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by Guest » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:08 pm
I agree. You can simply reason it out, PUA does lead to a dead end for LTR.
The Best advice:
"If you want to take it beyond procreation, then you need to be prepared to drop the act. Sounds counter to your base instinct, "To Find love, I need to drop the act that got me women to begin with..." It's a lot like the theory in the book, if you want a girl you've been obsessing with to pay attention to her, ignore her... If you want to find love, then you need to step away from what is keeping you from love... and open up."
I would like to ADD, I believe PUA counteracts on the Nice Guy traits that has been brainwashed into us by popular media.
The Best advice:
"If you want to take it beyond procreation, then you need to be prepared to drop the act. Sounds counter to your base instinct, "To Find love, I need to drop the act that got me women to begin with..." It's a lot like the theory in the book, if you want a girl you've been obsessing with to pay attention to her, ignore her... If you want to find love, then you need to step away from what is keeping you from love... and open up."
I would like to ADD, I believe PUA counteracts on the Nice Guy traits that has been brainwashed into us by popular media.
- Guest
by Guest » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:46 pm
I finally took the time to read the whole thing and there are elements I agree with, but also there are parts I don't agree with.
I agree when it comes to establishing a connection and how much of your persona is a facade vs. the real you. If your interactions are based on your facade and not the real you, then you will not find love. If you want to build a connection, you need to be presenting the real you. This should not be a surprise to anyone.
A lot of the rest of what she says I take issue with in one way or another.
1. I disagree with her characterization of game as simply adjusting perceived value. Perceived value is weak, actual value is strong, building a connection is strong.
2. She greatly oversimplifies the male psyche in a way that I find somewhat insulting. It's true people can get addicted to gaming women (or any other manner of self-improvement), but I know a LOT more who retain normal priorities and simply integrate attractiveness as a positive element of their lives.
3. She seems to believe that love is the inherently the goal of game. "Pickup is the mastery of attraction, which is directly related to the skill of love. Thus, a person seeking to become a master pickup artist is seeking to master love." Um, no, especially when pickup is narrowly scoped as adjusting perceived value. I would even go so far as to say that attraction and love are NOT very closely related. And by the way, love is not a skill.
4. She essentially claims that game and pursuing love are incompatible. I would argue that being comfortable and socially aware in social and sexual situations is an important positive trait that women require. Some men (such as myself) have been under-socialized for whatever reason (I was/am a nerd) and socialization through game works as a remedy, which builds true value. Some might say this is a side-effect of game, but I would say the only difference between a side-effect and a main effect is a matter of perspective. Are you going for appearances and incedentally building actual value, or going for value and building appearances along the way?
I read some of the other stuff on her blog, and she has a pretty good grasp of relationships in general. I just think she misunderstands what game is about.
I agree when it comes to establishing a connection and how much of your persona is a facade vs. the real you. If your interactions are based on your facade and not the real you, then you will not find love. If you want to build a connection, you need to be presenting the real you. This should not be a surprise to anyone.
A lot of the rest of what she says I take issue with in one way or another.
1. I disagree with her characterization of game as simply adjusting perceived value. Perceived value is weak, actual value is strong, building a connection is strong.
2. She greatly oversimplifies the male psyche in a way that I find somewhat insulting. It's true people can get addicted to gaming women (or any other manner of self-improvement), but I know a LOT more who retain normal priorities and simply integrate attractiveness as a positive element of their lives.
3. She seems to believe that love is the inherently the goal of game. "Pickup is the mastery of attraction, which is directly related to the skill of love. Thus, a person seeking to become a master pickup artist is seeking to master love." Um, no, especially when pickup is narrowly scoped as adjusting perceived value. I would even go so far as to say that attraction and love are NOT very closely related. And by the way, love is not a skill.
4. She essentially claims that game and pursuing love are incompatible. I would argue that being comfortable and socially aware in social and sexual situations is an important positive trait that women require. Some men (such as myself) have been under-socialized for whatever reason (I was/am a nerd) and socialization through game works as a remedy, which builds true value. Some might say this is a side-effect of game, but I would say the only difference between a side-effect and a main effect is a matter of perspective. Are you going for appearances and incedentally building actual value, or going for value and building appearances along the way?
I read some of the other stuff on her blog, and she has a pretty good grasp of relationships in general. I just think she misunderstands what game is about.
- Guest
by Guest » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:19 pm
I saw an interview with Ross Jeffries where a woman asked him if he was teaching men to manipulate women and his response was that if a man can't quickly capture her attention and make her interested in him then she will never take the time to get to know who he is as a person....or something to that effect.
I think most of the stuff he teaches sounds ridiculous but I agree with him on this one.
Personally I was never very good with women and would go a long time between girlfriends. Now I feel more confident that if any one relationship doesn't work out with some effort I can find another one, which is a totally different mindset than I used to have. Also I've learned more about women and why they act certain ways and how to respond which has helped me immensely. I'm not an opening machine or even good at pickup, [b]i just feel like I'm better than I used to be and I'm happy about that[/b]. I don't have a lot of conflicts about pick up and game. Someone said on here once before that this is all just "dating advice" ...it's not some super secret technology where you have to make a pact with the devil.
If all you pursue is shallow relationships, then after a while you might get tired of it, but i also think there is probably a time in most people's lives when that is what they want to do and that's ok too in my opinion.
I think most of the stuff he teaches sounds ridiculous but I agree with him on this one.
Personally I was never very good with women and would go a long time between girlfriends. Now I feel more confident that if any one relationship doesn't work out with some effort I can find another one, which is a totally different mindset than I used to have. Also I've learned more about women and why they act certain ways and how to respond which has helped me immensely. I'm not an opening machine or even good at pickup, [b]i just feel like I'm better than I used to be and I'm happy about that[/b]. I don't have a lot of conflicts about pick up and game. Someone said on here once before that this is all just "dating advice" ...it's not some super secret technology where you have to make a pact with the devil.
If all you pursue is shallow relationships, then after a while you might get tired of it, but i also think there is probably a time in most people's lives when that is what they want to do and that's ok too in my opinion.
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