Sinn and the Dallas Lair

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[quote1236352934=El Fenix]I've seen him out on several occasions while he lived here. I'd say hi, chat for a second and give him his space. I've heard guys who are more well known have had issues with guys knowing who they were making things hard for them. I tried to give him the respect I'd expect if i were in his shoes.[/quote1236352934]



I don't think I've ever seen a Community guy walk up to a more well known 'guru' and try to play cock block. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think that's the issue.

I've got a theory about PU that goes something like this:

The more you know, the more you know.

I think his material is really good, and he does a great job of translating these theories and breaking them down based on his knowledge. In other words, he's taken social interaction, a language most men don't get, and has translated it into a language that normal men can understand. For that, I give him, and the other 'gurus' props.

BUT...

Being successful at PU does not require that kind of in depth knowledge. If you make it too scientific, then it retards your capacity to have a normal conversation with women. I can't imagine what must be going through this guy's head when he's gaming. Can you? It's just too much to process at once. The fact is that when you're in set, you should stop thinking. Period. Just go with the flow. Learning how to do this cannot be taught by a 'guru' or read on a board or found in a book. It has to be learned through DOING. If you introduce too much logic into something that is NOT logical you're going to just fuck it up.

The more you know, the more you know. It doesn't mean that you're any good at this shit it just means you understand the material. Understanding something and executing on your knowledge are two totally different things. This is why I'll listen to their stuff, but not necessarily ascribe them Master PUA status.

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This reminds me of my college education.

I went to UTD for Business.

My professors were TEACHERS. Yes they were TEACHERS. The majority had never actually had a corporate job, or been self employed. So great I got to learn from a textbook instead of real world experiences.

Sinn is no different than those teachers.

I can say this because well...I used to go out 4-5 days a week and would see this guy quite frequently. I would see him running game on a 5-6 and the place was loaded with HOTTIES. I would see him pull a 3(I am being nice) and the place was just ripe for the picking with insanely good looking women all night long. I have seen him go nutty over a 6 all night who he was sorta on a date with but she was there with 3 other dudes too? I mean he was BETA in every sense of the word. He did things a true AFC would do. And he did them all night long.

Now here is the deal.

Sinn should walk circles around everyone on this board. His knowledge is no doubt vast at least at the time of him either writing it or recording it. I expect someone with this magnitude of knowledge to be able to pull the hottest girls at all times. I mean at least 7s dude. But seriously what you SELL should be able to be used practically. Meaning if someone with even a lesser knowledge base as you should be able to meet women. What you are showing me is just any dude can go get a 5. Hell yes any dude can get a 5. You don't even need game you really need very little actually other than marginal looks and not being a dumb ass.

Sooooo...

I used to read some of his shit. He would talk about nailing hundreds of women and all these tens and shit. I believe the hundreds of women. I don't believe any of them were over a 6-7 though. So bravo dude. Of course this guy has to lie his ass off so he seems legit and can train people as his career. I guess that is his advertisement. Isn't it nice when you don't need proof.

After seeing this guy flounder in field so many times it is hard for me to read even one word he writes.

Show me some genius in field and I will change my tune.

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An interesting and revealing thread.

What do you guys expect from Sinn? Or any of the "gurus" for that matter? Why is the prevalent aspersion cast on his perceived "lack of quality"? You really don't get it, IMO, if your main goals are rating girls 1-10 and pumping your ego by parading around with stupud "hot" club/bar sluts. Mostly I would rather poke out my own eyeballs than hang around with dumb stupid girls just to try and look cool. Miss the point much??

BTW I have zero ulterior motive here. I really don't care what Sinn does. I do give him some credit for the blog, the Sinn publicity machine. I believe some people get benefit from his programs. Having met the guy personally I can tell you that he was not a douche to me. He does understand the concepts, and is very intellegent and innovative. He is a person you can learn from BUT learning is a two way street. As you might expect he is very guarded (and ultimately vulnerable).

Would I pay for his services? No. That having been said I have been a mentor (of sorts) and it is no easy task. I don't envy his job even one little bit. This shit is not easy to teach at the best of times. Haters rolling around causing trouble pointing out the 5s and 6s you are conversing with really would just make a person angry plus it KILLS energy, which I'm sure he runs into a lot. Looks SHOULD NOT MATTER TO YOU in a social context, be it a girl's or guy's. Being able to internalize the irrelevence of looks, ego, perceived value, etc.. and not be worried about your "rep" is surely part of core skill requirements, no???? No decent woman, hot or not, respects a guy who is hung up on looks. Women actively screen against it.

Success in PU, as in life, first requires you to cast out all external validation and social pressure. Easy to say, hard to do. Everyone's brain is "pinging" whe a hot girl is around. Few can get to the core by challenging her for more. Just my 2c.

I am also anxious to hear comments from Grimm. Apparently, according to a post above, he went clubbing with Sinn. I have never personally met or validated any understanding from Grimm (no offense) .. however .. how did this "clubbing" go down? Was the previous poster suggesting Grimm "schooled" Sinn or what?

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The fact of the posts here (or at least mine) is that he feels the need to bad mouth our lair, has done so on many mediums...

Also, most were pointing out the fact that he has a history of going for quantity over quality.

Finally, a point has been made multiple times that he is just like anyone else here. He can't walk on water, or turn a tub of water in to a keg party. He shows lack of respect toward us, and he gets it in return. Nearly everyone here has said that his material...the blog, products, and youtubes are products worth a read/watch unlike the crap 80% of the "gurus" push out.

I just think he should bite his tongue a bit if he wants to bad mouth a city lair and then run home with sea cows IN that city. We will see, and it will affect his rep. I'm a nobody...and if I were to contact OKC lair and go out with them one night, and roll home with Roseanne Barr...well you could imagine the rep they'd have of me, my game, and probably even this lair.

What don't we get?

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The fact of the posts here (or at least mine) is that he feels the need to bad mouth our lair, has done so on many mediums...

Also, most were pointing out the fact that he has a history of going for quantity over quality.

Finally, a point has been made multiple times that he is just like anyone else here. He can't walk on water, or turn a tub of water in to a keg party. He shows lack of respect toward us, and he gets it in return. Nearly everyone here has said that his material...the blog, products, and youtubes are products worth a read/watch unlike the crap 80% of the "gurus" push out.

I just think he should bite his tongue a bit if he wants to bad mouth a city lair and then run home with sea cows IN that city. We will see, and it will affect his rep. I'm a nobody...and if I were to contact OKC lair and go out with them one night, and roll home with Roseanne Barr...well you could imagine the rep they'd have of me, my game, and probably even this lair.

What don't we get?
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I didn't hear the badmouthing but I also didn't take the time to listen to the whole audio (what exact time does he rant?). Again though, why do you care what he says? I'm not defending him however it does seem amusing how much stir he can kick up with stupid (presumably) comments.

You also have to admit that, as someone with no ties to the Dallas Lair, Sinn can't be thrilled when captain tardo invades his personal space.

As to your point about quantity vs quality .. I just don't think you can judge based on what has been "observed". He should not have to answer to anyone on his choices.

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There might be a few comments here that are "I heard" or "a friend of mine saw him and..." but most are personal encounters with the guy who the OP was asking us about. The original question was, "Why would he say such things?"

The OP was given many reasons why Sinn would say such things...it's because (nearly) every encounter he's had with Dallas guys have been negative.

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[quote1236365356=Smirks]
The original question was, "Why would he say such things?"
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I think we all know the answers as to why. His motives are not in anyone's best interest except his own.

This and people's unrealistic expectations of "celebrity".

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The original question was, "Why would he say such things?"
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I think we all know the answers as to why. His motives are not in anyone's best interest except his own.

This and people's unrealistic expectations of "celebrity".
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The ONLY thing I expect from a 'guru' is that they understand the material and are articulate in their presentation of said material. Beyond that, I don't expect for them to be any good at all.

As for the answer to 'why?' It's simple. He wants to discredit boards like our own because we are a substitute for his material. We threaten his business and livelihood, therefore we are the 'enemy' and as such he will work to tear us down as much as possible.

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[quote1236352934=El Fenix]I've seen him out on several occasions while he lived here. I'd say hi, chat for a second and give him his space. I've heard guys who are more well known have had issues with guys knowing who they were making things hard for them. I tried to give him the respect I'd expect if i were in his shoes.[/quote1236352934]

I don't think I've ever seen a Community guy walk up to a more well known 'guru' and try to play cock block. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think that's the issue.
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If you read their blogs, him and a few others have gone on record about people recognizing them, and trying to piss in their wheaties.

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[quote1236367374=Bull Run]
[quote1236352934=El Fenix]I've seen him out on several occasions while he lived here. I'd say hi, chat for a second and give him his space. I've heard guys who are more well known have had issues with guys knowing who they were making things hard for them. I tried to give him the respect I'd expect if i were in his shoes.[/quote1236352934]

I don't think I've ever seen a Community guy walk up to a more well known 'guru' and try to play cock block. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think that's the issue.
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If you read their blogs, him and a few others have gone on record about people recognizing them, and trying to piss in their wheaties.
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Well, I'm not saying this doesn't happen, but I can think of a few rebuttals as to the validity of guys actively targeting them:

1) The guys that recognize them may be so fucking clueless that they inadvertently blew out the 'guru.' This happens all the time, especially when we have meet ups with a lot of noobs. If you're any good though, I think you can turn this into an advantage (I've pulled many times thanks to the incompetency of others and have been destroyed many times thanks to the incompetency of others...even from more experienced guys).

2) Attribution error. The 'guru' doesn't pull his target and someone else happens to be present that recognized them. So, instead of blaming the blow out on their inability, they blame it on the maliciousness by someone that recognizes them. Remember, most 'guru's have HUGE EGOS...if they can find a scapegoat, they will.

3) They were out Gamed. Again, goes back to the ego thing. Maybe the person that they recognized inadvertently, or purposefully, out Gamed the 'guru.' When you're in a group of any scale, this type of thing happens ALL THE TIME. So, the 'guru' will protect their reputation (because that's all they have) by saying they're targeted by other people.

In the end, I don't think these guys will ever post a blog that says something like:

I went out last night and a community guy that I don't know yet recognized me due to my awesomeness and fame totally out gamed me OR was so clueless that he blew me out and I didn't know how to deal with him OR I fucked up along the way, but used the guy as a convenient scapegoat so that I still have my dignity and reputation in tact.

Remember, these guys are SELLING themselves, as such it is in their best interest to LIE. Anyone in the business of self promotion has got to be taken with a grain of salt.