On outcome independance and KJing

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I broke my plateau. It's a good feeling. This is due in no small part to the Austin trip with you guys. One thing I'm glad I've finally internalized to some extent:

Outcome independance. I've started seeing the whole pick-up thing more as a game to have fun playing rather a means to an end. I've found myself now texting ridiculous bullshit to girls and trying to push the limit just to see how they'll react whereas in the past I'd do everything to "play it safe" while still trying to adhere to PUA philosophy to make them "feel attraction".

For example... I just told some girl some bullshit about my gf running off with a guy called "Candy", and that they told me to join them because Candy's penis was too small. I told her sister that we should have a one night stand (she's in Austin) because I am so sad and I needed immediate earthly pleasures, as long as she tapes a picture of my ex on her back. I mean, sure, this probably won't get anywhere but I was curious to see what the hell they're going to say to that!?!? I found it hilarious that they're actually responding pretty positively. A month ago I'd have never even imagined saying this kind of shit just for the hell of it. Besides, it was pretty amusing for me too.

Part of this outcome independance is due to newfound non-neediness - that now I know that I can meet as many girls as I want to, so why not have some fun and push the limit just to see how far it can go?

I've also noticed that I've begun internalizing the belief that I'm the prize. Hot girls are people too... in fact they're rather "AFC" sometimes. Also, being social seems so much more natural now, to the point that not talking to someone right next to you seems unnatural and weird. If someone thinks I'm weird because I'm talking to someone, then it's them that's CRAZY.

EPIPHANY: The game is simple. I did not realize this because I was a keyboard jockey.

I was a keyboard jockey. Sure I went out a lot, made some progress, talked to some chicks, etc. etc., but I NEVER CONSISTENTLY PUSHED MY COMFORT ZONE. Yet I still thought I was good at the game.

Hell, maybe I'm still a keyboard jockey. Maybe, maybe not; all I know is I'm happy with my progress now, whereas before I always felt like something was holding me back. Now I feel like I can have a blast with whoever I talk to, and if they're not down it's their problem not mine. What a liberating feeling.

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Rock on acuity... I second just about everything you said and have been having similar feelings... in fact I just sent a couple paragraphs this morning to a female friend i've been chatting with this morning about how i'm the shit and just have a 'fuck it' attitude in reference to dating now... she's been a bit down because some dude played her out til he got her in the sack then dropped her afterwards...

And the non-neediness yeah... no need to put too much of your hopes on any one... there's a million others out there :) if you say something to piss'em off... fuck'em on to the next lol

i still got a lot further to go and a long way to get better or even consider myself a PUA but i feel like i have the building blocks at this point at least and i'm enjoying the hell out of myself...

kudos to you dude.. you're making rapid progress... you are leaps and bounds above where you were that first time we went sarging at purgatory a couple months ago

i think we have to thank playercool for his excellent example this weekend :)

HIIIII!!!!!!

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Outcome independance. I've started seeing the whole pick-up thing more as a game to have fun playing rather a means to an end. I've found myself now texting ridiculous bullshit to girls and trying to push the limit just to see how they'll react whereas in the past I'd do everything to "play it safe" while still trying to adhere to PUA philosophy to make them "feel attraction".

For example... I just told some girl some bullshit about my gf running off with a guy called "Candy", and that they told me to join them because Candy's penis was too small. I told her sister that we should have a one night stand (she's in Austin) because I am so sad and I needed immediate earthly pleasures, as long as she tapes a picture of my ex on her back. I mean, sure, this probably won't get anywhere but I was curious to see what the hell they're going to say to that!?!? I found it hilarious that they're actually responding pretty positively. A month ago I'd have never even imagined saying this kind of shit just for the hell of it. Besides, it was pretty amusing for me too.
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First of all that makes no sense at all....but its hilarious and I like it.
Second, I've had several epiphanies/ideas/etc from doing random experimentation like this
....Specifically your example reminds me of a night where I had a whole 20 minute conversation with some chick completely on the subject of candyland.
(I told her I was in a league).
Granted, I didn't close that girl, but it had nothing to do with the topic. In fact, during the whole candyland part of the convo she was all over me.

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I was a keyboard jockey. Sure I went out a lot, made some progress, talked to some chicks, etc. etc., but I NEVER CONSISTENTLY PUSHED MY COMFORT ZONE.
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Totally agree.
One of the best ways, for me, to push my limits has been to subject myself to pressure by going out with other community guys.

I can honestly say that I don't really have much AA anymore. Part of this has to do with inner game that I've developed, but most of it boils down to the pressure I felt those first couple of times I went out with community guys.

When I went out those first couple of times with community guys, said 'Fuck It', and realized that approaching random people and chatting them up really is easy...and hell it even turns out well more times than not.
I just don't give two shits about getting blown out. There's always someone else around to talk to...plus stepping out of the social norm and screwing with people in strange ways amuses me sometimes.

The only reason I approached those stranger girls the first couple of times is because I knew had some eyes on my back watching to see if I would....totally uncomfortable, but totally worth it in the long run.

Keep it up man, I look forward to actually sarging with ya sometime.