[QUOTE=Prodigy;38447]Why do you suck at bars / clubs? Is it your outer game (opener, tactics, approach, etc) or attitude?[/QUOTE]
I just discovered that I looked down when i approached a HB 6.75 today. (tight body/semi ugly face).
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by Guest » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:57 pm
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]I have tried what I called Nuke before
Group of hot chicks: "hmmm are you guys like desperate for a guy or something?"
Hispanic HBChick: "you speak english?"
preppy sophisticated HBchick: "are you into black gangster rapper guys?"
Chicks with big ear rings: "those are some ghetto earrings"
I usually get the: "WHy are you still talking to me.. Get the fuck away" or the "you are the most gayest, ugliest person I've ever seen"
Sometimes chicks actually smile and laugh and like it. Probably the ones I get along with.
ANyways you think this Negs are alright?
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These aren't negs. These are simply insults. Just do yourself a favor and stay away from negs. From what I have seen they really fuck newbies over. They have no idea how to calibrate negs and almost always just insult.
Negs also require good Body Language, tonality, grins, etc. They have to be calibrated correctly or you can easily come across as an ass.
Group of hot chicks: "hmmm are you guys like desperate for a guy or something?"
Hispanic HBChick: "you speak english?"
preppy sophisticated HBchick: "are you into black gangster rapper guys?"
Chicks with big ear rings: "those are some ghetto earrings"
I usually get the: "WHy are you still talking to me.. Get the fuck away" or the "you are the most gayest, ugliest person I've ever seen"
Sometimes chicks actually smile and laugh and like it. Probably the ones I get along with.
ANyways you think this Negs are alright?
[/QUOTE]
These aren't negs. These are simply insults. Just do yourself a favor and stay away from negs. From what I have seen they really fuck newbies over. They have no idea how to calibrate negs and almost always just insult.
Negs also require good Body Language, tonality, grins, etc. They have to be calibrated correctly or you can easily come across as an ass.
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by Guest » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:43 am
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38453]I understand, choosing to be happy and making yourself believe you truly are can be hard for a lonely guy lol. But anyways I'll probbly try fishing or something quiet.[/QUOTE]
Fishing doesn't make you happy. YOU make you happy. You have to stop looking for external things to change you.
Frustration, loneliness, etc. are processes that you make yourself go through in your mind. For some reason you keep triggering those processes, probably because they're familiar states. Once you realize that you can stop triggering those processes and replace them with processes that help you feel good about yourself, then you can start to make real change with regard to your attitude.
Fishing doesn't make you happy. YOU make you happy. You have to stop looking for external things to change you.
Frustration, loneliness, etc. are processes that you make yourself go through in your mind. For some reason you keep triggering those processes, probably because they're familiar states. Once you realize that you can stop triggering those processes and replace them with processes that help you feel good about yourself, then you can start to make real change with regard to your attitude.
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by Guest » Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:08 am
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]I have tried what I called Nuke before
Group of hot chicks: "hmmm are you guys like desperate for a guy or something?"
Hispanic HBChick: "you speak english?"
preppy sophisticated HBchick: "are you into black gangster rapper guys?"
Chicks with big ear rings: "those are some ghetto earrings"
I usually get the: "WHy are you still talking to me.. Get the fuck away" or the "you are the most gayest, ugliest person I've ever seen"
Sometimes chicks actually smile and laugh and like it. Probably the ones I get along with.
ANyways you think this Negs are alright?[/QUOTE]
Those are insults. This is a neg:
YOU: [looking disapprovingly at her head] Doing your hair like that is only going to attract the wrong kind of guy.
GIRL: [if she's cool and witty] Are you saying you’re the wrong kind of guy?
YOU: Since I noticed that hairstyle, I must be.
Negs are required my friend. Yes, they fuck newbies up hardcore because newbies don't have the social saavy to understand what is a playful neg and what is an insult. Further, they don't have the confidence to pull them off very well. But, you need to run them.
My suggestion. DO NOT create YOUR OWN negs. Borrow them from other people. Negs that have been field tested and work. They're everywhere search a little bit for them. Then, file them away and use them sparingly. You usually only need one or two.
Shit, I still fuck up on the negs at times. Last night, I negged the fuck out of a chick that was way into me. She was very hot and high value so I thought I HAD to keep negging. In truth, only one or two was needed. I went overboard. Lesson learned, won't happen again.
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]Hard stuff to be someone else and it initially takes balls IMHO. Chicks do love it though and say shit like "OMG YOu are so fun!" if you can pull it off. I tried it a little before but I was in Laredo. Dallas is like a whole different ball game. It sounds like being satire but fuck it.Some might call it douche behavior.
Question do you recommend being this way only when you're sarging?
I just joined started going back to church too. Might have too pull a 2 face.[/QUOTE]
I hate to say it, but you need to become someone else. This you is not working. Create a new one. You need a huge dose of humility and hunger. You have to be humble enough to understand that what you're doing isn't working, that this you is not the right you to attract hot pussy. After that, you need to have the drive and hunger to plow through the shitty nights, shitty sets, and rejections.
In due time, you will develop a new personae that will be working at all times. You are making a new you, not changing on the fringes. You will change at your core. If you're not ready for that, then you'll never get anywhere in Game.
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]I thought it was my understanding that ugly girls react different to hot girls and the same material shouldn't be used.[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. Girls are girls. You just have to understand that they hotter they get, the more confidence they have and the more you have to do to prick her confidence bubble AND the more you have project that you have more confidence than her. Ugs require less Game, but still some level of Game.
You'll need ugs to build your confidence in your skills. PC said it earlier. Start with a 5.5 then work your way up. When I feel rusty, I'll gladly go out and pull a less than stellar woman. They're good practice.
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]How did you started off? Did you use this old school stuff? Anyways man Thanks. You have given me a lot to think about and stuff to consider in trying.[/QUOTE]
You've read way too much. I read The Game and The Mystery Method. Then, I went sarging, usually by myself. I had success right off the bat. But, as Vector once put it to me, I didn't have quite the hole to dig out of that others did. I just needed a roadmap and something to believe in (because, I didn't believe in myself with respect to women). So, I put my trust in the techniques and tactics that were discussed in The Game and in Mystery's book.
I found that as I read more material, the more jumbled I got in my head. The more I experimented with material and the more I tried different methods and tactics the less I learnied what did and didn't work for me. Seems counter-intuitive but there is such a thing as having too much information.
So, I applied Occam's Razor. The most simple solution is usually the best. I tore down all of the bullshit that I read and got down to basics. I focused on building a rolodex of one-liners, witty responses, routines, openers, etc, on improving my body language and non-verbal cues (facial movements, tonality, vocal projection, etc), and on creating sexual tension. Other than that, I just dropped the rest of the bullshit and focused on what I think to be the 'blocking and tackling' of PUA. Once I had that shit down, then I worked on more advanced things. Fact is that once you have those things down, you really don't need much else.
Finally, what I've noticed from your posts is that you're creating excuses for yourself. Yes, Dallas is a tougher city for pulling pussy. I agree with that statement and am reminded of this fact every time I hang out in Fort Worth. To this day, I loathe hanging out in Uptown for this very reason. But, I need to fix that shit. We all create excuses so that we don't feel responsible for our personal shortcomings.
Right now, for me, Uptown is a limiting belief. Part of pick-up is understand that you have a lot more control over your life than you think. Creating excuses, having limiting beliefs, they only act to facilitate your failures and make you feel comfortable and take away any responsibility you have for those failures.
But, there are a lot of guys on this board that have pulled dozens of chicks over the years in Dallas so it's not impossible...I've seen it done, I've done it. In every part of the city.
Group of hot chicks: "hmmm are you guys like desperate for a guy or something?"
Hispanic HBChick: "you speak english?"
preppy sophisticated HBchick: "are you into black gangster rapper guys?"
Chicks with big ear rings: "those are some ghetto earrings"
I usually get the: "WHy are you still talking to me.. Get the fuck away" or the "you are the most gayest, ugliest person I've ever seen"
Sometimes chicks actually smile and laugh and like it. Probably the ones I get along with.
ANyways you think this Negs are alright?[/QUOTE]
Those are insults. This is a neg:
YOU: [looking disapprovingly at her head] Doing your hair like that is only going to attract the wrong kind of guy.
GIRL: [if she's cool and witty] Are you saying you’re the wrong kind of guy?
YOU: Since I noticed that hairstyle, I must be.
Negs are required my friend. Yes, they fuck newbies up hardcore because newbies don't have the social saavy to understand what is a playful neg and what is an insult. Further, they don't have the confidence to pull them off very well. But, you need to run them.
My suggestion. DO NOT create YOUR OWN negs. Borrow them from other people. Negs that have been field tested and work. They're everywhere search a little bit for them. Then, file them away and use them sparingly. You usually only need one or two.
Shit, I still fuck up on the negs at times. Last night, I negged the fuck out of a chick that was way into me. She was very hot and high value so I thought I HAD to keep negging. In truth, only one or two was needed. I went overboard. Lesson learned, won't happen again.
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]Hard stuff to be someone else and it initially takes balls IMHO. Chicks do love it though and say shit like "OMG YOu are so fun!" if you can pull it off. I tried it a little before but I was in Laredo. Dallas is like a whole different ball game. It sounds like being satire but fuck it.Some might call it douche behavior.
Question do you recommend being this way only when you're sarging?
I just joined started going back to church too. Might have too pull a 2 face.[/QUOTE]
I hate to say it, but you need to become someone else. This you is not working. Create a new one. You need a huge dose of humility and hunger. You have to be humble enough to understand that what you're doing isn't working, that this you is not the right you to attract hot pussy. After that, you need to have the drive and hunger to plow through the shitty nights, shitty sets, and rejections.
In due time, you will develop a new personae that will be working at all times. You are making a new you, not changing on the fringes. You will change at your core. If you're not ready for that, then you'll never get anywhere in Game.
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]I thought it was my understanding that ugly girls react different to hot girls and the same material shouldn't be used.[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. Girls are girls. You just have to understand that they hotter they get, the more confidence they have and the more you have to do to prick her confidence bubble AND the more you have project that you have more confidence than her. Ugs require less Game, but still some level of Game.
You'll need ugs to build your confidence in your skills. PC said it earlier. Start with a 5.5 then work your way up. When I feel rusty, I'll gladly go out and pull a less than stellar woman. They're good practice.
[QUOTE=Budguy68;38454]How did you started off? Did you use this old school stuff? Anyways man Thanks. You have given me a lot to think about and stuff to consider in trying.[/QUOTE]
You've read way too much. I read The Game and The Mystery Method. Then, I went sarging, usually by myself. I had success right off the bat. But, as Vector once put it to me, I didn't have quite the hole to dig out of that others did. I just needed a roadmap and something to believe in (because, I didn't believe in myself with respect to women). So, I put my trust in the techniques and tactics that were discussed in The Game and in Mystery's book.
I found that as I read more material, the more jumbled I got in my head. The more I experimented with material and the more I tried different methods and tactics the less I learnied what did and didn't work for me. Seems counter-intuitive but there is such a thing as having too much information.
So, I applied Occam's Razor. The most simple solution is usually the best. I tore down all of the bullshit that I read and got down to basics. I focused on building a rolodex of one-liners, witty responses, routines, openers, etc, on improving my body language and non-verbal cues (facial movements, tonality, vocal projection, etc), and on creating sexual tension. Other than that, I just dropped the rest of the bullshit and focused on what I think to be the 'blocking and tackling' of PUA. Once I had that shit down, then I worked on more advanced things. Fact is that once you have those things down, you really don't need much else.
Finally, what I've noticed from your posts is that you're creating excuses for yourself. Yes, Dallas is a tougher city for pulling pussy. I agree with that statement and am reminded of this fact every time I hang out in Fort Worth. To this day, I loathe hanging out in Uptown for this very reason. But, I need to fix that shit. We all create excuses so that we don't feel responsible for our personal shortcomings.
Right now, for me, Uptown is a limiting belief. Part of pick-up is understand that you have a lot more control over your life than you think. Creating excuses, having limiting beliefs, they only act to facilitate your failures and make you feel comfortable and take away any responsibility you have for those failures.
But, there are a lot of guys on this board that have pulled dozens of chicks over the years in Dallas so it's not impossible...I've seen it done, I've done it. In every part of the city.
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by Guest » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:42 pm
[QUOTE=Rhody;38457]Fishing doesn't make you happy. YOU make you happy. You have to stop looking for external things to change you.
Frustration, loneliness, etc. are processes that you make yourself go through in your mind. For some reason you keep triggering those processes, probably because they're familiar states. Once you realize that you can stop triggering those processes and replace them with processes that help you feel good about yourself, then you can start to make real change with regard to your attitude.[/QUOTE]
Yeha I know what you mean. But I need to go somewhere quiet and be alone to realize these stuff :P
Frustration, loneliness, etc. are processes that you make yourself go through in your mind. For some reason you keep triggering those processes, probably because they're familiar states. Once you realize that you can stop triggering those processes and replace them with processes that help you feel good about yourself, then you can start to make real change with regard to your attitude.[/QUOTE]
Yeha I know what you mean. But I need to go somewhere quiet and be alone to realize these stuff :P
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by Guest » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:30 am
Budguy- it's clear that you feel frustrated because you have made accomplishments in your life, yet they do not translate in to success with women as you expecr. Maybe you feel like this is because of your average looks. Maybe you think if you learn better "game" this will help you. So you turn to this message board again.
Well, cynical question but.... are you really ready to hear the answer?
Well, cynical question but.... are you really ready to hear the answer?
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by Guest » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:49 pm
[QUOTE=grimm1111;38472]Well, cynical question but.... are you really ready to hear the answer?[/QUOTE]
He's not.
@ Budguy if you've been lurking on and off, then there are tons of suggestions and advice that we've spewed over the the years.
No matter what you want to believe, your story is not unique. The tools are right there in front of you. You've gotten great advice throughout this thread from multiple guys. I suggest you take it lest you'll keep asking yourself the same questions forever.
He's not.
@ Budguy if you've been lurking on and off, then there are tons of suggestions and advice that we've spewed over the the years.
No matter what you want to believe, your story is not unique. The tools are right there in front of you. You've gotten great advice throughout this thread from multiple guys. I suggest you take it lest you'll keep asking yourself the same questions forever.
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