pre-ejectuation

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i keep ejecting too early
i say my opener
i fallow with a best friends test
but i eject too early, mostly because i dont seem to hook her in

haha done this too many times but if i stay to talk even more i really dont know what to say

this really just hurts me when the target is moving somewhere. if she is sitting down or just standing i can start a conversation.

[Guest]

lock in

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if their standing how should i do that? alot of my sets were walking to somewhere in the first place.

[Guest]

"Come here", bring them to where you are, and say something interesting while doing it. Thats the simplest way I can explain it vie text without being able to show you.

If they are just standing just reposition yourself in the group, don't act like it's a big deal and it won't be, and don't go around the backside of the group.

[Guest]

thanks bro

[Guest]

I have the same issue as you do Angel. I approach, ask them how they know each othe and then start talking about interesting things(for example things me and they like to do for fun) and I will be good for about 5-10 minutes and I eject. In my experience there are two things that I do that help me out:

1) Getting Physical-noticed that when I get physical right away( and I mean wihing the first 5 seconds or so) those are the interactions that I and girls enjoy most.
2)Getting her invested in you-this on is a little trickier but at some point you neeed to get her invested in your interaction. If she wont get invested in you then she will not see any value in you.

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[quote1218483035=Murad]2)Getting her invested in you-this on is a little trickier but at some point you neeed to get her invested in your interaction. If she wont get invested in you then she will not see any value in you.[/quote1218483035]

You've got the cart before the horse on this one bro. The way to get her to invest in you is to be a man of high value. You've got to project value. People don't invest in things unless they see the value...you see value before you invest, you don't invest then see value.

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[quote1218489668=Bull Run]
[quote1218483035=Murad]2)Getting her invested in you-this on is a little trickier but at some point you neeed to get her invested in your interaction. If she wont get invested in you then she will not see any value in you.[/quote1218483035]

You've got the cart before the horse on this one bro. The way to get her to invest in you is to be a man of high value. You've got to project value. People don't invest in things unless they see the value...you see value before you invest, you don't invest then see value.

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I agree with you Bull Run. A person needs to demonstrate and project value in order to arouse interest and to get people to invest but when I was writing my response I already assumed that the exchange of value is going on in a given interaction. As far as topics for conversation I talk about things that I like to do and things that she likes to do. That way we both are excited and having fun(hence the EXCHANGE of value not just one person giving it to another with out receiving something in return).Women dont like men that take value from them well I dont like women that suck the value out of me(some people are just like that). At same time though dont linger in conversation land for too long because conversation might run dry no matter what you are talking about.

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Not to be a jerk, but just because you're having a conversation doesn't mean she's perceiving any value. Even if she's enjoying the interaction, that doesn't say much about your value in terms of the attraction switches. If she's not investing, either she hasn't perceived value, or her husband is standing right behind you.

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[quote1218637497=Vector]Not to be a jerk, but just because you're having a conversation doesn't mean she's perceiving any value. Even if she's enjoying the interaction, that doesn't say much about your value in terms of the attraction switches. If she's not investing, either she hasn't perceived value, or her husband is standing right behind you.[/quote1218637497]

Exactly. A conversation doesn't mean she values you, I've had millions of conversations. Not everyone 'valued' me. Even if they enjoyed the conversation. There is no scarcity in a 'fun' conversation because we have them all the time, therefore a 'fun' conversation doesn't really build value.

Getting someone to invest in you sounds like you're trying to sell yourself, and while this is sort of true I think of it totally differently. Instead of selling myself, I want to them to want to buy me. Seems like the same thing but it's not. Selling implies that you're doing something to alter their world, you're convincing them, you're a salesman. Having them buy you implies that you're simply interacting with the world, living your life (you should naturally project value at this point) and they are attracted to you. The difference is powerful. As I watch some of the more experienced, successful PUAs and then compare them to guys that are struggling a little bit you can see who is trying to sell and who is simply being bought.

No one wants to be sold, but everyone loves to buy.