Does Direct work better for good looking guys?

[Guest]

I've read a few post where people seem to imply that being direct works well if you are good looking guy. Is that the general consensus?

Depending on my mood I consider my self to be avg or below avg in looks. Should someone like myself just forget about it?

[Guest]

It doesn't matter what you do as long as it works. If you are using Holden McGroin Direct Kino method and it works then use it. If you haven't tried Direct, try it. Test it with 20% of your openings over a month. In fact, If what you are doing now is not working for you then try this:

over a month do 20% direct, 20% indirect, 20% situational and with the other 40% don't try anything, just be social, aim to make new friends.

Do this over the month either doing 5 outings in the month and trying one style a night or do change ups each night you go out.

End of month evaluate and pick the most effective way and ditch the rest.

[Guest]

Rembrandt,
I really don't think so. I don't know how such a strange rumor got started. Think about it, you could say the same for indirect or SS.
You can do certain things to improve your looks but if a girl doesn't like you because of that, then it doesn't matter what comes out of your mouth.
I will say one thing for Direct, its not for the faint of heart, its not easy. If you are shy and timid, direct is not for you.

[Guest]

I am shy and timid

[Guest]

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Then the problem doesn't lie in how you approach but approaching itself. Instead of asking if direct works better or worse your question should be, "Why do I see my self as shy and timid, is it true, how can I fix that self limiting belief and what can I do about being shy and timid." Style of approach is something you can work out once you have the shy and timid part understood. If you don't approach, it doesn't matter what tactic you should use.

[Guest]

Direct takes confidence, skill, and passion.

Expect a lot of shit tests, and need for DHV (this is where looks comes in helpful). Women will talk to just about anyone, of course they will be forming their opinions and assumptions of you while you talk, but that’s to be expected.

The fact is, is that being attractive is a great benefit to a direct style of game, however, as with anything, a good looking person could be just that and nothing else, they still have to DHV as well.... Just not as much.

The problem lies in the fact that good looking guys typically have more confidence inherently due to their general success regard not having to attract the opposite sex as much with other things.

Women are just like men in the way that they too find members of the opposite sex attractive somewhat based on looks. To acknowledge anything less would be foolish. The same way a peacock has its tail for attracting the female is the same trait looks matter in humans.

To take a look into why looks matter would require us to dive deep down into social predominance and past social hierarchies that is a subconscious act of ourselves. This same question should be asked about yourself as well. Why are you attracted to beautiful women? Is it the hip to waist ratio? Or is it just the fact that she has a vagina?

Being attractive does help, however it isn’t the end all, be all key to going direct. There are other factors to take into consideration also. Is that good looking person confident, athletic, poised for success, ambitious, goal oriented, strong, charismatic, and socially astute? Or are they weak, timid, shy, socially inept, lost in their goals and lacking a way to move forward, are they not focused?

These traits are far more important in people than looks are, of course. However, looks, traditionally, signal that the person does have some form of success, and if they have success than surely they have goals, and if they’ve got goals and success, then surely they are focused on something, and they are strong enough to persevere through and accomplish what goals they make. Each trait builds on one another, however with looks, that trait is just a precursor to who that person is, and generally, it’s a pretty accurate one at that. However, people that weren’t blessed with the body of Brad Pitt in fight club, can still DHV by demonstrating these desirable traits. Traits that are separate from looks all together.

Time and time again looks get separated from the equation of attractiveness, partly because it is one of the only ones that are able to be separated without causing a chain reaction. Since all of the above mentioned traits builds on the other it’s hard to take one of those away without damaging the attractiveness of someone. And since good looking people have traditionally enjoyed success, they usually exhibit some if not all of these features inherently, where others have to work for them.

Based on this, I feel that having good looks is a great advantage to someone who goes direct. But again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Who knows, you could have just met a girl with ugly duckling syndrome, or a country girl who is down to earth that just moved to the city, but how will you know that until you go find out?

I think you should just forget about it. What does it help to keep bringing it up?

[Guest]

The thing about looks is, they are totally correctable. Cock size...we're born with it, we can't change it. But looks, man you can do a LOT to change the way you look. Diet and the gym and nice clothes do a LOT to change the way you look. Also, a cool haircut kept fresh every other week helps a lot too. Same with a sun tan. Laser teeth whitening. All kinds of shit you can do.

Body language also gets confused with looks by women too. I mean, the hot guy standing in the corner being shy with both hands in jeans pockets...he's not gonna get any attention...but if the same guy corrects his body language, that makes a ton of difference in the eyes of a woman in terms of whether she things he's hot.

[Guest]

Damn Fin that was the best post ever by you.

Here is how I will sum up direct.

There are so many different levels of women. Hrmm you know the who HB system. The problem is I might think a girl is a 7 and you think she is a 5 or a 9. If you are following me we both don't find the same girls attractive or one of us thinks she is way better looking than the other. Now the exact same thing holds true for them.

But to take it to another level picture this. You and Brad Pitt hanging out. Clearly he is a good looking guy and you are probably no where near as good looking as him. You both see a girl walk by. You go damn that girl was hot. You think she is a HB9. Pitt turns to you and calls you crazy. He thought that girl was a HB6.

So based on that you might be able to go direct. Not with the hottest girls in the joint but maybe with what you consider a HB7.

While I think all of PUA is still a numbers game going direct really makes it a numbers game. Just go hit on every girl you see with direct game and I guarantee you will land a few numbers. It can and does work. The better looking you are the more success you will have.

[Guest]

I forgot to add that I feel the most important part about going direct is confidence.

[Guest]

I have always contended that looks do matter. They aren't the ONLY thing that matters just like looks aren't the only thing that matters to us with respect to the women we pick.

I do agree that you can do a lot to improve your looks: dress, haircuts, clear skin, body language, straight/clean teeth, working out and dieting, etc.

Is it possible to be less attractive and to pick-up a more attractive woman? Absolutely, but the cards are stacked against you slightly. It will require more time and tighter game to pull her, but it can be done. It's not completely out of the question.

I'm an average looking guy, but I'm fucking awesome. That's how I think, that's what I believe. Still though, despite all of the value that I know I have a hold of (i.e. attractive personality traits and lifestyle) I'm still aware that I'm not going to be physically attractive to every women upon the approach. Sometimes I'm going to need a little time to really build attraction, I've learned to work around it because I know that I can close if given the time (or if I can create the platform from which to communicate my value).

Being attractive just gives you more room for error. Attractive guys can get away with stumbling or being sloppy in their game. A less attractive guy has to have it very, very tight. He has to execute and he can't screw up too much.

Looks aren't required, it's just an asset. Just like being witty or funny or creative or successful or intelligent are assets. All of the above matters, the only difference is that looks are the easiest thing to see. It's right in front of you. Right in your face.

The old adage "don't judge a book by it's cover" exists for a reason. Because people do! We are visual creatures and we judge others based on what we can see. To say that looks aren't important is simply ridiculous and those that believe that are living in a fantasy world. There have been so many freaking studies that show that looks DO matter and DO have an impact on what other people think of you.