If you really want women, do this. It worked for me.

[Alphagame]

I was divorced 13 months ago. I immediately gave up fried foods and guys, I can't tell you how much of an immediate impact this had on my life. Hangovers aren't as bad. I get sweaty driving around in my convertible in the summer and my clothes don't smell. I'm telling you guys, the fried foods in the US diet are SEVERELY underrated.

You want to give yourself a leg up over the competition? Just ask yourself how many guys are actually watching what they eat? I'd guess way under 3% of the male population.

Ok, that's the first step. Next, get your ass into the gym. There's a certain psychology behind the gym. It takes a tremendous amount of will power to get into the gym and push yourself. And don't go in there and do a bunch of cardio bullshit. Hit the weights and hit them hard.

I had a realization about he gym last night and it is this: I started working out at 24 Hour 11 months ago. The faces I was seeing in there 11 months ago are all gone. I didn't recognize a single "regular" in the place last night. Few, and I mean VERY few people have the self determination to continue working out. I've noticed a few hook-ups in there too. Every time I see this, it's always the same pattern. The girl is cute and I notice her and get used to seeing a familiar face. Then, all of a sudden, I'll notice some dude's gamed her and they're working out together. Within a few weeks of noticing the PDA, they're gone every single time.

My theory is that the guys (and the girls) who are working out, they're doing it to attract a member of the opposite sex. Once they find that, they stop hitting the gym. So don't take on a serious/exclusive girlfriend or you WILL lose your drive to get into the gym.

Lastly, have your girlfriends take you shopping and select your clothes and also have them give you advice on how to style your hair. I mean, it's amazing. I go into the store to buy my own clothes and I come out looking like an old man. The girls select tight clothes for me. In the past, when I was married, I wouldn't even try on a t-shirt. I'd just grab one and see that it was XL or L and I'd buy it. Now, I bring the girls along and take the time to try the clothes on. She'll either say yea or nea or run back and get a size smaller or larger. It's amazing what a difference going from XL to L can make if you have a nice body. But the girls will tell you what to wear and they will have you looking 10X better than you could do yourself.

Combining all of these things, I've shaved 8 to 10 years off my real age. I'm 38 and people say I could pass for 28 to 32.

I've got a small amount of game, probably not the best, but certainly much improved over a year ago. I'm 38 and I'm getting more women than I've ever dreamed possible. Even in my 20's, I couldn't get women like this. Wouldn't you assume that a 20 something guy would be more attractive to a 25 year old woman than an old man like me? Game helps and you have to have some level of game or you can't even approach. But looks do matter and from what I've seen, they matter a lot more than the PUA industry wants to admit.

Anyway, that's my advice. Set yourself apart from the other 99% of the male population and put forth the effort to improve your looks. It's a lot of effort and it takes a LONG time to see the results. But it's worth it.

[isosceles cheese]

nice to see someone else who has better things to do with their time than sit around and drink budweiser. My buddy and I always place a $5 bet and pick which newb will last the longest. This year we decided to ad a twist starting last month where ironically enough, both newbs were still there. So now we're helping them train. My newb is going to get fucking jacked. He looked fucking terrified in that gym 2-months ago, like running away from people grabbing weights. I'm trying to teach this dude to own the weight, and internalize the desire to get crushed.

I'm about to cut out alcohol totally from my diet, so its back to club soda with a lime in the bars. hold me. Girlfriend/wife/or nothing, I won't quit lifting until I hit my goals, then those goals will change, again, and on and on.

Please stop saying "tight."

What are you talking about with the PDA? Like the guys move in on PDA, then get burned off?

What 24 do you lift at?

I'm considering gaming a chick at my gym. I'm thinking about the Cory Skyy shit; eye contact, hi this is my name, I have to workout so bye bye. I think gym game could work, but I have to give it some time.

[Lion]

I'm considering gaming a chick at my gym. I'm thinking about the Cory Skyy shit; eye contact, hi this is my name, I have to workout so bye bye. I think gym game could work, but I have to give it some time.

Who are you trying to game? I probably know her, or have at least seen her around.

[isosceles cheese]

I'm considering gaming a chick at my gym. I'm thinking about the Cory Skyy shit; eye contact, hi this is my name, I have to workout so bye bye. I think gym game could work, but I have to give it some time.

Who are you trying to game? I probably know her, or have at least seen her around.

super hot, thin brunette with medium length straight hair who looks just like a chick who works the door there. She always wears lime green shoes and black pants. She's exactly what I want a girl to look like.

I have back day today. I always feel fucking pumped on back day, but I need to hold off on this chick until I have a little more experience.

[Lion]

How do you think you get experience? By doing it. If you want to game her you need to do it the very next time you see her. If you keep waiting and approach after like a year she's not going to respond very well.

This is what I'd say to her, all with a smile:
"Hey, I've seen you around. You're in pretty good shape...almost as good a shape as me! I've got to run but I'd like to continue this conversation, do you have e-mail? Great, write down your phone number there too."
Simple, direct, effective.

I'm not sure who you're talking about, is she Mexican? Or super-tan..

[isosceles cheese]

How do you think you get experience? By doing it. If you want to game her you need to do it the very next time you see her. If you keep waiting and approach after like a year she's not going to respond very well.

This is what I'd say to her, all with a smile:
"Hey, I've seen you around. You're in pretty good shape...almost as good a shape as me! I've got to run but I'd like to continue this conversation, do you have e-mail? Great, write down your phone number there too."
Simple, direct, effective.

I'm not sure who you're talking about, is she Mexican? Or super-tan..

I'm pretty sure she's Caucasian and not very tanned.


I'd rather learn the ropes on shit I'm not interested in initially, so I can get what I really want when my skills are honed. Besides, I doubt the chick even realizes I exist considering I'm average to shitty in that gym.

[Lion]

You're skills won't be honed until you use it on girls you actually ARE interested in. Any afc can get a girl he ISN'T interested in. Sooner or later you have to stop making excuses and go after what you want. It's like when you try and get one of your buddies to go work out, and they're always like "Nah, not right now...I wanna wait for this and this and blah and blah, I don't have enough time right now, I want to watch some more TV".

[Kit]

You're skills won't be honed until you use it on girls you actually ARE interested in. Any afc can get a girl he ISN'T interested in. Sooner or later you have to stop making excuses and go after what you want. It's like when you try and get one of your buddies to go work out, and they're always like "Nah, not right now...I wanna wait for this and this and blah and blah, I don't have enough time right now, I want to watch some more TV".

Anthony Robbins asks, "When would now be a good time to do that?"

[Alphagame]

The window of opportunity to approach this chick is closing, you just haven't been hitting the gym long enough to realize it. Eventually, you'll just stop seeing her around. It happens to all of them.

Don't let the "I'll see her around in the future and if I screw up..." thought process be in your way. If she's already been in the gym for a few weeks, her motivation probably won't be lasting much longer and then she'll be gone.

That's the whole point of this thread: Few people have what it takes to actually eat right and exercise rigorously for the long haul. If you can find the motivation to do that, you will set yourself apart and the before too long the IOI's from women start pouring in like mad. It takes a long time to internalize the confidence level too. But once you get there, and if you develop your game by forcing yourself to make approaches like the one you fear, it's TOTALLY worth it.

[Smirks]

The original topic is one of the very few that I don't mind getting reposted over and over on this forum. It's surprisingly one of the things MOST over look when coming in the game...even though its like in the 1st few chapters of all of the super-popular books/methodologies.

Mystery Method
The Rules of the Game
The Game
etc. etc.

Hell, there are quite a few in this lair of ours that have obviously skipped over this, and are a bit too focused on material. I'm not saying I'm the poster boy for perfection, but since starting this I've calculated out a easy to do diet, easy to do work out plan, and have lost a considerable amount of weight in a short time.

This will probably be overlooked by those who I refer to, but there's always hope!