Interesting read about female infidelity

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[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1211104/Think-men-unfaithful-sex-A-study-shows-WOMEN-biggest-cheats--theyre-just-better-lying-it.html[/URL]

The more time I've spent in the Community, the more I've come to realize that the above is very much the truth. It's sad, but I pretty much never believe what women say...now, I only believe how they act. And even then, many times, it's still a lie.

I can honestly say that I've run into and have participated in a handful of encounters where I was the other man...not my proudest moment, but it is what it is.

Makes you think to yourself: how can you ever trust any woman?

Another interesting part of the article is the idea that women tend to be more strategic players in the realm of relationships. That they 'plan out' their exploits while men just sort of go with the flow. I think there is some credence to this concept. Think about how manipulative women can be with men. Think about how much they change once they feel as if they have 'won' you. Think about how they present themselves to you as one thing and gradually change themselves over the course of their relationship with you.

I think of it much the same way that I do our government. If you are not completely vigilant and aware every single second of every single day then you'll wake up one morning and you'll be under the finger of a tyrant. As men, we have a tendency to just assume that things as they are now will be as they will be in the future. But, women have completely different agendas. They think that things as they are today are just temporary and they are working to change them so that they fit into their idea of what they want in the future. It's called incrementalism, and women are masters of using it to get their way...

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Yeah, it's interesting.

Don't know if you've read the Red Queen (good book btw), but the author mentions this study in which 30% of the females in a certain species of birds cheated.

Then he goes on and mentions another study in a few towns in England, in which 30% of women also cheated.

Really made me wonder at the time.

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interesting read, and im surprised by this at all.

it really makes you wonder if you should ever be in a relationship.

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In my circle of married friends there are 5 females who are cheating on their husbands or were at one point, and only 2 of my male friends. Its pretty disgusting actually.

I get tired of hearing about how females communicate better than males when they can't seem to communicate to their partner whats wrong in their relationship. Instead they show a huge lack of respect/loyalty, violate trust, and show how weak they really are when they chose to cheat.

Females in general lack the nut sack to take care of business when the going gets tough. The more I learn of women, the more I never want to see one as president, a military leader, supreme court justice, ceo, or in any position where dignity and leadership skills are required.

Yeah you might think I'm off my rocker. I used to see women as equals to men, but that has changed with every new woman I meet. The female species was brought up to "lie" just as the article pointed out.

And for all of you out there who think you want to marry that perfect girl some time let me remind you of this:

I don't have one single married friend who feels that life improved after he got married. Every single one of them wishes they could be single living the life I'm living. There is no such thing as a "perfect" woman. Women are a dime a dozen, and when it comes down to it, they don't have much to offer.

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[QUOTE=UncleHOwie;33044]I get tired of hearing about how females communicate better than males when they can't seem to communicate to their partner whats wrong in their relationship. Instead they show a huge lack of respect/loyalty, violate trust, and show how weak they really are when they chose to cheat.

Females in general lack the nut sack to take care of business when the going gets tough. The more I learn of women, the more I never want to see one as president, a military leader, supreme court justice, ceo, or in any position where dignity and leadership skills are required.[/QUOTE]


I disagree. I think women are better communicators than men. I've seen it time and time again. BUT, only when they are discussing something that they have no emotional attachment to. Here's a for instance. Say a woman has a child and her child behaves very poorly towards her and others. I would venture to say that 100% of the time she does not see said bad behavior because she is blinded by love for her child. Now, when you put that same woman in the room with a different child that acts exactly the same way as her child (read behaves poorly) you can sure as hell be sure that she'll see said behavior.

When women are being objective, they see and act totally differently. I wouldn't necessarily say that women are not better communicators, because I think they are (otherwise, they wouldn't be as good at lying as they are). Instead, I would say that women lack the ability to look at a situation, that she's emotionally invested in, in a logical, rational, objective way. Therefore, when she's unhappy in a relationship, she chooses not to communicate her unhappiness because she cannot see that she is very much to blame as well. As such, her ability to communicate essentially is short circuited.

You are right though. Women do lack balls. They'd rather lie and cheat then tell her husband, whom she loves, that she's unhappy. Further, I think you're 100% right on when you say that you'd never have a woman in a position of power. I couldn't agree more. I, personally, don't think that women have the ability to make tough decisions. Do you think a woman would send men off to die in a foreign country even if doing so would keep us safe for a decade or longer at home? No fucking way.


[QUOTE=UncleHOwie;33044]Yeah you might think I'm off my rocker. I used to see women as equals to men, but that has changed with every new woman I meet. The female species was brought up to "lie" just as the article pointed out.

And for all of you out there who think you want to marry that perfect girl some time let me remind you of this:

I don't have one single married friend who feels that life improved after he got married. Every single one of them wishes they could be single living the life I'm living. There is no such thing as a "perfect" woman. Women are a dime a dozen, and when it comes down to it, they don't have much to offer.[/QUOTE]


You know Howie, I used to laugh at your misogynistic rants about women. I used to think that you were just really bitter with respect to women. Shit, check out your handle [COLOR=Red][B]U[/B][/COLOR]ncle[COLOR=Red][B]HO[/B][/COLOR]wie. But, you know what man? I was totally wrong. The more I learn about women, the more I realize that they really are nothing but empty vessels. They really don't have a whole lot to offer me, and every day that passes the more I grow to realize that this applies to virtually all women. Sadly, I think the day may come when it does apply to all women...I hope not though.

I'll never think of an individual as replaceable. They are not. There is no way that I can replace the person. But, I can replace a woman. Will she be different than the others? Yep. But, when they don't really have a lot to offer you what is it that matters if she's not quite the same as the ones before?

Also, I've never fully understood the concept of marriage. I guess if you want to have kids then it makes sense for a man to marry a woman. I guess. But, what if you don't want kids? Like me, for example. The reality is that the chances that the relationship will get better over time is rare. It seems to me that you enter marriage at the high point of that relationship and the only place it has to go is down. It will never get better than it is the day you get married, never. That's when that relationship 'peaks.' So, just like a good bottle of wine, enjoy it when it peaks and drink up before it begins it's inevitable, downward devolution into vinegar. Shit, in truth, I sometimes wonder if the first 10 - 15 times you see a woman is the real peak. So, why continuing to buy an extra day after that?

Then again, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass...

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Also, I've never fully understood the concept of marriage. I guess if you want to have kids then it makes sense for a man to marry a woman. I guess. But, what if you don't want kids? Like me, for example. The reality is that the chances that the relationship will get better over time is rare. It seems to me that you enter marriage at the high point of that relationship and the only place it has to go is down. It will never get better than it is the day you get married, never. That's when that relationship 'peaks.' So, just like a good bottle of wine, enjoy it when it peaks and drink up before it begins it's inevitable, downward devolution into vinegar. Shit, in truth, I sometimes wonder if the first 10 - 15 times you see a woman is the real peak. So, why continuing to buy an extra day after that?

Then again, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass...[/QUOTE]

I've struggled with this for years. For the most part, the best day of relationships has been the day they ended and the excitement of feeling alive again for a new hunt. I would agree the best times seem to be the first 1-3 months dating a woman before you are even in a 1-1 relationship. Problem is, I struggle constantly with what society/family/etc attempts to dictate where a mid 30's man should be vs the reality of things. I struggle with wanting to have that vs the reality of an actual relationship. Reason i struggle is I do want to have kids. Problem is... I want the ability to walk away from a relationship at any point. Every relationship i've been in at some point becomes a pain in the ass. Even with good LTR management skills(thanks to the community) they inevitably become a P.I.T.A.

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Here is another interesting read about the famile identity:

[URL]http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/[/URL]

Warning: If you start reading say goodbye to ever respecting women again.

(I did not write this, it came dirrectly from the above mentioned website)


[B][URL="http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/every-woman-is-a-cheating-whore/"][COLOR=#000000]Every Woman is a Cheating Whore[/COLOR][/URL][/B]

Oh yes, that’s right. That’s what I said. And I said it because it’s true. All women are cheaters.

I don’t mean this to be a provocateur or to prance around in the realm of the hypothetical like some kind of dandy. I mean, flat out, that every woman in the world is a cheater, has cheated, and is probably cheating at this very moment.

Getting a woman to cheat on her husband or significant other is not like getting a woman to go to the gym — by heaping shitloads of gifts and attention on her like a spoilt child and then ultimately getting no burn for your earn. Getting a woman to cheat is like getting a duck to eat bread crumbs or a rat to eat rubbish. All you have to do is toss it in front of their face.

It’s not a hard conclusion to draw, so let’s just look at the facts. Getting attention from men is a woman’s lifeblood. That’s why women worship men in the form of menial tasks that they’re not very good at — because men control our attention like the gods of old controlled the sun and the crypt. We giveth and we can taketh away.

Good attention, bad attention, the worst kind of attention; it doesn’t matter. To a woman, being in a Girls Gone Wild video is just as laudable as serving in a highly respected public office. They stack up eyeballs like empty pie plates at a NOW convention.

So let’s compare: a woman’s lust for attention versus a man’s desire to consume or waste things — something very manly indeed. Take throwing a sandwich in the street for example. Do you know what’s better than throwing a sandwich in the street? That’s right, throwing two sandwiches in the street. Now what if that sandwich cost twice as much as the first? What if you had to wait in line again to get it? I would probably still do it and I’m betting that most men would. But what if dealing with two sandwiches cost you your dignity, your job, and your soul?

Women, of course, have none of those things — or at least don’t have 2 out of 3. That’s why when we change ’sandwiches’ to ‘men’ and ‘throwing them in the street’ to ‘getting any kind of attention from them’, we can easily draw the conclusion that women would do anything, and would stop at the destruction of nothing, for more of it.

Not even guilt will stop women from being the cheating harlots that they are. That’s because women think that cheating requires some kind of expressed willingness or premeditation on their part to actually count. I shit you not, that is exactly what they say. To a woman true cheating requires a planning and malice on par with a bank robbery. If the only evidence of infidelity you can produce is that she got drunk and put herself in a compromising position, you’re up argument creek without a chance in hell.

Can you believe that? It means if a woman can somehow convince a co-worker to force himself on her, or to “rape” her, that doesn’t count as cheating. It’s just another horrible thing that’s happened to poor defenseless her in this dog eat dog, man-world of rape happy abusers. That’s obviously a bunch of bullshit, but stand back because it gets worse.

Women also don’t count miring themselves in twisted, Dynasty-styled emotional affairs as cheating. For instance, a woman may hang around with as many as five or six of her ex-boyfriends without batting an eye. She may accept niceties from male co-workers or university staff members without ever questioning the motive of a free backrub. That’s a perfectly reasonable thing to be handing out, isn’t it? A free backrub? They’re like porno pamphlets in Vegas. Sometimes I can’t even get to work without getting two or three.

Bullshit.

Like any virus, women are not content with ruining their own lives. Ultimately, they seek out the lives of decent, honest men and tempt and corrupt them until they appear to be cheaters as well when nothing could be further from the truth. Cheating is like getting pregnant. It’s 100% a woman’s fault 100% of the time.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Every time I read a story like this it makes me wonder why the hell I even try making a LTR work.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=jast;33065][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Every time I read a story like this it makes me wonder why the hell I even try making a LTR work.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Because this story is full of shit that is why.

This story is expressed in generalities. If you have dated enough women(or hell even just one) you have probably been cheated on. Wait a minute did I just say even if you have only dated one girl you have been cheated on? Well yes of course because if you have only been able to get ONE girl in your lifetime she probably cheated on you.

This doesn't mean all girls cheat though. Am I going out on a limb? Nah I think not. Could my last serious GF I dated for 3 years have cheated on me? Well I hope to hell she didn't but you know what...she certainly could have. Plenty of opportunities that I would have never known about could have arisen and just like this story says all the girl needs is the opportunity to be right in front of her and she will cheat. Fuck. Wait a minute if I had a GF and some bombshell bent over right in front of me and pulled her panties down could I resist not sticking it in? Hell I don't know that is tuff...that is temptation at its finest.

We all certainly have it in us to cheat. It is the Apple in the Garden of Eden. Most will pick it some will not. It is genetically in our DNA to want it. Some people have managed to have enough will power to not do it.

Anyways my mindset shifts on this topic(getting married or staying single for ever) daily and this is one of the reasons. Our society today is just different than it was even a generation ago. It is so much easier to cheat ecspecially for women now that they are out of the houses and in the workforce.

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Pretty sad to hear all of this loss of faith in fidelity.

I'm not here to say how many women cheat...or or how many don't...truth is I don't know. But assume that the article posted (which is probably a tertiary source...or more) is correct and the statistic that 15% of women cheat (or have cheated? or are cheating? or would cheat? ...iunno, the excerpt in the article is very poorly worded making me wonder what omitted contexts go with this number). But let's just say it means 'have cheated':

This means that if you date 20 different randomly selected women, only 3 of them have cheated (not **will** cheat on you...**have** cheated). Now we all know cheating in relationships exists in the world...and it sucks...but 3/20 is pretty low (we aren't talking money here...).

I have plenty of friends-that-are-girls who I'd be REALLY surprised to learn have ever cheated before.
I also know several girls who have told me they have cheated before (or of whom it wouldn't really surprise me to find out that they have or are currently cheating on a boyfriend).

It's possible that one or two of the former case have cheated and I just couldn't suspect it, but I'd be willing to bet that just about all of them haven't.

Fact is, we have no basis to generalize this to "all [or most] women cheat"...and if you try to do that, then you're really just fucking up your own outlook on life.

Find a girl worth keeping (...which probably isn't the first one you meet...), learn how to hold and maintain a strong relationship, and your odds that she will cheat will drop.

If she cheats, and you find out, then hopefully you've learned enough here to move on to the next girl and decide if there's anything you can learn from the situation.
If she cheats, and you don't find out....well then the old "ignorance is bliss" adage applies.