shutting down and lights came on. I proceeed to walk her to her car..walking hand in hand. I told her we should hang out soon and she said "okay, i will give you my number." I called it immediately and asked her to save it with a nickname of mine and she laughed. I then gave her a hug and ran a compliance test for her to kiss my right cheek and she obliged. I then asked her to kiss the other cheek and as she was going to, i tried to sneak a kiss onto her lips LOL but she pulled away...and she said " not so fast mr. smooth" i laughed and said "okay...next time. i will talk to you later." So i texted her an hour later which was like 2:30/2:45 am saying it was nice to meet her and we should hang out soon and that i will be dreaming about those biscuits and gravy that she mentioned she would make for me. she didn't reply and i figured she was probably asleep already. So today I call around 2:50pm. She didn't answer and didn't call back. I didn't even bother to leave a TEXT. I figured Game Over and somewhere along I didn't have TIGHT game. Maybe you guys can point out where I went wrong. She was older than me by 5 years and kept asking me for my age as if she was qualifying me. LOL maybe that was it. IDK.

[B][U]SUNDAY[/U][/B]

I went to the mall today and did my first legitimate daytime approach. And boy did I know how to pick 'em. I passed up every hot/cute girl that I walked by and mind you..perhaps it was approach anxiety because I was afraid of not knowing what to say(content) after my DIRECT appraoch..there weren't that many around 4:00pm. Anyhoo, I ended up seeing a HB9.5 (omg like a girl worth of being on the ENTOURAGE show)..she appeared to be a hot, classy, worldly MODEL gal. Anyways, she passed by me walking briskly so i turn back and catch up with her and she looked almost SCARED lol. I said "excuse me...i'm not usually this forward but i thought you were really cute and i had to come and talk to you or else i'd kick myself later." I was so happy because she appeared to be in awe when she said "oh wow...this never really happens to me in the day" so i just wing it and say "well my name is _____" and in turn she offered me her name. (btw, i was a little nervous this whole time and you could sorta detect it in my voice...not sure if she could or not..but maybe. But I got the impression she was seeing DHV from my approach judging from her response/body language) I follow up with "so are you doing a little xmas shopping today?" a nd she said "no..not really..i;m just really in to get some things at so and so store." I then say "oh nice..well I'm originally from okc but moved to dallas and i'm in town for the holidays to visit friends and fam" She then asked me about why I moved to dallas..how i like it there, blah blah.. (she's basically helping to continue the conversation) I then ask her if she is a student and she said "no..i've been out of school for a while now..why did you ask me that?" I said " well you look young enough to be in school...just a hunch" then she said "oh you must've gotten those from my sweatpants..these are like 5 years old but i love wearing them " and she made me look and i was like...WHOAH..she has a killer body, too..LOL..and then i say well i can't be staying long because I am supposed to meet some friends but i will be in town next week to celebrate my birthday and you should join us...why don't i take your number and we can continue this later" she hesitated and said "well do you have facebook?" I said "yes, but i wlil need your last name to add you" and so i pulled my phone out to get ready to type her name in a memo and she said "are you pulling facebook up right now?" i said "no silly, i'm gonna get your name because i got to get goin" and then said said "okay..here's my number..." i was like wow..i got the # haha..so I proceed to enter it and save her name and then i go to DIAL it with her there....I said "okay i'm gonna dial the number so you'll have mine and wn't think it's some weird telemarketer" she looked at her phone and said "is this you?" and i said "yes, save me as " ahhah she laughed at my nickname and asked me how i got the name. I told her and said okay i will talk to you later..have a good day. This was the best of my PUA experience this weekend. But I'm not at the point where I want to game it a little tighter on this one so that is why I haven't followed up with any text/phone yet. I'm actually gonna text but not sure how to move forward and keep it burning until I come into town next weekend. Any ideas from you experienced guys?

I really believe in this PUA journey guys and how I'm trying to improve and build the life I've always wanted. I've done it in other areas of my life and I'm so excited in this area of social jiujitsu and going out to get what you want and not settling for less. hehe *rant off*

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[B][U]Saturday night[/U][/B],

I attended a dance club that was pretty packed in Oklahoma City. I opened up my first set which was 2 hot asian girls surrounded by some guys with an opinion opener. It was kinda funny because the girl on the right gave me a dirty look and turned away from me while her friend pecked in to ask me to repeat (it was a loud and we were near the dance floor). I repeated again and she answered my opener, then i followed up with how do you guys know each other and she didn't respond to i ejected. LOL How do you guys handle LOUD MUSIC?

[B]Instead of trying to carry on a conversation, you might try dancing with her. Don't get all "horndog" on her and start grinding you cahk into her. You will come across as a guy that wants only one thing and doesn't care about anything else other than getting in her pants. [/B]

[B]It sounds like it was way too early to be asking two girls how they met. I'd try and build a little more comfort before I asked that question. You also hadn't offered up anything about yourself yet. [/B]

My 2nd set, I opened a 2 set white gal HB7 and asian gal HB8.5 with an opinion opener. Again they asked me to repeat because it was loud, but they heard me clearly the 2nd time because we were near the bar area away from the speakers. The responded and then I went with "So are you guys like best friends?' And they both looked at each other and said "pretty much." So I go to introduce myself and they tell me their names. I look at the HB9 girl and say "you must be the good one" and i look at the other HB7 gal and say "and you must be the BAD one." Plus I also said "you and I would never get along" to the HB7 "because every Mandy that I've ever known was very domineering and outspoken" hahaha her friend backed me up by saying "omg! that is so true..a lot of people say that about her!" while HB7 was looking in shock lol..so i look to HB8.5 and say "see..we know what's up" and high-5 her. After that, I ran out of material lol so I gracefully ejected and said it was nice to meet them. To be honest, I didn't know who I was gaming..I guess HB7 since I was negging her. But then again, I also negged the HB8.5 by saying she was the good one since nobody wants to be the good one (aka boring). I could use some direction in how to better focus on my target. I felt like I was gaming all over the place. I also stopped because I still have not constructed my own DHV stories to transition into to bait the target(s) to give me IOIs. I should have some dhv stories finished in a few days and I can't wait to implement those into my game.

[B]I'd have to say nice job here. You got the entire group involved in the interaction. Thats important to do because a lot of times there will be a cahkblocker in the group who will do her best to shut down your game that you are running on her friend. [/B]

[B]Typically most focus their game on the one they think is most attractive. If you thought they were all attractive then make a quick assessment of their personalities and hone your game in on her. Also you can try and single out the one that is showing you the most positive body language. After you've selected her try and pull her off to the side, out of the group. This is when a good wingman comes in handy. [/B]

My last set was DIRECT game because I saw a beautiful HB7.5 brunette drinking by the bar area. I walked up directly to her and told her that she was very cute and I had to come over to talk to her. She seemed surprised and asked me what my name was and I told her. I also followed up with "so what else do you have going on besides your looks?" and she replied back with "i dunno...i'm pretty busy with work so I don't have much time for anything else. I work two jobs in healthcare, etc." I replied back and asked her "...well do you cook at least?" She said "yes, i do." I rewarded her with "well..that's a start" Some push/pull here and there and some negs thrown in between. I eventually kino'ed her with high-fives and my hand on her back at times during the conversation. My body was to her side..wit both of us looking onto the dance floor...during the conversation. I proceeded to bounce her near the dance area with "hey, let's go make some friends!" and I held my arm out for her to grab it which she obliged....so i intro'ed her to my friends and she asked me for my age while we were out there. I said "well let's go outside and talk and i might tell you since it's quieter" she said after she finishes her drink..but by that time, the club was shutting down and lights came on. I proceeed to walk her to her car..walking hand in hand. I told her we should hang out soon and she said "okay, i will give you my number." I called it immediately and asked her to save it with a nickname of mine and she laughed. I then gave her a hug and ran a compliance test for her to kiss my right cheek and she obliged. I then asked her to kiss the other cheek and as she was going to, i tried to sneak a kiss onto her lips LOL but she pulled away...and she said " not so fast mr. smooth" i laughed and said "okay...next time. i will talk to you later." So i texted her an hour later which was like 2:30/2:45 am saying it was nice to meet her and we should hang out soon and that i will be dreaming about those biscuits and gravy that she mentioned she would make for me. she didn't reply and i figured she was probably asleep already. So today I call around 2:50pm. She didn't answer and didn't call back. I didn't even bother to leave a TEXT. I figured Game Over and somewhere along I didn't have TIGHT game. Maybe you guys can point out where I went wrong. She was older than me by 5 years and kept asking me for my age as if she was qualifying me. LOL maybe that was it. IDK.

[B]Who knows why this chic wasn't interested. There could be a million reasons that have nothing to do with what you did. It just happens![/B]
[B]Sounds like you kept the conversation fun and light and implemented some good pua tactics. [/B]

[B]The texting her an hour later was pretty needy and I don't recommend ever doing that again. [/B]

[B]My experience has always been, if I have built enough attraction the age thing goes away and isn't an issue. [/B]

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[QUOTE=budgetballer;33829][B][U]Saturday night[/U][/B],

I attended a dance club that was pretty packed in Oklahoma City. I opened up my first set which was 2 hot asian girls surrounded by some guys with an opinion opener. It was kinda funny because the girl on the right gave me a dirty look and turned away from me while her friend pecked in to ask me to repeat (it was a loud and we were near the dance floor). I repeated again and she answered my opener, then i followed up with how do you guys know each other and she didn't respond to i ejected. LOL How do you guys handle LOUD MUSIC?[/QUOTE]


[COLOR=DarkRed][B]Easy, I don't go to places with loud music. PU is hard enough without the up hill battle of dealing with overly loud music. Hot girls do tend to go to loud clubs but usually do so for the protection that the volume of the club brings. You could argue it's a shit test, i.e. if you can deal with the volume and remain composed, then she'll find you a worthy mate. But, in my experience I've found that clubs are just full of young, silly girls that are there to get attention with their bodies and aren't all that interested in actually meeting someone.[/B][/COLOR]


[QUOTE=budgetballer;33829]My 2nd set, I opened a 2 set white gal HB7 and asian gal HB8.5 with an opinion opener. Again they asked me to repeat because it was loud, but they heard me clearly the 2nd time because we were near the bar area away from the speakers. The responded and then I went with "So are you guys like best friends?' And they both looked at each other and said "pretty much." So I go to introduce myself and they tell me their names. I look at the HB9 girl and say "you must be the good one" and i look at the other HB7 gal and say "and you must be the BAD one." Plus I also said "you and I would never get along" to the HB7 "because every Mandy that I've ever known was very domineering and outspoken" hahaha her friend backed me up by saying "omg! that is so true..a lot of people say that about her!" while HB7 was looking in shock lol..so i look to HB8.5 and say "see..we know what's up" and high-5 her. After that, I ran out of material lol so I gracefully ejected and said it was nice to meet them. To be honest, I didn't know who I was gaming..I guess HB7 since I was negging her. But then again, I also negged the HB8.5 by saying she was the good one since nobody wants to be the good one (aka boring). I could use some direction in how to better focus on my target. I felt like I was gaming all over the place. I also stopped because I still have not constructed my own DHV stories to transition into to bait the target(s) to give me IOIs. I should have some dhv stories finished in a few days and I can't wait to implement those into my game.[/QUOTE]


[COLOR=DarkRed][B]The way I like to think about a set is that the entire set is mine. Any and all of the girls in the set could potentially be my target. It's not just 100% about looks, there's so much more that factors into my decision. So, what I do is approach the group, and hedge my approach. Sometimes I'll ignore one girl, neg another, complement the third (something silly like I love your teeth), and then mix it up and do the same to each of the other girls. The reason I do this is to turn the table. Inside of me chasing them, I want them chasing me. Also, it adds an extra dynamic that you treat all girls the same so it makes you that much more dangerous in your approach and makes that much more eager to try to pull the fun, witty guy that's making me and my girlfriends laugh. This is why I'm a horrible wingman and don't use them. This is my set. Get your own![/B][/COLOR]

[QUOTE=budgetballer;33829]My last set was DIRECT game because I saw a beautiful HB7.5 brunette drinking by the bar area. I walked up directly to her and told her that she was very cute and I had to come over to talk to her. She seemed surprised and asked me what my name was and I told her. I also followed up with "so what else do you have going on besides your looks?" and she replied back with "i dunno...i'm pretty busy with work so I don't have much time for anything else. I work two jobs in healthcare, etc." I replied back and asked her "...well do you cook at least?" She said "yes, i do." I rewarded her with "well..that's a start" Some push/pull here and there and some negs thrown in between. I eventually kino'ed her with high-fives and my hand on her back at times during the conversation. My body was to her side..wit both of us looking onto the dance floor...during the conversation. I proceeded to bounce her near the dance area with "hey, let's go make some friends!" and I held my arm out for her to grab it which she obliged....so i intro'ed her to my friends and she asked me for my age while we were out there. I said "well let's go outside and talk and i might tell you since it's quieter" she said after she finishes her drink..but by that time, the club was shutting down and lights came on. I proceeed to walk her to her car..walking hand in hand. I told her we should hang out soon and she said "okay, i will give you my number." I called it immediately and asked her to save it with a nickname of mine and she laughed. I then gave her a hug and ran a compliance test for her to kiss my right cheek and she obliged. I then asked her to kiss the other cheek and as she was going to, i tried to sneak a kiss onto her lips LOL but she pulled away...and she said " not so fast mr. smooth" i laughed and said "okay...next time. i will talk to you later." So i texted her an hour later which was like 2:30/2:45 am saying it was nice to meet her and we should hang out soon and that i will be dreaming about those biscuits and gravy that she mentioned she would make for me. she didn't reply and i figured she was probably asleep already. So today I call around 2:50pm. She didn't answer and didn't call back. I didn't even bother to leave a TEXT. I figured Game Over and somewhere along I didn't have TIGHT game. Maybe you guys can point out where I went wrong. She was older than me by 5 years and kept asking me for my age as if she was qualifying me. LOL maybe that was it. IDK.[/QUOTE]


[COLOR=DarkRed][B]Age differences for women are important. It sucks, but girls generally will not date guys that are younger than them. That's just the way things work. There are exceptions to this though. Women that are cheating on their husbands/boyfriends usually seek out younger men. And older women, say late 30s and early 40s (i.e. cougars) seek out younger men as well. Usually the natural order of things is that a woman will be interested in an older man. In my opinion, by the time you're 30 you'll be able to pull women as young as say 21 and as old as 35. That's a huge spectrum of women. By the time you hit 45, if you take care of yourself, you'll be able to pull women as young as their late 20s to early 30s. The younger you are as a man, the smaller your spectrum of ages that you'll be able to pull. That's just the sad truth.

I don't think it was inappropriate to text her an hour later. I'm not sure that conveys neediness so much as being horny. Which is OK. In general, I've found that women will not usually respond to your text message that late in the evening unless 1) they want you to come over or they want to hook up that night OR 2) they are really interested in you and excited that you met. If she's just marginally interested, or trying to play it close to the vest, she'll respond the next morning.

As for calling her, you've got to learn that their is absolutely no reason in today's society to call a girl about anything. Unless, of course, you need directions to her place.
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[QUOTE=budgetballer;33829][B][U]SUNDAY[/U][/B]

I went to the mall today and did my first legitimate daytime approach. And boy did I know how to pick 'em. I passed up every hot/cute girl that I walked by and mind you..perhaps it was approach anxiety because I was afraid of not knowing what to say(content) after my DIRECT appraoch..there weren't that many around 4:00pm. Anyhoo, I ended up seeing a HB9.5 (omg like a girl worth of being on the ENTOURAGE show)..she appeared to be a hot, classy, worldly MODEL gal. Anyways, she passed by me walking briskly so i turn back and catch up with her and she looked almost SCARED lol. I said "excuse me...i'm not usually this forward but i thought you were really cute and i had to come and talk to you or else i'd kick myself later." I was so happy because she appeared to be in awe when she said "oh wow...this never really happens to me in the day" so i just wing it and say "well my name is _____" and in turn she offered me her name. (btw, i was a little nervous this whole time and you could sorta detect it in my voice...not sure if she could or not..but maybe. But I got the impression she was seeing DHV from my approach judging from her response/body language) I follow up with "so are you doing a little xmas shopping today?" a nd she said "no..not really..i;m just really in to get some things at so and so store." I then say "oh nice..well I'm originally from okc but moved to dallas and i'm in town for the holidays to visit friends and fam" She then asked me about why I moved to dallas..how i like it there, blah blah.. (she's basically helping to continue the conversation) I then ask her if she is a student and she said "no..i've been out of school for a while now..why did you ask me that?" I said " well you look young enough to be in school...just a hunch" then she said "oh you must've gotten those from my sweatpants..these are like 5 years old but i love wearing them " and she made me look and i was like...WHOAH..she has a killer body, too..LOL..and then i say well i can't be staying long because I am supposed to meet some friends but i will be in town next week to celebrate my birthday and you should join us...why don't i take your number and we can continue this later" she hesitated and said "well do you have facebook?" I said "yes, but i wlil need your last name to add you" and so i pulled my phone out to get ready to type her name in a memo and she said "are you pulling facebook up right now?" i said "no silly, i'm gonna get your name because i got to get goin" and then said said "okay..here's my number..." i was like wow..i got the # haha..so I proceed to enter it and save her name and then i go to DIAL it with her there....I said "okay i'm gonna dial the number so you'll have mine and wn't think it's some weird telemarketer" she looked at her phone and said "is this you?" and i said "yes, save me as " ahhah she laughed at my nickname and asked me how i got the name. I told her and said okay i will talk to you later..have a good day. This was the best of my PUA experience this weekend. But I'm not at the point where I want to game it a little tighter on this one so that is why I haven't followed up with any text/phone yet. I'm actually gonna text but not sure how to move forward and keep it burning until I come into town next weekend. Any ideas from you experienced guys? [/QUOTE]


[COLOR=DarkRed][B]This is a great pick up on your part. Day game is always a lot different from night game. The dynamics are just so different so congratulations on pulling this one off.

Now, as for the texts, I would just start talking with her. Keep it fun and playful but don't feel like you need to have long, drawn out threads with her. A couple of short, quick threads over the next week should be more than sufficient to pique her interest further and get her excited about seeing you this weekend.

Remember, and this is one of the toughest lessons to learn, yes she's hot and all that great stuff. BUT, she's also just a girl. By sitting around trying to figure out what to say, you've already committed a cardinal sin. You put her on a pedestal. She doesn't belong there, you do. So, knock her ass off, until she's proven she's worth it, and get back on it and just treat her like every other girl.

Oh yeah, AND DON'T CALL HER!!
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When you attend a meeting and we meet you face to face (just to ensure you are a dude and whatev), we'll add you to the Lounge section where there is a Field Report section and another sections of worth.

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I repeated again and she answered my opener, then i followed up with how do you guys know each other and she didn't respond to i ejected. LOL How do you guys handle LOUD MUSIC?
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If Solace still checks the board, he'd be a good one to answer this. All I've ever done is dance with them (normally rolling off a pivot of sorts), get a little kino in, then pull her close at some point and say, "I need a drink...follow me." Grab her hand (gently) and lead her off the dance floor. She'll either comply or reject. Either way, just go get your drink, cool off, and try again with someone else. Easier than trying to have a conversation in a spot where she specifically went to DANCE.

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Again they asked me to repeat because it was loud
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Someone needs to practice club voice. You need to be comfortable speaking at a volume that's audible in this type of environment if you're gonna game there. Should be one of the very first things you get a handle on before going for dance club game.

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The responded and then I went with "So are you guys like best friends?' And they both looked at each other and said "pretty much." So I go to introduce myself and they tell me their names. I look at the HB9 girl and say "you must be the good one" and i look at the other HB7 gal and say "and you must be the BAD one." Plus I also said "you and I would never get along" to the HB7 "because every Mandy that I've ever known was very domineering and outspoken" hahaha her friend backed me up by saying "omg! that is so true..a lot of people say that about her!" while HB7 was looking in shock lol..so i look to HB8.5 and say "see..we know what's up" and high-5 her. After that, I ran out of material lol so I gracefully ejected and said it was nice to meet them. To be honest, I didn't know who I was gaming..I guess HB7 since I was negging her. But then again, I also negged the HB8.5 by saying she was the good one since nobody wants to be the good one (aka boring). I could use some direction in how to better focus on my target. I felt like I was gaming all over the place. I also stopped because I still have not constructed my own DHV stories to transition into to bait the target(s) to give me IOIs. I should have some dhv stories finished in a few days and I can't wait to implement those into my game.
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I got confused for a second. I thought I was reading an excerpt from "The Game". Loosen up, brother. You don't need to recite the flippin' Mystery Method at a set. It's going to seem gamey. It's going to seem like you're performing, rather than interacting. The method is supposed to be a bare-bones framework for you to build on. If you can't make it up on the fly yet, take the time to work on some threads and shit of your own...the time taken will be well worth it and prevent you from being called out as a follower of, "That VH1 show with the lanky creeper." Also, if you're the only one in the set...then don't worry about picking a target. Technically speaking, you're gonna need to game them all.

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So today I call around 2:50pm. She didn't answer and didn't call back.
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Drop the calling thing, holmes. Seriously. It's coming off waaaaayyy too pushy. I wouldn't write her off just yet, either. Instead of constantly bringing up things she's going to do for you and pushing this dom/sub frame on to your whole interaction...try shooting her a light/funny/witty/playful text. Something that she doesn't even need to respond to. I think the thing that's turning her off is you're coming off too domineering.


Your Sunday approach is money. A little gimmicky, but it worked, and that's what matters. You need to make contact soon so she won't forget you and so you can build up enough comfort/rapport that she might actually think about swinging by your Birthday celebration. Maybe something like, "I'm afraid I'm going to have to go Fashion Police on you and prohibit you from wearing your sweatpants to my Birthday celebration...even though they WERE kinda awesome" or something playful to that effect.

Since you no longer live in OKC, I'd shy away from telling girls you're from out of town (during the day.) I'd make it seem more like you just travel a lot between the two, perhaps for work. I have no idea what you're doing for your birthday, but if you're going out to a bar/club or two, don't just invite HER. Say something like, "You and some friends should swing by ____ bar/club Saturday night. We'll be doing it big for my Birthday!"

To keep this one going, you're gonna have to delve in to HER. Get that Facebook add. Learn a little about her. That should give you an idea of some shit to text her about. Send her texts here and there hinting at some fun thing you're out doing..."Holy shit...I just went sky diving for the first time...I am LITERALLY on Cloud 9 right now. Best. Feeling. Ever." That should at the very least get a response. Find out of she's ever done it, would she, etc. The sky's the limit here, and PLEASE for the love of God refrain from sending her excerpts you read in "The Game" or "Mystery Method"...lol.

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[QUOTE=UncleHOwie;33832][B][U]Saturday night[/U][/B],

I attended a dance club that was pretty packed in Oklahoma City. I opened up my first set which was 2 hot asian girls surrounded by some guys with an opinion opener. It was kinda funny because the girl on the right gave me a dirty look and turned away from me while her friend pecked in to ask me to repeat (it was a loud and we were near the dance floor). I repeated again and she answered my opener, then i followed up with how do you guys know each other and she didn't respond to i ejected. LOL How do you guys handle LOUD MUSIC?

[B]Instead of trying to carry on a conversation, you might try dancing with her. Don't get all "horndog" on her and start grinding you cahk into her. You will come across as a guy that wants only one thing and doesn't care about anything else other than getting in her pants. [/B]

[B]It sounds like it was way too early to be asking two girls how they met. I'd try and build a little more comfort before I asked that question. You also hadn't offered up anything about yourself yet. [/B]

My 2nd set, I opened a 2 set white gal HB7 and asian gal HB8.5 with an opinion opener. Again they asked me to repeat because it was loud, but they heard me clearly the 2nd time because we were near the bar area away from the speakers. The responded and then I went with "So are you guys like best friends?' And they both looked at each other and said "pretty much." So I go to introduce myself and they tell me their names. I look at the HB9 girl and say "you must be the good one" and i look at the other HB7 gal and say "and you must be the BAD one." Plus I also said "you and I would never get along" to the HB7 "because every Mandy that I've ever known was very domineering and outspoken" hahaha her friend backed me up by saying "omg! that is so true..a lot of people say that about her!" while HB7 was looking in shock lol..so i look to HB8.5 and say "see..we know what's up" and high-5 her. After that, I ran out of material lol so I gracefully ejected and said it was nice to meet them. To be honest, I didn't know who I was gaming..I guess HB7 since I was negging her. But then again, I also negged the HB8.5 by saying she was the good one since nobody wants to be the good one (aka boring). I could use some direction in how to better focus on my target. I felt like I was gaming all over the place. I also stopped because I still have not constructed my own DHV stories to transition into to bait the target(s) to give me IOIs. I should have some dhv stories finished in a few days and I can't wait to implement those into my game.

[B]I'd have to say nice job here. You got the entire group involved in the interaction. Thats important to do because a lot of times there will be a cahkblocker in the group who will do her best to shut down your game that you are running on her friend. [/B]

[B]Typically most focus their game on the one they think is most attractive. If you thought they were all attractive then make a quick assessment of their personalities and hone your game in on her. Also you can try and single out the one that is showing you the most positive body language. After you've selected her try and pull her off to the side, out of the group. This is when a good wingman comes in handy. [/B]

My last set was DIRECT game because I saw a beautiful HB7.5 brunette drinking by the bar area. I walked up directly to her and told her that she was very cute and I had to come over to talk to her. She seemed surprised and asked me what my name was and I told her. I also followed up with "so what else do you have going on besides your looks?" and she replied back with "i dunno...i'm pretty busy with work so I don't have much time for anything else. I work two jobs in healthcare, etc." I replied back and asked her "...well do you cook at least?" She said "yes, i do." I rewarded her with "well..that's a start" Some push/pull here and there and some negs thrown in between. I eventually kino'ed her with high-fives and my hand on her back at times during the conversation. My body was to her side..wit both of us looking onto the dance floor...during the conversation. I proceeded to bounce her near the dance area with "hey, let's go make some friends!" and I held my arm out for her to grab it which she obliged....so i intro'ed her to my friends and she asked me for my age while we were out there. I said "well let's go outside and talk and i might tell you since it's quieter" she said after she finishes her drink..but by that time, the club was shutting down and lights came on. I proceeed to walk her to her car..walking hand in hand. I told her we should hang out soon and she said "okay, i will give you my number." I called it immediately and asked her to save it with a nickname of mine and she laughed. I then gave her a hug and ran a compliance test for her to kiss my right cheek and she obliged. I then asked her to kiss the other cheek and as she was going to, i tried to sneak a kiss onto her lips LOL but she pulled away...and she said " not so fast mr. smooth" i laughed and said "okay...next time. i will talk to you later." So i texted her an hour later which was like 2:30/2:45 am saying it was nice to meet her and we should hang out soon and that i will be dreaming about those biscuits and gravy that she mentioned she would make for me. she didn't reply and i figured she was probably asleep already. So today I call around 2:50pm. She didn't answer and didn't call back. I didn't even bother to leave a TEXT. I figured Game Over and somewhere along I didn't have TIGHT game. Maybe you guys can point out where I went wrong. She was older than me by 5 years and kept asking me for my age as if she was qualifying me. LOL maybe that was it. IDK.

[B]Who knows why this chic wasn't interested. There could be a million reasons that have nothing to do with what you did. It just happens![/B]
[B]Sounds like you kept the conversation fun and light and implemented some good pua tactics. [/B]

[B]The texting her an hour later was pretty needy and I don't recommend ever doing that again. [/B]

[B]My experience has always been, if I have built enough attraction the age thing goes away and isn't an issue. [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the critique, UncleHowie. I wasn't trying to be needy with the text after the club. I was just trying to do what Mystery and others have done and said to call/text as soon if you want to just keep it going. And you're probably right about why she hasn't bitten, perhaps it's out of my hands on what may be the reason but I'm always trying to improve and look for where the holes are in my game as I learn...

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;33836][COLOR=DarkRed][B]Easy, I don't go to places with loud music. PU is hard enough without the up hill battle of dealing with overly loud music. Hot girls do tend to go to loud clubs but usually do so for the protection that the volume of the club brings. You could argue it's a shit test, i.e. if you can deal with the volume and remain composed, then she'll find you a worthy mate. But, in my experience I've found that clubs are just full of young, silly girls that are there to get attention with their bodies and aren't all that interested in actually meeting someone.[/B][/COLOR]





[COLOR=DarkRed][B]The way I like to think about a set is that the entire set is mine. Any and all of the girls in the set could potentially be my target. It's not just 100% about looks, there's so much more that factors into my decision. So, what I do is approach the group, and hedge my approach. Sometimes I'll ignore one girl, neg another, complement the third (something silly like I love your teeth), and then mix it up and do the same to each of the other girls. The reason I do this is to turn the table. Inside of me chasing them, I want them chasing me. Also, it adds an extra dynamic that you treat all girls the same so it makes you that much more dangerous in your approach and makes that much more eager to try to pull the fun, witty guy that's making me and my girlfriends laugh. This is why I'm a horrible wingman and don't use them. This is my set. Get your own![/B][/COLOR]




[COLOR=DarkRed][B]Age differences for women are important. It sucks, but girls generally will not date guys that are younger than them. That's just the way things work. There are exceptions to this though. Women that are cheating on their husbands/boyfriends usually seek out younger men. And older women, say late 30s and early 40s (i.e. cougars) seek out younger men as well. Usually the natural order of things is that a woman will be interested in an older man. In my opinion, by the time you're 30 you'll be able to pull women as young as say 21 and as old as 35. That's a huge spectrum of women. By the time you hit 45, if you take care of yourself, you'll be able to pull women as young as their late 20s to early 30s. The younger you are as a man, the smaller your spectrum of ages that you'll be able to pull. That's just the sad truth.

I don't think it was inappropriate to text her an hour later. I'm not sure that conveys neediness so much as being horny. Which is OK. In general, I've found that women will not usually respond to your text message that late in the evening unless 1) they want you to come over or they want to hook up that night OR 2) they are really interested in you and excited that you met. If she's just marginally interested, or trying to play it close to the vest, she'll respond the next morning.

As for calling her, you've got to learn that their is absolutely no reason in today's society to call a girl about anything. Unless, of course, you need directions to her place.
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[COLOR=DarkRed][B]This is a great pick up on your part. Day game is always a lot different from night game. The dynamics are just so different so congratulations on pulling this one off.

Now, as for the texts, I would just start talking with her. Keep it fun and playful but don't feel like you need to have long, drawn out threads with her. A couple of short, quick threads over the next week should be more than sufficient to pique her interest further and get her excited about seeing you this weekend.

Remember, and this is one of the toughest lessons to learn, yes she's hot and all that great stuff. BUT, she's also just a girl. By sitting around trying to figure out what to say, you've already committed a cardinal sin. You put her on a pedestal. She doesn't belong there, you do. So, knock her ass off, until she's proven she's worth it, and get back on it and just treat her like every other girl.

Oh yeah, AND DON'T CALL HER!!
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Thanks, BullRun =). I know...NO MORE CALLS :D. This really is taking a lot of getting used to ..because that's all I really knew. btw, when i sent the first text it was not out of being h**ny but I just wanted to keep the mojo going or have her think of me right before she goes to bed. Oh well. I failed lol.

The only one I will be gaming now is the DayTime girl and I'm not sure how to come on not too boring and not too strong but I think Smirks is giving me a great idea.

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[QUOTE=Smirks;33837]When you attend a meeting and we meet you face to face (just to ensure you are a dude and whatev), we'll add you to the Lounge section where there is a Field Report section and another sections of worth.

[FONT="Courier New"][COLOR="SeaGreen"] :) I'm looking forward to it. Will there be a meeting in December or January?[/COLOR] [/FONT]

If Solace still checks the board, he'd be a good one to answer this. All I've ever done is dance with them (normally rolling off a pivot of sorts), get a little kino in, then pull her close at some point and say, "I need a drink...follow me." Grab her hand (gently) and lead her off the dance floor. She'll either comply or reject. Either way, just go get your drink, cool off, and try again with someone else. Easier than trying to have a conversation in a spot where she specifically went to DANCE.



Someone needs to practice club voice. You need to be comfortable speaking at a volume that's audible in this type of environment if you're gonna game there. Should be one of the very first things you get a handle on before going for dance club game.



I got confused for a second. I thought I was reading an excerpt from "The Game". Loosen up, brother. You don't need to recite the flippin' Mystery Method at a set. It's going to seem gamey. It's going to seem like you're performing, rather than interacting. The method is supposed to be a bare-bones framework for you to build on. If you can't make it up on the fly yet, take the time to work on some threads and shit of your own...the time taken will be well worth it and prevent you from being called out as a follower of, "That VH1 show with the lanky creeper." Also, if you're the only one in the set...then don't worry about picking a target. Technically speaking, you're gonna need to game them all.

[FONT="Courier New"][COLOR="SeaGreen"] HAHAHAH My bad, Smirks. But all I really know is Mystery Method and variations of it and I know that a lot of people vouch for it like Love Systems, Mehow, LoveDrop, and other names who don't say they use it, it appears they model their game after it without giving it credit. I could use some help with coming up with my own openers and gambits that feel natural. I only used the ones you mentioned because they were battle tested and i'm faking it til i make it and when i do it, i'm quite confident that it's not sounding like i recited it. I really believe it when i say it and act appropriately with body language and posture (i'm vibin' and in a good mood/mindset). If you can help me advance this and learn something more natural, i'm all for it. I am literally a sponge right now. But as I've said before, MM is all i know and I like what I've gotten out of it so far so I'm wanting to learn more and more and test them through practice. [/COLOR] [/FONT]


Drop the calling thing, holmes. Seriously. It's coming off waaaaayyy too pushy. I wouldn't write her off just yet, either. Instead of constantly bringing up things she's going to do for you and pushing this dom/sub frame on to your whole interaction...try shooting her a light/funny/witty/playful text. Something that she doesn't even need to respond to. I think the thing that's turning her off is you're coming off too domineering.

[FONT="Courier New"][COLOR="SeaGreen"] Will do. :) I need to remember that when I'm gaming next. Thanks for the tip. [/COLOR] [/FONT]


Your Sunday approach is money. A little gimmicky, but it worked, and that's what matters. You need to make contact soon so she won't forget you and so you can build up enough comfort/rapport that she might actually think about swinging by your Birthday celebration. Maybe something like, "I'm afraid I'm going to have to go Fashion Police on you and prohibit you from wearing your sweatpants to my Birthday celebration...even though they WERE kinda awesome" or something playful to that effect.

[FONT="Courier New"][COLOR="SeaGreen"] Your provided response to her sounds like MONEY. :D I'm just afraid I might offend her lol but hey...it's all good. It sounds cocky and funny. Do you recommend that as the first communication to her or should I just send a simple hello first and wait til she responds and go for the funny text in the middle of the thread?[/COLOR] [/FONT]

Since you no longer live in OKC, I'd shy away from telling girls you're from out of town (during the day.) I'd make it seem more like you just travel a lot between the two, perhaps for work. I have no idea what you're doing for your birthday, but if you're going out to a bar/club or two, don't just invite HER. Say something like, "You and some friends should swing by ____ bar/club Saturday night. We'll be doing it big for my Birthday!"

To keep this one going, you're gonna have to delve in to HER. Get that Facebook add. Learn a little about her. That should give you an idea of some shit to text her about. Send her texts here and there hinting at some fun thing you're out doing..."Holy shit...I just went sky diving for the first time...I am LITERALLY on Cloud 9 right now. Best. Feeling. Ever." That should at the very least get a response. Find out of she's ever done it, would she, etc. The sky's the limit here, and PLEASE for the love of God refrain from sending her excerpts you read in "The Game" or "Mystery Method"...lol.[/QUOTE]

[FONT="Courier New"][COLOR="SeaGreen"] There's a little problem here and I've been meaning to ask. I have facebook but it's pretty much DLV. All the pictures on my FB are of me and my close friends and family on vacation and parties. Nothing showing me out having a nightlife or being surrounded by beautiful women. I was thinking about deleting that account and starting up a new one and working to build a new one. Can you give me any insight on this? [/COLOR] [/FONT]

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I'm looking forward to it. Will there be a meeting in December or January?
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I'll talk to Vector and see what we can put together. We've all been very busy lately.

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HAHAHAH My bad, Smirks. But all I really know is Mystery Method and variations of it and I know that a lot of people vouch for it like Love Systems, Mehow, LoveDrop, and other names who don't say they use it, it appears they model their game after it without giving it credit. I could use some help with coming up with my own openers and gambits that feel natural. I only used the ones you mentioned because they were battle tested and i'm faking it til i make it and when i do it, i'm quite confident that it's not sounding like i recited it. I really believe it when i say it and act appropriately with body language and posture (i'm vibin' and in a good mood/mindset). If you can help me advance this and learn something more natural, i'm all for it. I am literally a sponge right now. But as I've said before, MM is all i know and I like what I've gotten out of it so far so I'm wanting to learn more and more and test them through practice.[/quote]

Like these "gurus" you mentioned, you can BASE your game off MM...but don't MAKE your game MM. Openers I use typically have to do with what's in the NOW. What's going on around me (pointing out/poking fun at some awkward drunk couple making softcore porn at the bar, super cheesy douche bag running around hitting on anything that could pass as a woman, etc.), something their doing (asking a bachelorette party if they actually know how to have a bachelorette party...because from what I've seen you kinda suck at it), to the simple, "I noticed you a bit ago, and you've piqued my interest (give a reason...they seem to be having a blast, unique style, whatev.) I would stay away from opinion openers. I think they're good for breaking down AA barriers, nothing more. She's a complete fucking stranger, why would you care what she thinks of this or that?

Fake it 'til you make it is a good mentality to have, but you're doing yourself a disservice by not putting a little work in to it outside of the bar/club. Sit down at your computer with Word open and type out some fun shit you've done. Type out some crazy/hilarious/awkward-then-now-funny situations you've been in. These will be a good place to start. If you don't have any, borrow some from friends until you think of your own. Work out slighty-elaborated (for entertainment purposes only) stories. Don't say you saved a baby from a burning building and a wild bear trying to make yourself look good. Just jazz them up a little bit to maintain attention. Practice them. Get in to the story. I have a bazillion different stories I can just rattle off at any time. I'll use them to create conversation, kill silence, etc. Don't worry about threading your stories until later...that's best left to the ADHD kids like myself, any way. :)

[QUOTE=budgetballer;33844]
Your provided response to her sounds like MONEY. I'm just afraid I might offend her lol but hey...it's all good. It sounds cocky and funny. Do you recommend that as the first communication to her or should I just send a simple hello first and wait til she responds and go for the funny text in the middle of the thread?[/quote]

Don't worry about offending her. You're talking about sweatpants for God's sake. If she takes offense to that, fuck her. I'd send it as the opening text, but that's only if you can build off of it. NEVER just send a, "Hi there" text. That's putting the pressure on her to create conversation. That doesn't worth with non-desparate girls. Men are responsible for 80% of the conversation in the beginning. Don't try to build attraction with sexual innuendo texts, either. You have nothing to base that on yet. You can make sexual intentions apparent if she shows to the bday partay...THEN turn up the heat with such texts.

[QUOTE=budgetballer;33844]
There's a little problem here and I've been meaning to ask. I have facebook but it's pretty much DLV. All the pictures on my FB are of me and my close friends and family on vacation and parties. Nothing showing me out having a nightlife or being surrounded by beautiful women. I was thinking about deleting that account and starting up a new one and working to build a new one. Can you give me any insight on this?
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Exactly how does being close with family and friends and going out and having a good time with them demonstrate lower value? Having close ties to family = DHV. Having friends = DHV. Having a good time with both = DHV. You don't need a party platter of club whores in all of your pics to display your higher value. Some women might actually be turned off by that. Be proud of what you've got. Some people don't have a close family. Some people don't have close friends. You're still holding too tight to the MM way of life. It's not supposed to dictate how you operate, just give you an idea. You don't need to carry a wallet of photos in your man purse of you with a ton of hot women. That's like a closet homosexual making out with girls...trying too hard to prove you're a lady's man. Not to mention most people try to keep their Facebook classy because of work-related ties. I've got loads of pics of me doing stupid shit on my Facebook, but I utilize User Lists and prohibit family and co-workers from seeing it. That's way off tangent...no idea why I mentioned it...lol.

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[QUOTE=Smirks;33845]I'll talk to Vector and see what we can put together. We've all been very busy lately.



Like these "gurus" you mentioned, you can BASE your game off MM...but don't MAKE your game MM. Openers I use typically have to do with what's in the NOW. What's going on around me (pointing out/poking fun at some awkward drunk couple making softcore porn at the bar, super cheesy douche bag running around hitting on anything that could pass as a woman, etc.), something their doing (asking a bachelorette party if they actually know how to have a bachelorette party...because from what I've seen you kinda suck at it), to the simple, "I noticed you a bit ago, and you've piqued my interest (give a reason...they seem to be having a blast, unique style, whatev.) I would stay away from opinion openers. I think they're good for breaking down AA barriers, nothing more. She's a complete fucking stranger, why would you care what she thinks of this or that?

Fake it 'til you make it is a good mentality to have, but you're doing yourself a disservice by not putting a little work in to it outside of the bar/club. Sit down at your computer with Word open and type out some fun shit you've done. Type out some crazy/hilarious/awkward-then-now-funny situations you've been in. These will be a good place to start. If you don't have any, borrow some from friends until you think of your own. Work out slighty-elaborated (for entertainment purposes only) stories. Don't say you saved a baby from a burning building and a wild bear trying to make yourself look good. Just jazz them up a little bit to maintain attention. Practice them. Get in to the story. I have a bazillion different stories I can just rattle off at any time. I'll use them to create conversation, kill silence, etc. Don't worry about threading your stories until later...that's best left to the ADHD kids like myself, any way. :)

[COLOR="YellowGreen"] I will see what I can come up with and will check with you guys to see if they are good or not. =) I used to use situational openers (before i knew about PUA and the community) and I got blown out of sets/individiuals quite often because they didn't care or figured my intent that's why I figured opinion openers were good in high energy environments where girls protection shields are high from all the onslaught of drunks and AFC men that approach them.....I am geared to run DIRECT game in the daytime because women are not as over-protective and are actually themselves in daytime.... Btw, could you explain to me what you meant about my daytime approach as "gimmicky"? I'd like to fix it/tighten up the game if it really is... [/COLOR]


Don't worry about offending her. You're talking about sweatpants for God's sake. If she takes offense to that, fuck her. I'd send it as the opening text, but that's only if you can build off of it. NEVER just send a, "Hi there" text. That's putting the pressure on her to create conversation. That doesn't worth with non-desparate girls. Men are responsible for 80% of the conversation in the beginning. Don't try to build attraction with sexual innuendo texts, either. You have nothing to base that on yet. You can make sexual intentions apparent if she shows to the bday partay...THEN turn up the heat with such texts.

[COLOR="YellowGreen"] Sweet. I will go ahead and send her the text you suggested. It's teasing and playful. I dig it. [/COLOR]


Exactly how does being close with family and friends and going out and having a good time with them demonstrate lower value? Having close ties to family = DHV. Having friends = DHV. Having a good time with both = DHV. You don't need a party platter of club whores in all of your pics to display your higher value. Some women might actually be turned off by that. Be proud of what you've got. Some people don't have a close family. Some people don't have close friends. You're still holding too tight to the MM way of life. It's not supposed to dictate how you operate, just give you an idea. You don't need to carry a wallet of photos in your man purse of you with a ton of hot women. That's like a closet homosexual making out with girls...trying too hard to prove you're a lady's man. Not to mention most people try to keep their Facebook classy because of work-related ties. I've got loads of pics of me doing stupid shit on my Facebook, but I utilize User Lists and prohibit family and co-workers from seeing it. That's way off tangent...no idea why I mentioned it...lol.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="YellowGreen"] I will take your word for it and not create a new facebook "avatar" or whatever they call it. I was just worried that she would see my life before I moved to Dallas in that I only hang out with a certain group of people and had actually few friends outside of my race. And those are not apparent in my photos. Here in Dallas, I'm beginning to build my social network slowly but surely... But i'm glad i feel like i have brothers in this journey on this board. It's a large reason why I feel like I have been stepping outside of my comfort zone...it's nice to have a support network.[/COLOR]

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I am pretty close to my niece and any time I tell a new girl about things my niece and I do together I score points in the value category. So that family stuff is good to have.