Hell yes! Closed this hot girl the other day.. been waiting for the time to reinitiate =)
OH WHOOPS she initiates me. How sweet. *cough* boner *cough*
Movie Buddy (MB): Heyyy
Skepsis: Hey i just got done with dinner what are you up to?
MB: Ooh fun fun i am...thinking about goin out and doin somethin
Skepsis: Cool whats open? its thanksgiving eve
MB: Hahaha I dont think that qualifies as a holiday for places to close...but i could be wrong haha i was just thinkin about goin to studio movie grill, nothin exciting
Skepsis: Oh i love that place! I already ate tho. What movie are you seeing?
MB: Idk yet...four christmases sounds pretty good...
Skepsis: That vince vaughn flick?
MB: yes sir
Skepsis: Oh i wanna see twilight. My parents saw it last night and they said it was bitchin actual quote too...
MB: Hahaha wow you know thats based on a girl book right?
Skepsis: Lies
MB: Um no hahaha ive read the book
Skepsis: Oh really?! Well.. I dont believe u
MB: okayyyy
Skepsis: I want you to be my movie watching buddy because the one ihave now alwayz awkwardly laughs all the time...you might qualify. Do you awkwardly laugh at the nonfunny parts??
MB: Haha well thats no fun...someone who awkwardly laughs at stupid parts?! those people get on my nerves haha i do not believe that i do that...i havent had any complaints about my laugh timing before so i guess im good on that part hahaha
Skepsis: Happy turkey day! :) ive been waiting for this day all year! The feast is upon us!!
MB: Hahaha someones excited... haha
MB: I am having three thanksgivings todayyyy hahaha and how many are you having?!
Skepsis: What?? Howww
MB: I knowwww
Skepsis: Whyyy?
MB: Because i went to my moms house then i went to my dads brothers house and now im on my way to my dads gfs parents house hahaha
Skepsis: Wow thats three meals. Do you have school tomorrow?
MB: Nope i go back monday what about you?
Skepsis: Yea same hey its good friday so im going to northpark right after lunch at about two. Come meet me! You can try out to be my movie watching buddy :)
MB: Aw haha i already have planes for tomorrow! im seeing a movie at northpark though so maybe ill see you there
Skepsis: What? Thats not gunna fly. Im not going to maybe see you...i wanna see you :) how can you say no to this face... (if you could see me im giving you the patented cant-say-no-to-this-face face)
MB: Hahahaha okayyyy the best i can do is to say that i will defintely find you once im there but im not blowing off my other plans. got it? :)
Skepsis: When are you gunna be there?
MB: Ummmm im not 100 percent sure yet...probably sometime around 4
Skepsis: Just call me when u r there. I gotta go tho its dessert! Pie :)
MB: Haha yum have funnn
Skepsis: U too!
MB: Oh i shall
MB: Yessss im finally home! haha im beat i feel like just goin to bed now haha you home yet?
Skepsis: Oh noo its you! Now i wont be able to sleep for a while ;)
MB: Hahaha so my plan is working? :)
So I really like what you guys did with Just/Us's post. I'd like some feedback too =)
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by Guest » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:58 pm
honestly man, I think it's pretty good.
In your case you need to continue back and forth banter because shes still not quite there yet.
I'm also going to give away one of my biggest tricks. It's called submissive vs. authoritative framing, and you already have the workings for it to be in place,
Basically you tried to set something up, she shot you down. She had plans, it happens. You were specific though which is good. She didn't completely blow you out which is great. Should show you where you stand a little with this one.
On to the framing part, my theory is that a person does not control frames via being the leader, authoritative and demanding. (although it is possible on weak willed individuals) but she doesn't seem to be that way. A frame can be more easily controlled by a weaker frame.
Example: You have a boss, Your boss is a tool because he is .... the boss, and can be. He steals your ideas, passes them on as his, he makes unattainable requests, and never gives you any credit. So what are you to do? frame it. In framing you can play off of predictions of what you think might happen in any given situation. For instance, If you speak up and your boss (who's already stolen several ideas from you in the past) decides to listen to you again on this next advice. He should then, keeping with tradition, pass it as his own. So whats stopping you from giving up a really bad idea? He's going to pass it off as his own probably anyway, Not saying you should but it's an option. At first he won't question it. He'll judge the answer you've given as those in the past, and take you at your word. Until he starts realizing you are giving shitty solutions. He'll then drop you like a bad habit and you'll no longer be his golden child. Chances are you'll lose perks that he's been giving you as well. After all, that IS what a manager is supposed to do. But notice how much control the subordinate has over the boss.
You have started this by saying, I want to see you. She has plans, otherwise she would have probably agreed.
Think. She now knows, that you like her. Therefore, you can no longer do anything from the game that is designed to "keep her guessing". Take aways, dis qualifiers. Nothing. Thus it creates incongruence, and dwindles the attraction. Makes her question you.
You are in a submissive frame right now, whether you know it or not. She has the power, and now is the time to get virtually anything you can out of her before moving on. Get things out of her that you can use at a latter point in the seduction. Get some investment out of her. The reason you are in a submissive frame is she now knows you like her. As long as she stays attracted to you, you're golden. when she loses that attraction you become a friend. In regards to her comfort frame, she is in control of it and it should be that way. As a man you are supposed to control the seduction(at times) and attraction frames, and she is supposed to control the comfort frame. You use your attraction frame to control her comfort frame. Since she feels like she is in control of that, she won't have any objection to things like hoops (small and medium, the big ones youll have to test for) and Compliance test (unless their sexual in nature).
This was all just a little bit of bad timing on your part, Ask again and see what happens. But otherwise you're fine, I just wanted to post some shit that will probably fuck your thinking up. lol
In your case you need to continue back and forth banter because shes still not quite there yet.
I'm also going to give away one of my biggest tricks. It's called submissive vs. authoritative framing, and you already have the workings for it to be in place,
Basically you tried to set something up, she shot you down. She had plans, it happens. You were specific though which is good. She didn't completely blow you out which is great. Should show you where you stand a little with this one.
On to the framing part, my theory is that a person does not control frames via being the leader, authoritative and demanding. (although it is possible on weak willed individuals) but she doesn't seem to be that way. A frame can be more easily controlled by a weaker frame.
Example: You have a boss, Your boss is a tool because he is .... the boss, and can be. He steals your ideas, passes them on as his, he makes unattainable requests, and never gives you any credit. So what are you to do? frame it. In framing you can play off of predictions of what you think might happen in any given situation. For instance, If you speak up and your boss (who's already stolen several ideas from you in the past) decides to listen to you again on this next advice. He should then, keeping with tradition, pass it as his own. So whats stopping you from giving up a really bad idea? He's going to pass it off as his own probably anyway, Not saying you should but it's an option. At first he won't question it. He'll judge the answer you've given as those in the past, and take you at your word. Until he starts realizing you are giving shitty solutions. He'll then drop you like a bad habit and you'll no longer be his golden child. Chances are you'll lose perks that he's been giving you as well. After all, that IS what a manager is supposed to do. But notice how much control the subordinate has over the boss.
You have started this by saying, I want to see you. She has plans, otherwise she would have probably agreed.
Think. She now knows, that you like her. Therefore, you can no longer do anything from the game that is designed to "keep her guessing". Take aways, dis qualifiers. Nothing. Thus it creates incongruence, and dwindles the attraction. Makes her question you.
You are in a submissive frame right now, whether you know it or not. She has the power, and now is the time to get virtually anything you can out of her before moving on. Get things out of her that you can use at a latter point in the seduction. Get some investment out of her. The reason you are in a submissive frame is she now knows you like her. As long as she stays attracted to you, you're golden. when she loses that attraction you become a friend. In regards to her comfort frame, she is in control of it and it should be that way. As a man you are supposed to control the seduction(at times) and attraction frames, and she is supposed to control the comfort frame. You use your attraction frame to control her comfort frame. Since she feels like she is in control of that, she won't have any objection to things like hoops (small and medium, the big ones youll have to test for) and Compliance test (unless their sexual in nature).
This was all just a little bit of bad timing on your part, Ask again and see what happens. But otherwise you're fine, I just wanted to post some shit that will probably fuck your thinking up. lol
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by Guest » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:10 pm
Oh I forgot, Drop the movie buddy thing before you turn into "friend" not "fuck buddy".
Thats a frame you are placing on yourself. Instead make sexual comments.
"When we go to this movie, you have to promise to keep your hands off at least until the end of the show."
"I'm like an asteroid, I'm special and should be cherished."
"You shouldn't have worn that shirt" She: "why?" You: "Wow. I can almost see boobs." (awesome if it's a shirt that completely covers everything up.) this is a tease. after you say it, immediately look away from her.
look around nervously and say "I'm um so um wired right now, my adrenaline uhh is pumping," Her: Why?" You: "I've umm never um done anything like uh this before, I'm a uh um a virgin." then immediately walk normal and smile.
Make you're own up. use these.
Thats a frame you are placing on yourself. Instead make sexual comments.
"When we go to this movie, you have to promise to keep your hands off at least until the end of the show."
"I'm like an asteroid, I'm special and should be cherished."
"You shouldn't have worn that shirt" She: "why?" You: "Wow. I can almost see boobs." (awesome if it's a shirt that completely covers everything up.) this is a tease. after you say it, immediately look away from her.
look around nervously and say "I'm um so um wired right now, my adrenaline uhh is pumping," Her: Why?" You: "I've umm never um done anything like uh this before, I'm a uh um a virgin." then immediately walk normal and smile.
Make you're own up. use these.
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by Guest » Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:20 pm
I understand what you are saying finesse. I figured me showing a little interest by saying "I want to see you" was just like "I want to find out who you are and if you are cool by qualifying to be my movie buddy or whatever then you can be considered worthy of my presence." She reinitiated the texting thing 3 times. I thought that was a huge IOI, so I thought I would reciprocate a little because she probably has other options, and I want her to know that I kinda like her as I see her now, but IDK how she might actually be. Does that make sense? Is this even a true concept or am i just spouting AFC dumbass rhetoric?
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by Guest » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:24 pm
It is an IOI. You are right. You should have reciprocated. I am just saying that I would have gone another route if I was indeed trying to get into her pants. You were framing yourself as a friend instead of a potential mate.
I like the fact that you showed interest in her. I think thats what you should have done. The only thing I saw that was really wrong, (if you were in fact trying to sleep with her) is that you said "movie buddy". Everything else I said was just advice as to how to handle the upcoming.
Words via text are not like words via conversation. Words via text carry 60% of the weight of the conversation. 35% for context and punctuation the other 5%.
Basically, you were placing yourself in the non threatening category when you should have been placing yourself in the "I am the type of guy that could make you see god if I fuck you" category.
This is where women are needing men to take control of the seduction phase. Women have the need to feel desired. but not too desired. Sexy but not too sexy. That you're just barely attainable, not so completely out of their league or way beneath it. It's a balance.
She's a women, women have options thrown at them every day. The fact that you indicated interest to her does nothing but show her that at one point you do find her attractive. Depending on how you view this will determine the type of game you play from now on. Some people may say "Oh no, now she won't be attracted to him!", Some would say something completely different.
Even now, in your reply you aren't seeing yourself as someone with value.
[b]Is this even a true concept or am i just spouting AFC dumbass rhetoric? [/b]
That statement you said right there is riddled with self deprecating thought. A better way to put it would be, "Am I trying to hold on to my AFC ways?"
I know this is a forum where you are free to post without critique and to be ridiculed, but when you communicate through text you need to be very aware of the words you use.
For instance what would happen if you said this instead of what you said originally.
Original: "Oh i love that place! I already ate tho. What movie are you seeing?"
Possible: "Oh i love that place! I already ate tho. What movie are WE seeing?
The comment she said before (Ooh fun fun i am...thinking about goin out and doin somethin) was an invitation for you to invite yourself along. It's girl code. Just don't jump on it too fast least you'll appear desperate. When she messages you something, and divulges information compare it to an answer you would get from a girl thats not attracted to you and a girl thats just a friend,, ask yourself "Why could she possibly be telling me any of this?"
I like the fact that you showed interest in her. I think thats what you should have done. The only thing I saw that was really wrong, (if you were in fact trying to sleep with her) is that you said "movie buddy". Everything else I said was just advice as to how to handle the upcoming.
Words via text are not like words via conversation. Words via text carry 60% of the weight of the conversation. 35% for context and punctuation the other 5%.
Basically, you were placing yourself in the non threatening category when you should have been placing yourself in the "I am the type of guy that could make you see god if I fuck you" category.
This is where women are needing men to take control of the seduction phase. Women have the need to feel desired. but not too desired. Sexy but not too sexy. That you're just barely attainable, not so completely out of their league or way beneath it. It's a balance.
She's a women, women have options thrown at them every day. The fact that you indicated interest to her does nothing but show her that at one point you do find her attractive. Depending on how you view this will determine the type of game you play from now on. Some people may say "Oh no, now she won't be attracted to him!", Some would say something completely different.
Even now, in your reply you aren't seeing yourself as someone with value.
[b]Is this even a true concept or am i just spouting AFC dumbass rhetoric? [/b]
That statement you said right there is riddled with self deprecating thought. A better way to put it would be, "Am I trying to hold on to my AFC ways?"
I know this is a forum where you are free to post without critique and to be ridiculed, but when you communicate through text you need to be very aware of the words you use.
For instance what would happen if you said this instead of what you said originally.
Original: "Oh i love that place! I already ate tho. What movie are you seeing?"
Possible: "Oh i love that place! I already ate tho. What movie are WE seeing?
The comment she said before (Ooh fun fun i am...thinking about goin out and doin somethin) was an invitation for you to invite yourself along. It's girl code. Just don't jump on it too fast least you'll appear desperate. When she messages you something, and divulges information compare it to an answer you would get from a girl thats not attracted to you and a girl thats just a friend,, ask yourself "Why could she possibly be telling me any of this?"
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