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Postby Guest » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:50 pm

so i number closed a girl last night and we texted for a little bit earlier. when i met her last night, she kinoed me by rubbing/massaging my back, etc. i kinoed her by holding her by the waist and rubbing her back (among other things), but i feel like i didnt kino enough to set a sexual frame. we flirted, but once again, i dont think i set a sexual frame. (for those who saw the interaction between her and i at sherlocks, do you think i set a sexual frame?)

let me know what you think of the texts below. from the texts, do you think im in the friend zone?

what can i say to prevent myself from being put in the friend zone? (i know to use seuxal innuendos, but not entirely sure how she would respond so i havent used any yet...)

i would like to escalate with this girl, but do not want to be stuck in the friend zone.

Prodigy[1:24p] how's the hangover treating ya, charlize theron? (thanks to Playercool for the text, i stole opening text from him! and i had said she looked like charlize theron)
HB7[1:25]: Ha! not bad actually! we went to ihop at beltline and midway...how r u? (we tried to bounce the two set to ihop)
HB7[1:26]: this is Prodigy, right :)
Prodigy[1:27]: haha yes! you shouldve gone to cafe brazil with us...! SOO mch better than ihop
HB7[1:28]: im sure! ihop is so gross, but i was starving and just like take me somewhere please!!! you r my favorite person i met last night :)
Prodigy[1:31]: yea, you were so fun, not to mention cute as a button :P
HB7[1:34]: ha. thanks! a lot of weirdos go to that bar apparently. i hadnt been there in a long time...u go there often?
Prodigy[1:37]: um, probably like once a month. i'm usually in uptown or blackfinn if im in addison
HB7[1:38]: yea...i dont want to go all the way down to uptown...so i need a good go to spot around here. i live at the shops at legacy and already spend way too much time at ra sushi! :)
Prodigy[1:42]: uptown is not that far from plano, like 20 mins? but i heard ra is pretty cool on sunday nights
HB7[1:45]: its pretty ghetto on sunday nights! this past sunday was like nothing but a billion black people. im by no means prejudice, but i usually pass on the ghetto! :) happy hour is amazing there. "you're my bitch!" (we keep on saying that to people last night)
Prodigy[1:51]: you know, i havent been to ra in forever. it sucks that its all ghetto now, i hate ghetto places...
HB7[1:58]: its only ghetto on sunday nights. every other day is still amazing i think...and the beer place next door is cool. what u up to this wknd?
Prodigy[2:04]: well, tonight i think im gonna be bar hopping in uptown. You?
HB7[2:44]: dinner with fam. well, keep in touch and maybe we could hang out again sometime. r u on facebook?

i havent texted her back yet, but will do so a little bit later in the day...
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Postby Guest » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:29 pm

Well since I wasn't there I will go with what I have.

First: A sexual frame does not has to be set with Kino, BL, Verbal, text, anything. A sexual frame can be IMPLIED. This may or may not be the case in your situation. I will say that I almost never used sexual innuendos unless I was already sleeping with the girl. Then I just did it for the fun of it.

Second: Why are you not ending the conversation in more of a "I like you" way. Why not number close with I am taking you out? Make a statement so she knows you are in to her. This does two things. First it flatters her. Second she doesn't have to guess about your intentions. She now knows that you are in to her. This makes things easier on her as well and she can act accordingly.

Third: From the text this girl is in to you. That is some damn good dialog and does not take place unless a girl is in to you to some level of degree.

Fourth: Friend Zone? Nope

Fifth: She is asking you for facebook ad. That was my classic use to remember what the girl looked like and to make us seem like we knew each other more than we really did. Makes that first meet up all that much easier. She is doing the work for you. Awesome.

And finally F: You will nail her!

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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:02 am

Yeah man, some of the kino I noticed was good.

From the text convo, it seems that it's going well (def. not in the friend zone).

My only real feedback is that I don't think you should have left the set.
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:28 am

PC is money on this one. She said she likes sushi, ask her when yall are gonna go eat some bait. bounce her from there to a drink spot. Freind zone? not from what Ive read...
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:36 am

I think you're good to go with this chicka.

As for constructive criticism, I do think that when you said Ra was good on Sundays, then she said it was ghetto, you should not have back peddled on your statement. Instead, I think you should have just said something like:

That's what makes it so fun!!! This way, you can go up there and look at the human carnage and appreciate what a great life you have and how successful you are...

OR

I'm a man of the people...you racist...oh yeah, and I like BIG BUTTS ;)

OR

You're ghetto ;)

Then, follow up with "You're my bitch!"

Other than that, you've got a solid lead there and good text volley.

It may seem silly, but I'm of the belief that, at least early on, you never, ever retract statements or qualify what you think or are doing. Set the frame early that you will have your opinions and beliefs, and they are right and virtous because they are yours and you will not recend or take back your beliefs if she doesn't agree. She may not like what you believe, but if you stand up for them in the beginning, she certainly will respect your belieifs AND you more.

Finally, when you're talking to a girl, just assume that you are not in the friends zone. That is how you don't get put in the friends zone, by acting like a sexual man from the beginning. Presume that you're in the 'fuck zone' and act as such (kino, sexual innuendos, etc.) and MAKE her make the next move, which will be pushing you into the friends zone OR in the fuck zone.
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:59 am

I was trying to think how I make sexual innuendos early on. I remembered some of the stuff I used to do. Damn it has been forever.

One thing that came to mind was what I call a Half Statement. This half statement would be used on a girl who I deem at least a 7.5 but usually higher. Now this girl thinks she is badass and probably hears it all the damn time. So with her I will make a half statement.

PC: You're Kinda Sexy.

Instead of telling her she is fucking sexy(which is probably my actual belief) I will just tell her she is sorta sexy. It is amazing how good this statement works. The girl appreciates the compliment and takes it as such. She now knows for damn sure you are in to her(not in a friends way in a fuck way). But in the back of her head she is wondering why you only think she is half sexy.

The way to pull this off is to text the girl this while you are in convo with her. I don't know why it works so well doing it via text. You guys are right there talking to each other but you are also having this other convo via text while you are chatting away face to face. I guess it comes down to she and you for that matter can be a little bit freer in what you say via text. Things can escalate via text.

This also brings me to another point which is necessary for this to work.

Number close early. I see so many guys run sets that last a very long time and then somewhere near the end or at the very end they are trying to figure out how to number close. Fuck that. Close somewhere early in the convo when the set is at a high. It is so much easier and takes the pressure off of you and her. Plus this is the only way you can have a fun convo with her via text while in set.

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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:53 pm

do you still have taht 10 hour text convo I sent you? If not, do you remember some of the texts that jumped down in her a bit? It seems to me that your convo, however quick it may have been, is a bit too shallow. Most girls prefer text over a phone call like 9:1...so that means you need to use it to your advantage. Emotional rollercoaster, delve deep asking personal shit, bring it up and make her laugh, tell her something serious, but then toss a cute spin on it at the end on why it makes you who you are today..etc. Gotta make sure it's about her just as much as it is about you, and that you lead the convo at least some. It seems she is the entire time, which isn't bad per say, but won't last.
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:27 pm

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do you still have taht 10 hour text convo I sent you? If not, do you remember some of the texts that jumped down in her a bit? It seems to me that your convo, however quick it may have been, is a bit too shallow. Most girls prefer text over a phone call like 9:1...so that means you need to use it to your advantage. Emotional rollercoaster, delve deep asking personal shit, bring it up and make her laugh, tell her something serious, but then toss a cute spin on it at the end on why it makes you who you are today..etc. Gotta make sure it's about her just as much as it is about you, and that you lead the convo at least some. It seems she is the entire time, which isn't bad per say, but won't last.
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actually, i still do have it!

[b]PlayerCool:[/b]
have you ever thought about teaching this stuff?

[b]Captain Caveman: [/b]
"lets get some bait," haha i like that. too bad i dont like sushi :(

[b]Bull Run:[/b]
as usual, good advice...

[b]lazarus:[/b]
i left the set to break state, make her miss my presence, then was planning to reopen and build comfort. but when i was standing across the bar and motioned her to come over, she shook her finger, so i wastn going to walk to her...maybe i should have...
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:49 pm

Not to hijack the thread, but I thought I would post an old text thread that I had with a chick that I would honestly rate as a solid 8. I think it will provide a lot of good insight into how to run text game in an efficient manner that keeps her interested, intrigues her, with subtle undertones of sexuality...or, in the case of the Bull, overtly sexual stuff said with the frame of being 'the funny guy that's just crazy like that.'

The morning after I met her, I started the volley:

Bull Run: U r funny, charming, and handsome...it was a pleasure meeting u! Bull Run (Line stolen from Lion)
HB Fake Tits: It was a pleasure to meet you as well! I had so much fun last night :)
Bull Run: Yep..u gonna b around tomorrow? We should do a sunday funday thang!!!!
HB Fake Tits: I will be around for sure. I love sunday funday!
Bull Run: K...I'm free at 2ish. Come down to my place, then we can walk to some bars and hang on the patio

Then, I immediately followed up with this text (sometimes I write 2, 3, or 4 responses and save them all before I send them, then I send them in the order I wrote them...I call it Tacking...get it? Text + Stacking? I'm so fucking clever. I'll have a great example of Tacking at the end of this post):

Bull Run (Tacking): We'll prolly make out too...
HB Fake Tits (Responding to my 'plan the day text'): Ok sounds fun! I'm having cake for my moms bday tomorrow night. So that's perfect!
HB Fake Tits (Responding to 'make out text'): Awesome :)

So, you can see right there that I opened the door to sexuality by talking about somethin that she and I have already done (we made out the night before).

Bull Run (planning logistics): What time do u need to b at ur moms?
HB Fake Tits: Actually I'm thinking of doing a breakfast thing so nevermind...
Bull Run: Bring ur suit, the heat may prompt us to jump in the pool (it was summer time, but there is still a very slight undertone of sexuality by referencing 'heat')
HB Fake Tits: Okie dokie!!!
Bull Run: Okie dokie? Really? Ur such a nerd...a cute nerd I might add ;) what's ur sign? I'm curious about who u really r :P (I've found that the ':P' emoticon is very suggestive in a sexual/playful nature)
HB Fake Tits: Omg that is so cheesy ha ha my bday is may 11 u figure it out ha
Bull Run: Using 'omg' is cheesy...oh shit!!!! U r totally a freak based on ur sign...please just don't get too rough with me ;) (So, here, you'll see that I busted on her with the 'omg' reference, the cut that small thread and reframed to refer to what a freak she is...if I had not put in the 'don't get too rough with me' bit, then it would have been very generaly. By telling her not to get rough with me, I turned it into something VERY sexual WITHOUT directly addressing it)
HB Fake Tits: Ur so funny...I don't all about that sweetheart
Bull Run: I'm ok with it...just saying ;)

The last response was a test response. She doesn't really have anywhere obvious to go with it, there is no question, there is no direction. What I has just done is make it 100% up to her to continue the thread. This will teach me a few things about her 1) how aggressive/assetive she it 2) how creative she is 3) and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, how INTERESTED SHE IS IN ME. If she's really interested, she'll fight to hold onto the thread as long as possible.

HB Fake Tits: Ha ha okie dokie! So what have u been doing all day?
Bull Run: Nerd...gym, tanning, grocery store, masterbating...u know the norm (This was a VERY important text because I gave myself a lot of value (i.e. gym and tanning), made myself into a normal, approachable person that you can relate to (gym, grocery store), AND got sexual in a funny way.

Now comes what I was building up to...the goal for me and the frame I like to set with women. The frame is simple: I LIKE SEX and I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU!!!!

HB Fake Tits: Your the most sexual person i have ever met ha ha
Bull Run: I prefer passionate, and yes I'm a lot of fun in the bedroom or kitchen or bathroom or living room or car or downstairs neighbor's patio at 3 in the morning...u know, whatev (I used passionate because its a more sensual word, and women respond better to sensual verbage than raw, animalistic verbage)
HB Fake Tits: OMG!
Bull Run: NERD!!!!!
HB Fake Tits: Takes one to know one baby!
Bull Run: I'm rubber and ur glue, whatever u say bounces off of me and sticks to you!!!!
HB Fake Tits: I love it!

The thread was cut there, so I decided to do a time bridge and pull in something from the previous night into our current conversation. Someone burned my arm with a cigarette.

Bull Run: I have a burn on my arm, will u kiss it better for me bebe? (Now, I'm appealling to her maternal side)
HB Fake Tits: Sure thing
Bull Run (going sexual again): I also have one in my crotchal region ;)

Then, I Tacked with this:

Bull Run: Think about that, I'm off to hand with the fam!!!!
HB Fake Tits: Ewww!
Bull Run: That makes me sad :( [This line is cash money to communicate disappointment]
HB Fake Tits: Im sorry im kidding bebe...Have fun with the family! Ill see ya tomorrow...Are you giving directions to your house (notice the use of 'bebe' from 'baby' I used 'bebe' earlier and now she has adopted my language, this is hugely important because now she wants to comply with my desires...get it?)
Bull Run: Yeah, south on 75, exit mockingbird, then...
HB Fake Tits: U can just give me ur address i have a GPS :)
Bull Run: GPS?!?!?! U r so high class, I bet u have cable too...xxxx Martel Avenue, call me when u hit mockingbird...btw, I was trying to b suspenseful, like a cliff hanager u know? U totaly ruined it, but I can forgive u if u r nice to me ;) have a good nite, I'll see u tom!!!!
HB Fake Tits: Xoxo!!!

Then, she texted me later that night:

HB Fake Tits: Sorry to bother you while with the family but I just watched Dazed and Confused and theres a guy in there that is just like you :)

I responded about 30 minutes before she was due at my place:

Bull Run: Which character? Let me guess, the funny, charming, hot guy...yeah, I ge that a lot ;) (again, playful, but I'm DHVing here in a way that is anything but try hard)
HB Fake Tits: How did u guess?
Bull Run: Call it a hunch...hey, when u hit greenville call me so I can talk u in
HB Fake Tits: Okie dokie...It might be a little past two. Brunch is taking a little longer, bloody marys ahhh lol and its pouring here (raining)
Bull Run (first of two Tacks): Ur going to keep me waiting? That makes me sad, but I'm sure u can find some way to cheer me up ;) (SEXUAL, need I say more?)
Bull Run (second of two Tacks): Take as much time as u need (It's OK to go from funny, to sexual, to asshole, to nice guy...keeps the ladies on their toes)
HB Fake Tits: Thanks bebe...Ill call u very soon!
Bull Run: I misses ur kisses :P (Innocent sexuality)
HB Fake Tits: Your so cute
Bull Run: U know it!!!
HB Fake Tits: Ha ha haha
HB Fake Tits: Im leaving now sorry my mama likes to talk
Bull Run: Looks like I'm going to have to spank u for making me wait ;)
HB Fake Tits: I've been a bad girl. XOXOXO

BAM!!! And, he hits another out of the park...keep in mind you have to mix all personality types into the texting. I went from funny guy, to nice guy, to pervert, to asshole, to big brother throughout the entire thread...sex with her was fun!!!

Great example of Tacking:

I wrote each message and saved them in my phone so that I could send each one to her within a matter of seconds in order of course, here's what I sent:

Aren't u just the most adorable thing when ur frustrated!!
Except for puppies...
And kittens...
Oh, and rabbits...
And the Ally McBeal dancing baby...still tho u r adorable

This has been Texting: Theory and Practice 101 brought to you by Bull Run...

See you in the scene.
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Postby Guest » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:53 pm

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do you still have taht 10 hour text convo I sent you? If not, do you remember some of the texts that jumped down in her a bit? It seems to me that your convo, however quick it may have been, is a bit too shallow. Most girls prefer text over a phone call like 9:1...so that means you need to use it to your advantage. Emotional rollercoaster, delve deep asking personal shit, bring it up and make her laugh, tell her something serious, but then toss a cute spin on it at the end on why it makes you who you are today..etc. Gotta make sure it's about her just as much as it is about you, and that you lead the convo at least some. It seems she is the entire time, which isn't bad per say, but won't last.
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actually, i still do have it!

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Email it back to me...I lost my copy
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