The guys in her social circle

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I'm not out here to constantly fuck...I'm here to make friends first and foremost.
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Thats my motive too

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UL,

Several renownd PUAs I have met were shorter guys. Additionally the best I ever sarged with .. mentor like ability .. same deal.

I may not be ideally qualified to answer from personal experience however I believe all the same rules and tactics apply, regardless of height. The biggest difference is that you can not bring as much purely "visual value" to the table. Most of the roid monkey types obviously do bring the visuals and not much else. Make no mistake this fact is well understood by women. Ironically the one plus point, and lack of any other development, ends up stunting them as they are also lazy. These are the guys trying to "get lucky" up in the club. Not the modus operatum you want to shoot for..

Watch what attractive women do. They may have more of the "eye candy" kind of guys around them in the club however if you pay close attention you will see that THEY (the women) are the ones in control of the frames at all times. Unless the dude is her boyfriend you will clearly see the big oafs kowtow to the girls. Even the BF does it most of the time as well. It is EXPECTED of them to behave and as reward they are permitted to be around and "accessorize" the women.

So my answer here for you should come as no news. YOU need to be controlling the frames. The girl(s) must kowtow to you. At that point you have the meatheads in your back pocket as well. They can't go against the power of social protocol. When you perfect the technique the smarter louts see it and try to align with you. Celebs and powerful people play this out for all to see (often short or whatever else).

How you ask? Well .. thats a lot to explain in one thread. The best can create the "illusion" socially in a very short space of time. Always remember what matters is people's perception of a social situation, not the actual facts.

I'd advise you to start hanging out with girls because you don't seem to understand how they operate. Soon enough you will be laughing with them about joe 6 pack Dallas tool and his incredibe shrinking IQ. This will be a very powerful signal to other women that you are different.

GL

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So it's not always going to be the case of "the more attractive the girl, the shallower she is going to be"?
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Absolutely false. It can stand as a good tactic to assume so however, which will of course wind her up. Women are vast.

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Good thread here.

+++Probably need to start working out.++++

Yes, DEFINITELY need to start working out. Skinny = chick repellent

I've been hitting the gym for 2 years now, and I have to say, it's worth the investment. I totally recommend it, but there are guys with a lot shittier bodies than me pulling better wool. So it's not everything.

That said, I've played the 1 to 10 game with enough girls, I've finally got it ingrained in my mind...95% of all men on this planet are NOT sexually attractive to women based on looks.

Basically, the 1 to 10 game goes like this: I pick out a guy, at random, and the girl I'm talking to has to rate this guy on a scale of 1 to 10. 95% of all men fail to rate above a 6. There aren't many 7's or 8's, but the few 9's and 10's ALL have one thing in common...I can tell they're gym rats.

So, going back to the real issue...most of the 9's and 10's, the women, that is, are usually with men of average looks. There just aren't enough of "hot" men on this planet to go around.

Having said all that, I'm told I'm hot all the time. I'm a gym rat, a diet freak, I tan. It helps, but I guess I'm still struggling with some internal issues that are proving to be quite the bitch to overcome. I'm 39, make shit tons of money, drive a cool car, but I've never had sex with a 9 or a 10 in my life. I've improved my "game" a lot, but still not where I want it. I will get there, eventually. I'm a slow learner.

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[quote1239115458=Alphagame]Basically, the 1 to 10 game goes like this: I pick out a guy, at random, and the girl I'm talking to has to rate this guy on a scale of 1 to 10. 95% of all men fail to rate above a 6. There aren't many 7's or 8's, but the few 9's and 10's ALL have one thing in common...I can tell they're gym rats.

So, going back to the real issue...most of the 9's and 10's, the women, that is, are usually with men of average looks. There just aren't enough of "hot" men on this planet to go around.[/quote1239115458]


But, there is a difference between men and women. While most men only need a woman to be a 9 or 10 for him to have sex with her, a woman requires more. All to often, women acknowledge that a man is a 9 or 10 but need more for her to have sex with him. Part of it is that she needs a more emotionally based connection, but part of it is that she's intimidated by his looks. In our society, women are told they have to be beautiful, as such they strive to be the beautiful one in the relationship. I've read studies that show that women prefer their men to be a little overweight or have a little 'belly' (I've seen numbers as high as 70%).

Further, the pressure of being beautiful for a woman and her inability to live up to that goal means that she becomes a little more forgiving with a man's appearance. She won't judge us the same way we'll judge her.

[quote1239115458=Alphagame]Having said all that, I'm told I'm hot all the time. I'm a gym rat, a diet freak, I tan. It helps, but I guess I'm still struggling with some internal issues that are proving to be quite the bitch to overcome. I'm 39, make shit tons of money, drive a cool car, but I've never had sex with a 9 or a 10 in my life. I've improved my "game" a lot, but still not where I want it. I will get there, eventually. I'm a slow learner.[/quote1239115458]

Working out is important in your development of becoming a man, not necessarily in your development of your game. Sure, it's easier when you have a rocking body. You'll get more opportunities, you'll get more auditions. But, you won't necessarily get the part if you can't back up that built physique with a 'built' personality that will sweep her up and carry her to a new world of excitement and intrigue.

Long and short though, work out it's a good thing all around. Just don't think that it'll be some sort of answer to your shortcomings in game.

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+++Probably need to start working out.++++

Yes, DEFINITELY need to start working out. Skinny = chick repellent
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Pure opinion here. I am in no way a buff individual. I'd consider myself to be a skinny/fit guy. I went from wearing a 34 waist to a 31. I get laid. So what exactly about my physique is chick repellent?

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[quote1239116044=Alphagame]
+++Probably need to start working out.++++

Yes, DEFINITELY need to start working out. Skinny = chick repellent
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Pure opinion here. I am in no way a buff individual. I'd consider myself to be a skinny/fit guy. I went from wearing a 34 waist to a 31. I get laid. So what exactly about my physique is chick repellent?

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You are skinny like I am skinny. We are not anorexic skinny.

I can pretty much guarantee though we would get laid a little more if we put on 20 lbs of muscle. I don't have any basis for this opinion as my skinniness hasn't seemed to limit my ability to get laid. I just feel that with a little more meat on the bones that is toned properly we would get more auditions as BR so eloquently put it.

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I can't add much constructive discussion to this thread, but over the last few months women have given me a lot of shit about "meathead" or "jock" appearance. Its made me somewhat insecure about it too, lol.

If you're getting to a D2, then she's over the physical shit. Besides, why chase something that wants a different body type from the start? That's a recipe for disaster.

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shit, wrong thread.