Yeah, yeah, you've heard all these shenanigans before, "girls see me as a friend" blah blah. But the thing is, I have been sexual before. One time I was at a club and within minutes of meeting this girl, I was making out with her up against a wall. I've never done that before or since. I don't know what came over me. I want to do it again. From what I read, it's not too difficult.
And another time, I took this girl to bed within a day of meeting her. I was saying things to her like, "If we were alone in this room, I would have you pinned up against this wall and fuck you." And she LIKED it! She refused to believe that I wasn't with tons of girls before her because I was "so sure of myself." I just let her think that.
But now, I don't know what's gotten into me. I've lost my mojo. Don't get me wrong, it's not like I was super sexual before and now I'm not at all. In fact, other than these two incidents, I can't remember where I escalated things that quickly.
The only problem is I don't know what I want. I know I don't want lines, because I never seem to deliver those properly. I want control. Yeah, that... I think.
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by Guest » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:46 am
Here's the deal.
Most girls want a guy who can take control(lead) and dominate. When I say most girls it has been my experience this is damn near 100%. It is crazy what you can get away with. Just like when you said you want to pin her against the wall and fuck her. She liked it. It is the same reason they say 20% of guys fuck 80% of girls. Because most guys don't act in this manner.
I know at times your mind tells you not to act this way. Not to say these things because you will get slapped and the girl will walk out on you. But reality is you are more likely to get your nut off then slapped by saying such things.
Girls for the most part want a guy who can step up, take charge, and dominate.
Lines are not necessary for any of this to take place. ACTION IS
Goodluck
Most girls want a guy who can take control(lead) and dominate. When I say most girls it has been my experience this is damn near 100%. It is crazy what you can get away with. Just like when you said you want to pin her against the wall and fuck her. She liked it. It is the same reason they say 20% of guys fuck 80% of girls. Because most guys don't act in this manner.
I know at times your mind tells you not to act this way. Not to say these things because you will get slapped and the girl will walk out on you. But reality is you are more likely to get your nut off then slapped by saying such things.
Girls for the most part want a guy who can step up, take charge, and dominate.
Lines are not necessary for any of this to take place. ACTION IS
Goodluck
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by Guest » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:08 am
[quote1239713729=playercool]
Girls for the most part want a guy who can step up, take charge, and dominate.
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I wish I had known how IMPORTANT this was while I was still married! I make sure to do this now with the girls I date and as a result am very successful because it builds attraction like crazy.
Girls for the most part want a guy who can step up, take charge, and dominate.
[/quote1239713729]
I wish I had known how IMPORTANT this was while I was still married! I make sure to do this now with the girls I date and as a result am very successful because it builds attraction like crazy.
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by Guest » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:41 pm
Here's my problem with the typical PUA answer. You could train a monkey to answer posts. You don't even have to read the question to get the proper cornfed PUA answer. Just answer everything with "be more confident." "be more assertive." "you were supplicating too much"
The problem I have with that is it implies an us vs them, defensive attitude toward women if it doesn't come from the right place. I agree we shouldn't teach guys to be passive, supplicating wussies. But what I think a lot of guys are missing in the equation here is that being assertive and not supplicating should come from self-respect rather than just thinking that's how you need to act. It's not because I won't put up with her shit, it's because I believe in my shit.
Do women like being slammed up in to a wall and fucked as opposed to made love to? Yes, most women would rather be fucked than made love to - it's more difficult to be kind in a self confident way.
What we forget is to tell anybody WHY they prefer to be fucked. Women respond to emotion, and anything involving the revelation of the human condition. She wants to learn about what makes you feel things. That makes you interesting, and if you're not confident enough to express yourself then many women will find you boring. But then, you'll run in to a few who just want you more, because they will want to figure you out. It all depends man.
I wouldn't suggest to anybody to go overboard with a woman they just met unless I knew that they had the inner game to pull it off, and by that I mean more than pure arrogance. Or they may end up being a huge creeper who tries to pull it off at the local Borders.
The problem I have with that is it implies an us vs them, defensive attitude toward women if it doesn't come from the right place. I agree we shouldn't teach guys to be passive, supplicating wussies. But what I think a lot of guys are missing in the equation here is that being assertive and not supplicating should come from self-respect rather than just thinking that's how you need to act. It's not because I won't put up with her shit, it's because I believe in my shit.
Do women like being slammed up in to a wall and fucked as opposed to made love to? Yes, most women would rather be fucked than made love to - it's more difficult to be kind in a self confident way.
What we forget is to tell anybody WHY they prefer to be fucked. Women respond to emotion, and anything involving the revelation of the human condition. She wants to learn about what makes you feel things. That makes you interesting, and if you're not confident enough to express yourself then many women will find you boring. But then, you'll run in to a few who just want you more, because they will want to figure you out. It all depends man.
I wouldn't suggest to anybody to go overboard with a woman they just met unless I knew that they had the inner game to pull it off, and by that I mean more than pure arrogance. Or they may end up being a huge creeper who tries to pull it off at the local Borders.
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by Guest » Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:41 pm
First, Id stay away from the 'dominate' mentality. Can pull it off if you understand it in an acceptable way, but lead to restraining order if not...
What is meant by lead is you need to be aware of what you want, and be able to paint the two of you a path to it. You want to kiss her...well you're going to need to open and continue conversation with that in mind. You're going to need to be in control of your reactions to not lose sight if she doesn't jump on the train right away. You need to direct the conversation...take her on the emotional rollercoaster. Make her laugh, have a quick 'deepish' convo, make her hesitate that if she doesn't keep you entertained, you're gone. You need to build a connection with something more than 'getting to know' each other in mind. Don't be afraid to touch. Touch her on the small of her back and direct her attention to something in the area that can spark convo (like a tiny dude and a really fat chick.) Lead her similarly to the bar for a drink. If you really want it, you'll find the right time to execute. Typing this from a phone...super hard...maybe ill write more later.
What is meant by lead is you need to be aware of what you want, and be able to paint the two of you a path to it. You want to kiss her...well you're going to need to open and continue conversation with that in mind. You're going to need to be in control of your reactions to not lose sight if she doesn't jump on the train right away. You need to direct the conversation...take her on the emotional rollercoaster. Make her laugh, have a quick 'deepish' convo, make her hesitate that if she doesn't keep you entertained, you're gone. You need to build a connection with something more than 'getting to know' each other in mind. Don't be afraid to touch. Touch her on the small of her back and direct her attention to something in the area that can spark convo (like a tiny dude and a really fat chick.) Lead her similarly to the bar for a drink. If you really want it, you'll find the right time to execute. Typing this from a phone...super hard...maybe ill write more later.
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by Guest » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:26 pm
I am going to elaborate a bit on what I wrote. I can see how what I said could come off the wrong way.
Everything I wrote is and should be taken as though you are 1 on 1 with the girl. This could mean a couple things. You are out on a date with her. She is over at your house. You have pulled her from the bar. None of what I wrote should really take place in a public setting. I am looking back on all my interactions with girls and I have almost Never escalated at anytime in the venue(I am referring to when I was actually successful and closed the deal-Fclose). Now yes I have had some make outs and small stuff but I cut it off quick. There is time for all that outside the venue.
Everything I wrote is more for when you are in private. Yes I am saying that again. In private.
Man I wish you could see this one Millionaire Matchmaker. It was an episode I saw last night with I think two Israel guys or something. One I would consider a guy who gets what he wants. The other guy was the super nice guy who probably gets cheated on. The first guy wanted a kiss and got one. The second guy didn't escalate at all. The first guy fucked the girl after a few dates. The second guy flew all the way across country just to take the girl on some dates. Probably still hasn't closed her.
Part of being sexual is Knowing when to be sexual. I don't know where your skill level currently resides. But part of learning game is also about learning how to interact. Knowing and reading Body Language. Picking up on her vibe. Knowing when the right time to escalate actually is. Knowing when the right time to pull away leaving her wanting more is. And so on and so forth.
When I talked about dominating here is what I meant. Girls want a guy who can lead the interaction. Now yes some girls want to be in control and that is fine. I love a girl who wants to get on top and take over. I am all for that. But most girls really want you to Lead. They want you to control where the interaction is going. It is your job to escalate. She will stop you if she doesn't like where it is going. Or if she thinks it is going to that place to fast. Here is where you stop. Or when you get good you will know to stop before this happens.
Anyways from here we get into sex ed and frankly I am no king of that realm.
In reference to what you wrote: I understand what you guys are saying, but I don't fully get it. You're saying "dominate", "lead", but how? How should I try to kiss her? At the end? I know, I'm a little nooby, but hey, I'm trying!
You dominate and lead by being the Man. She is a woman and wants you to be the man. So basically take your god given role and step up. Screw all the equal rights bullshit when it comes to this subject. Get back to your caveman roots and act like one. When I say dominate I typically mean that in a sexual sense. Basically throw the bitch around and show her who is boss. As far as leading that can mean pretty much everything. I like what Smirks wrote about leading. Girls love that shit. When the girl starts deciding every little thing you are her bitch. It needs to be no less than 50/50 and really skewed slightly in your favor. In the beginning you should almost always be leading.
How should you to kiss her? Well you can research kiss closes. I have seen a billion and one tactics. If you are new sure go ahead and use some of them. I did when I was a newbie. After you get past the stage of gimmicky kiss closes you will eventually just get the vibe. I won't elaborate on that much. Once you are in this for a while and do it a few times you will start to see clues. I promise it is very easy once you have been doing this a while. When you say at this end? I am guessing you mean at the end of a date. Nah it should be spontaneously at some other time during your time with her. It almost might not happen at all and even if it doesn't don't get discouraged. You did something wrong during your interaction with her. Big deal. I have had many 1st dates where I didn't kiss the girl and still nailed her down the road. It is rare since I try to Fclose on the first date but it has still happened on occasion. I did something wrong during the interaction. Hrmm let's see. I didn't lead that is for damn sure.
Everything I wrote is and should be taken as though you are 1 on 1 with the girl. This could mean a couple things. You are out on a date with her. She is over at your house. You have pulled her from the bar. None of what I wrote should really take place in a public setting. I am looking back on all my interactions with girls and I have almost Never escalated at anytime in the venue(I am referring to when I was actually successful and closed the deal-Fclose). Now yes I have had some make outs and small stuff but I cut it off quick. There is time for all that outside the venue.
Everything I wrote is more for when you are in private. Yes I am saying that again. In private.
Man I wish you could see this one Millionaire Matchmaker. It was an episode I saw last night with I think two Israel guys or something. One I would consider a guy who gets what he wants. The other guy was the super nice guy who probably gets cheated on. The first guy wanted a kiss and got one. The second guy didn't escalate at all. The first guy fucked the girl after a few dates. The second guy flew all the way across country just to take the girl on some dates. Probably still hasn't closed her.
Part of being sexual is Knowing when to be sexual. I don't know where your skill level currently resides. But part of learning game is also about learning how to interact. Knowing and reading Body Language. Picking up on her vibe. Knowing when the right time to escalate actually is. Knowing when the right time to pull away leaving her wanting more is. And so on and so forth.
When I talked about dominating here is what I meant. Girls want a guy who can lead the interaction. Now yes some girls want to be in control and that is fine. I love a girl who wants to get on top and take over. I am all for that. But most girls really want you to Lead. They want you to control where the interaction is going. It is your job to escalate. She will stop you if she doesn't like where it is going. Or if she thinks it is going to that place to fast. Here is where you stop. Or when you get good you will know to stop before this happens.
Anyways from here we get into sex ed and frankly I am no king of that realm.
In reference to what you wrote: I understand what you guys are saying, but I don't fully get it. You're saying "dominate", "lead", but how? How should I try to kiss her? At the end? I know, I'm a little nooby, but hey, I'm trying!
You dominate and lead by being the Man. She is a woman and wants you to be the man. So basically take your god given role and step up. Screw all the equal rights bullshit when it comes to this subject. Get back to your caveman roots and act like one. When I say dominate I typically mean that in a sexual sense. Basically throw the bitch around and show her who is boss. As far as leading that can mean pretty much everything. I like what Smirks wrote about leading. Girls love that shit. When the girl starts deciding every little thing you are her bitch. It needs to be no less than 50/50 and really skewed slightly in your favor. In the beginning you should almost always be leading.
How should you to kiss her? Well you can research kiss closes. I have seen a billion and one tactics. If you are new sure go ahead and use some of them. I did when I was a newbie. After you get past the stage of gimmicky kiss closes you will eventually just get the vibe. I won't elaborate on that much. Once you are in this for a while and do it a few times you will start to see clues. I promise it is very easy once you have been doing this a while. When you say at this end? I am guessing you mean at the end of a date. Nah it should be spontaneously at some other time during your time with her. It almost might not happen at all and even if it doesn't don't get discouraged. You did something wrong during your interaction with her. Big deal. I have had many 1st dates where I didn't kiss the girl and still nailed her down the road. It is rare since I try to Fclose on the first date but it has still happened on occasion. I did something wrong during the interaction. Hrmm let's see. I didn't lead that is for damn sure.
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by Guest » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:48 am
[quote1240896931=Smirks]
First, Id stay away from the 'dominate' mentality. Can pull it off if you understand it in an acceptable way, but lead to restraining order if not...
What is meant by lead is you need to be aware of what you want, and be able to paint the two of you a path to it. You want to kiss her...well you're going to need to open and continue conversation with that in mind. You're going to need to be in control of your reactions to not lose sight if she doesn't jump on the train right away. You need to direct the conversation...take her on the emotional rollercoaster. Make her laugh, have a quick 'deepish' convo, make her hesitate that if she doesn't keep you entertained, you're gone. You need to build a connection with something more than 'getting to know' each other in mind. Don't be afraid to touch. Touch her on the small of her back and direct her attention to something in the area that can spark convo (like a tiny dude and a really fat chick.) Lead her similarly to the bar for a drink. If you really want it, you'll find the right time to execute. Typing this from a phone...super hard...maybe ill write more later.
[/quote1240896931]
Exactly. I don't want no restraining order on my ass.
I think I'm pretty good at the conversation. In fact, I just got back from a late-night snack with a girl, where we talked about Aaron Carter and Jesse McCartney and all white boys under 12 looking alike, and also how materialistic society has become and the roots of it, all within about 2 minutes. I always jump topics in conversation, it's the only way I keep myself entertained. I actually wanted to kiss her at the end of this snack, but I was in her car and she was dropping me off. I just don't even know how to frame that kiss. Actually, her and I were hitting and pushing each other a lot, so there was already some physical contact for sure. I guess my main problem is how to even set up the kiss while you're on the date. I can touch and keep good conversation on the date, I just don't know how to set up the kiss. In fact, I think I might keep conversation too floaty and bubbly and innocent. I talk about nothing a lot.
As for the bars, I can't wait until I'm 21 so I can sarge with you guys. 1 1/2 more months baby come on. I know I have the potential to get super good at this. I see the light at the end of the tunnel baby.
[quote1240897273=playercool]
I am going to elaborate a bit on what I wrote. I can see how what I said could come off the wrong way.
Everything I wrote is and should be taken as though you are 1 on 1 with the girl. This could mean a couple things. You are out on a date with her. She is over at your house. You have pulled her from the bar. None of what I wrote should really take place in a public setting. I am looking back on all my interactions with girls and I have almost Never escalated at anytime in the venue(I am referring to when I was actually successful and closed the deal-Fclose). Now yes I have had some make outs and small stuff but I cut it off quick. There is time for all that outside the venue.
Everything I wrote is more for when you are in private. Yes I am saying that again. In private.
Man I wish you could see this one Millionaire Matchmaker. It was an episode I saw last night with I think two Israel guys or something. One I would consider a guy who gets what he wants. The other guy was the super nice guy who probably gets cheated on. The first guy wanted a kiss and got one. The second guy didn't escalate at all. The first guy fucked the girl after a few dates. The second guy flew all the way across country just to take the girl on some dates. Probably still hasn't closed her.
Part of being sexual is Knowing when to be sexual. I don't know where your skill level currently resides. But part of learning game is also about learning how to interact. Knowing and reading Body Language. Picking up on her vibe. Knowing when the right time to escalate actually is. Knowing when the right time to pull away leaving her wanting more is. And so on and so forth.
When I talked about dominating here is what I meant. Girls want a guy who can lead the interaction. Now yes some girls want to be in control and that is fine. I love a girl who wants to get on top and take over. I am all for that. But most girls really want you to Lead. They want you to control where the interaction is going. It is your job to escalate. She will stop you if she doesn't like where it is going. Or if she thinks it is going to that place to fast. Here is where you stop. Or when you get good you will know to stop before this happens.
Anyways from here we get into sex ed and frankly I am no king of that realm.
In reference to what you wrote: I understand what you guys are saying, but I don't fully get it. You're saying "dominate", "lead", but how? How should I try to kiss her? At the end? I know, I'm a little nooby, but hey, I'm trying!
You dominate and lead by being the Man. She is a woman and wants you to be the man. So basically take your god given role and step up. Screw all the equal rights bullshit when it comes to this subject. Get back to your caveman roots and act like one. When I say dominate I typically mean that in a sexual sense. Basically throw the bitch around and show her who is boss. As far as leading that can mean pretty much everything. I like what Smirks wrote about leading. Girls love that shit. When the girl starts deciding every little thing you are her bitch. It needs to be no less than 50/50 and really skewed slightly in your favor. In the beginning you should almost always be leading.
How should you to kiss her? Well you can research kiss closes. I have seen a billion and one tactics. If you are new sure go ahead and use some of them. I did when I was a newbie. After you get past the stage of gimmicky kiss closes you will eventually just get the vibe. I won't elaborate on that much. Once you are in this for a while and do it a few times you will start to see clues. I promise it is very easy once you have been doing this a while. When you say at this end? I am guessing you mean at the end of a date. Nah it should be spontaneously at some other time during your time with her. It almost might not happen at all and even if it doesn't don't get discouraged. You did something wrong during your interaction with her. Big deal. I have had many 1st dates where I didn't kiss the girl and still nailed her down the road. It is rare since I try to Fclose on the first date but it has still happened on occasion. I did something wrong during the interaction. Hrmm let's see. I didn't lead that is for damn sure.
[/quote1240897273]
Nice post. I honestly don't like tactics/lines and all that, but I guess they are necessary at the beginning...? I prefer just getting comfortable with my inner sexual self. I know I got some man in me, but I feel like he's just afraid to shine. As for the kiss during the date, you're just saying I should say "hey, come here" and grab her and pull her in randomly and kiss her? I know my friend says he makes out with girls when he takes them to the movies. I think that's pointless, but would you suggest that? I appreciate the advice.
First, Id stay away from the 'dominate' mentality. Can pull it off if you understand it in an acceptable way, but lead to restraining order if not...
What is meant by lead is you need to be aware of what you want, and be able to paint the two of you a path to it. You want to kiss her...well you're going to need to open and continue conversation with that in mind. You're going to need to be in control of your reactions to not lose sight if she doesn't jump on the train right away. You need to direct the conversation...take her on the emotional rollercoaster. Make her laugh, have a quick 'deepish' convo, make her hesitate that if she doesn't keep you entertained, you're gone. You need to build a connection with something more than 'getting to know' each other in mind. Don't be afraid to touch. Touch her on the small of her back and direct her attention to something in the area that can spark convo (like a tiny dude and a really fat chick.) Lead her similarly to the bar for a drink. If you really want it, you'll find the right time to execute. Typing this from a phone...super hard...maybe ill write more later.
[/quote1240896931]
Exactly. I don't want no restraining order on my ass.
I think I'm pretty good at the conversation. In fact, I just got back from a late-night snack with a girl, where we talked about Aaron Carter and Jesse McCartney and all white boys under 12 looking alike, and also how materialistic society has become and the roots of it, all within about 2 minutes. I always jump topics in conversation, it's the only way I keep myself entertained. I actually wanted to kiss her at the end of this snack, but I was in her car and she was dropping me off. I just don't even know how to frame that kiss. Actually, her and I were hitting and pushing each other a lot, so there was already some physical contact for sure. I guess my main problem is how to even set up the kiss while you're on the date. I can touch and keep good conversation on the date, I just don't know how to set up the kiss. In fact, I think I might keep conversation too floaty and bubbly and innocent. I talk about nothing a lot.
As for the bars, I can't wait until I'm 21 so I can sarge with you guys. 1 1/2 more months baby come on. I know I have the potential to get super good at this. I see the light at the end of the tunnel baby.
[quote1240897273=playercool]
I am going to elaborate a bit on what I wrote. I can see how what I said could come off the wrong way.
Everything I wrote is and should be taken as though you are 1 on 1 with the girl. This could mean a couple things. You are out on a date with her. She is over at your house. You have pulled her from the bar. None of what I wrote should really take place in a public setting. I am looking back on all my interactions with girls and I have almost Never escalated at anytime in the venue(I am referring to when I was actually successful and closed the deal-Fclose). Now yes I have had some make outs and small stuff but I cut it off quick. There is time for all that outside the venue.
Everything I wrote is more for when you are in private. Yes I am saying that again. In private.
Man I wish you could see this one Millionaire Matchmaker. It was an episode I saw last night with I think two Israel guys or something. One I would consider a guy who gets what he wants. The other guy was the super nice guy who probably gets cheated on. The first guy wanted a kiss and got one. The second guy didn't escalate at all. The first guy fucked the girl after a few dates. The second guy flew all the way across country just to take the girl on some dates. Probably still hasn't closed her.
Part of being sexual is Knowing when to be sexual. I don't know where your skill level currently resides. But part of learning game is also about learning how to interact. Knowing and reading Body Language. Picking up on her vibe. Knowing when the right time to escalate actually is. Knowing when the right time to pull away leaving her wanting more is. And so on and so forth.
When I talked about dominating here is what I meant. Girls want a guy who can lead the interaction. Now yes some girls want to be in control and that is fine. I love a girl who wants to get on top and take over. I am all for that. But most girls really want you to Lead. They want you to control where the interaction is going. It is your job to escalate. She will stop you if she doesn't like where it is going. Or if she thinks it is going to that place to fast. Here is where you stop. Or when you get good you will know to stop before this happens.
Anyways from here we get into sex ed and frankly I am no king of that realm.
In reference to what you wrote: I understand what you guys are saying, but I don't fully get it. You're saying "dominate", "lead", but how? How should I try to kiss her? At the end? I know, I'm a little nooby, but hey, I'm trying!
You dominate and lead by being the Man. She is a woman and wants you to be the man. So basically take your god given role and step up. Screw all the equal rights bullshit when it comes to this subject. Get back to your caveman roots and act like one. When I say dominate I typically mean that in a sexual sense. Basically throw the bitch around and show her who is boss. As far as leading that can mean pretty much everything. I like what Smirks wrote about leading. Girls love that shit. When the girl starts deciding every little thing you are her bitch. It needs to be no less than 50/50 and really skewed slightly in your favor. In the beginning you should almost always be leading.
How should you to kiss her? Well you can research kiss closes. I have seen a billion and one tactics. If you are new sure go ahead and use some of them. I did when I was a newbie. After you get past the stage of gimmicky kiss closes you will eventually just get the vibe. I won't elaborate on that much. Once you are in this for a while and do it a few times you will start to see clues. I promise it is very easy once you have been doing this a while. When you say at this end? I am guessing you mean at the end of a date. Nah it should be spontaneously at some other time during your time with her. It almost might not happen at all and even if it doesn't don't get discouraged. You did something wrong during your interaction with her. Big deal. I have had many 1st dates where I didn't kiss the girl and still nailed her down the road. It is rare since I try to Fclose on the first date but it has still happened on occasion. I did something wrong during the interaction. Hrmm let's see. I didn't lead that is for damn sure.
[/quote1240897273]
Nice post. I honestly don't like tactics/lines and all that, but I guess they are necessary at the beginning...? I prefer just getting comfortable with my inner sexual self. I know I got some man in me, but I feel like he's just afraid to shine. As for the kiss during the date, you're just saying I should say "hey, come here" and grab her and pull her in randomly and kiss her? I know my friend says he makes out with girls when he takes them to the movies. I think that's pointless, but would you suggest that? I appreciate the advice.
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