Dallas Lair, Be AGRESSIVE!! (FR inside too)

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Hhaha I don't think anyone here needs proof of your success.

The only thing keeping you from seeing way more success than this is yourself and your limiting beliefs. I hope this success you are now seeing is opening your eyes to what is actually possible in this game.

I will say that your current new aggressive state is still passive. It is shocking just what you can get away with. Over time you will start to open up and realize what I am talking about. I was floored at some of the shit I started getting away with with these little hookers.


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just curious, how aggressive are you in field? care to share some examples?

im still trying to get comfortable with being aggressive without beeing TOO forward...i want to see what i can get away with (of course i understand its different for each girl and i would have to calibrate)

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In my experience, slappin ass is the perfect level of aggressiveness that I've found has been the most successful for me to spike BT just the right amount in the field. It shows confidence, a little brazenness, willingness to take a risk and cross that line, and just plants a seed about who/what i'm about.. It's NEVER backfired for me, and it's has been my main go to weapon in my arsenal for years.

I like it cause i don't have to vocalize anything, it lets them read into it.

For a little extra bonus, take their arms and pin them to the wall above their head as you do it.

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Guys also I think we are overlooking another aspect of being aggressive. If you are aggressive and show girls you are comfortable with your sexuality then girls are more likely to tell you exact what is on their mind and what they want to do to you as well :)

This last Friday night I had a girl touching herself in my passenger seat telling me what she wanted to do as we were driving back to her place. I guarantee if I hadn't asserted an aggressive non-judgmental frame then that would not have happened.

One of my favorite aggressive moves is if you are on the dance floor with a girl and you two decide to walk off or she wants to go find her friends or whatever. If she is holding your hand leading you off the dancefloor take a few steps then just stop and as your hands get tight and she turns around, pull her in and go for whatever close you want. The strong move will almost assure success :)

Pushing up against a wall is always good too

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Talking about setting the Non-Judgmental frame, I have been experimenting with setting this frame, and looking for ideas on how to do it, other then the obvious way of overtly referring to it.

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speaking on the non judgemental frame thing. 2 weeks ago me and another bartender i work with had one of our servers over to my parents house where we drank all night and cooked up some hotdogs. well i went for the non judgemental, sexually free frame of mind. As the other bartender talked to her about past sexual experiences i played it cool and heated up the hot tub, once it got to the right temp i told her swimsuits weren't allowed and dropped my pants right in front of her. we all ended up in the hot tub naked but with her hanging on me and making out with me the whole time.

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speaking on the non judgemental frame thing. 2 weeks ago me and another bartender i work with had one of our servers over to my parents house where we drank all night and cooked up some hotdogs. well i went for the non judgemental, sexually free frame of mind. As the other bartender talked to her about past sexual experiences i played it cool and heated up the hot tub, once it got to the right temp i told her swimsuits weren't allowed and dropped my pants right in front of her. we all ended up in the hot tub naked but with her hanging on me and making out with me the whole time.
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..so let me get this straight, you were in a hot tub with another naked dude?...

it mustve been akward for the other bartender just watching you make out with this chick..

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yes i was, if it was awkward for him that sucks. It was a chick neither of us really gave a shit about and we were actually going for the eiffel tower lol. I won't lie i am very open sexually. I played high school sports, every man has one why be ashamed of yours in front of another man?

being aggressive and having a non judgemental frame of mind are very powerful tools we can use. In my experience building my confidence inside my own head is the key to unlocking these powers. When I feel mentally weak or run down its like superman holding a piece of kryptonite, no power. But when I have spent the day working out, pushing myself mentally and conquering other fears and obstacles I find myself pushing the limits with girls as well.

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Nice work Prodigy. I gotta say that is a huge obstacle for me. I have this insane insecurity of coming off as "creepy". I realize that it's just one girl's perception of me and I have to not be affected by it to prevent it from happening, but I don't know, my "reality" isn't strong enough, I guess.

But don't you think the fact that you're good-looking helps you too? I wouldn't say I'm ugly, but yo, you're cut like scissors. I just think a more aggresive approach would work much better for a good-looking, built guy, rather than an average-looking guy. Right? I'm not making any excuses though. I'm going to the gym regularly and all that.

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Nice work Prodigy. I gotta say that is a huge obstacle for me. I have this insane insecurity of coming off as "creepy". I realize that it's just one girl's perception of me and I have to not be affected by it to prevent it from happening, but I don't know, my "reality" isn't strong enough, I guess.

But don't you think the fact that you're good-looking helps you too? I wouldn't say I'm ugly, but yo, you're cut like scissors. I just think a more aggresive approach would work much better for a good-looking, built guy, rather than an average-looking guy. Right? I'm not making any excuses though. I'm going to the gym regularly and all that.
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ahaha, thanks for the compliment brownie! but i will tell you that having a nice body helps, but is not the end all, be all. there are plenty of guys on this forum (and as a part of the community) that arent nearly as fit as i am, yet pull WAY more ass / # closes than i do; its all about your game. but their is no doubt being fit helps...

for the longest time (and still do now) i have this "nice-guy" syndrome. ask around the forums and they will tell you. one of the negative things about being such a nice guy was that i was never really aggressive because i respected her boundaries; i didnt want to push for sex if she said no. now i know that she wants to FUCK just as much as i do and her saying no is just a way to test my confidence so to speak...if she truly does not want to have sex, you'll know. otherwise, you just havent spiked her BT (get her aroused) enough yet...

i too have the same problem you do..i am afraid of coming off as 'creepy' by being too touchy feely, but what i've noticed is that if shes attracted then you wont come off as creep / needy. so if you feel that she is attracted then you can push your comfort zone, kino escalate and shed be none the wiser...

one thing i do with girls is after some basic kino, is when they talk, id put my hand on their lower back and pull them in to hear what they say, or to actually say something (this works well in a loud enviorment, eg: club) this is a great way to get her to be comfortable with your touch in errongenous zones and especially her "safe" zone (neck, face, ear) that women are usually protective of. i understand taht this can be a negative sign becuase it is severe pecking, but i feel this is money if she is already attracted and that you have conveyed high value....

but before you can go out and be aggressive, you have to internalize it. beomce comfortable with being aggressive which requires lots of confidence without the fear of rejection...its not simple, i am still trying to become even more aggressive....

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Terms like 'aggressive' in this sense need not be taken heavily. Think more along the lines of assertive perhaps. Your goal shouldn't be to go out and be the biggest dickhead...at least mine isn't. I find that the girls that respond to that typically have emotional baggage/damage that I can definitely do without. Know what you want and don't be afraid to move toward achieving it. Don't get yourself slapped with a restraining order! Be smooth, progress in a natural flow, and escalate.

Prodigy is correct with the physical fitness coment. I lost quite a bit of weight and my game took off. Im no where near Prod's bod...but Im in shape. Don't focus so much on the physical...remember MEN are visual creatures, not women.

I've seen big changes is two people recently...one got more assertive, the other turned down his asshole-ish-ness. Both are more comfortable in set (it seems to me at least.) Ill be honest. I roll my eyes and distance myself from the forced 'alpha' dickheads when we go out. Not because Im gonna be out alpha'd...because my mouth will ruin your game...but because it's fucking annoying. Plain and simple. That might be a bit off topic, but what Im saying is fit the situation you're in. Not full conformity, but within reason!

Gotta get back to the jury duty thing...kill me...please.

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Yeah, this is a good thread, but Smirks brings up a good point.

Being aggressive doesn't mean being an asshole. There is a HUGE difference. I fell in the asshole trap for a period of time and my Game sucked...big time! It was only after I started incorporating some, admittedly, AFC-esque things back into my Game did I turn things around. (Keep in mind that sometimes, being an AFC is actually the right move given the situation).

Anyway, I know Prodigy isn't referring to being an asshole. He's referring to being a little more proactive. I sort of think of it as being a pussy entrepreneur. You take the initiative, you take more risks, you probably fail more, but you also succeed more as well.

Stay away from the assholish, misogynistic tendencies. If you let that shit seep in you're going to find yourself surrounded by very low quality women that have poor self-esteem (most women have low self-esteem, I'm referring more to the self-destructive personalities). The only people that want to be around an asshole are those that believe that they should be treated like shit.

Good thread Prodigy.