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Last Wed I was hanging out with some friends at a local bar. It was one of the girls' birthday and we were hanging with one of the bartenders. He comes back over with a girl who's a regular. We bounce to another bar and I tell her we're going there, and tell her to come along. She does. At the second bar, she and I sit and talk the whole ime. I almost forgot there were other people there. We got along great and hd a lot to drink. Oh,and she complained about her boyfriend quite a bit. At the end, we ended up in the parking lot kissing. She complained that she doesn't cheat on her boyfriend. I said, "nobody's asking you to cheat." "kissing's cheating." However, I did get her phone number. We texted once or twice and talked for a min. the other day

So, now to today. I texted her asking if she was gonna hang with me on Tuesday night. She works, and I said I'm off Wed. Here is her reply...
"Me too, look i had fun hanging out but i have a boyfriend, if we can only be friends i am cool hanging out but fiends is all. I may have said some things about my boyfriend the other night, though they were true he deserves to be treated rght an with respect."

my reply: "Understood and i respect that in you. I do have to warn u that while i can just be friends, i will probably still have to flirt with u. ;) and if u decide to change your status, well, that might be cool too :)"

replied a couple of times back and forth basically a "lol" from her, a "what else would you expect fom me? at least I'm honest. that's better than some :)" that was the end of it, so we'll see where it goes.

Ok, so now to you guys...advice to make this happen and get her to dump her boyfriend. Obviously she's not super happy about him. And I don't want to be in "friends zone" AT ALL. Also, is there anything I could have done differently/better?

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First of all... it sounds like she had a weak moment. She obviously found you attractive and acted as such. That being said, there are many factors at play...she could have been in a fight with her boyfriend, she might have been hormonal, she may have been drunk, etc. If you were in this guy's shoes, would you want some guy stealing you away from you? No, trust me, it is painful.

Here is how I suggest you play this out. Look long. Keep texting and staying in contact with her. If her and her boyfriend kiss and make up, "use" her to meet her girlfriends. If they break up, trust me, you will be the first person she reaches out to because there is no way she has forgotten your encounter.

Fundamentally, only date single girls and if you are interested, stay in touch with "committed" girls until they are no longer committed. It will keep your soul clean. Trust me from someone who has learned the hard way....

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If you want to bang this chic, don't let her know what your intentions are. Women rarely do and you shouldn't either. Be a little more covert about it and you'll see greater success.

"Understood and i respect that in you. I do have to warn u that while i can just be friends, i will probably still have to flirt with u. ;) and if u decide to change your status, well, that might be cool too "<------- This whole bit is a little "needy" and it conveys to her what you are after. Keep those hookers guessing. They like drama.

By hinting to her that you want to be her boyfriend you are already giving half the farm away! When you give a girl what it is she is after, they quit working for you.

Create more attraction so that way it gets harder to "respect" her boyfriend. You keep increasing that attraction factor and the next time she gets mad at her boyfriend she'll be over at your place. And when she does, take full advantage of her emotions being whacked out and plow her sexy ass like UncleHOwie would.

If that girl really respects her boyfriend, she'd tell him of her bad behavior! Yeah I doubt that will happen.

I have to agree with Twitchy, but a part of me thinks they are all whores so its all fair game! lol In the end were all casualties of war. Might as well get some battle scars.

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I'm with Twitchy on this one. Stay in the picture, but don't try to steal her from her boyfriend. The night you guys made out was just her getting caught up in the moment. This is what women do. They get emotional, then they do things that they end up regretting. It seems to me that she was a little drunk, a little pissed off at her boyfriend, and in the presence of a man that knows what he's doing (if you know what I mean). Add all of that up and you have the make out session.

I've never liked the idea of guys running boyfriend destroyers and what not. Not because you're stealing anything necessarily, I agree with UncleHOwie that all is fair in love and war. Instead, I think it shows a fundamental lack of respect. Not for the other guy, but for you. Guys that steal other guys' girlfriends just don't respect themselves enough to walk away and try to find a girl that is not taken. I think it's a sign of a deep character flaw.

Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with using her as a pivot or hanging out with her as just a friend. But, keep it there. Do you really want to be with a woman that is so easily manipulated that a virtual stranger can change her mind about the man she's with? If you can do it to her I assure you that there are any number of men that can do the same. The difference is that they'll be stealing her from you...that's not a fun position to put yourself in.

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The opposite of the good advice you recieved above is go out again as "friends", then add alcohol and see what happens.