How Not to do kino escalation

[Guest]

The problem with kino escalation is not what you do, but how you do it. You can get away with anything if its part of your context and you do a takeaway at the end. For example, most guys will just go up to girls and start groping them but the problem is that they don't stop. I can get away with hair pulling with in the first three minutes from opening the set, because I frame it as part of conversation.

the tactic I use to get away with escalation is to either pump their buying temperatue before, or neg them and they will feel to be validated again by your touch. example

PUA: omg your like the lil bratty sister i never had i love you.
HB: (laughs)
PUA: to bad we will never get along, you couldn't handle me.
HB: (laughs and feels devalidated)
now i just go to hug her, pick her up, and spin her around and she will comply. Then at then end do a takeaway
PUA: alright now get off me ( go to next routine

[Guest]

I will start watching for that. Actually you made me think of this more, so I will write down some of my thoughts.

Here's the nuts and bolts of it, from how I see things.

First of all, it goes without saying that you can't just walk up to every woman and let your inner caveman just take over, else we'd all be wlaking around the club with our dicks out. Obviously there's SOME regulating mechanism that separates the socially calibrated guy from the friend zone weakling, from the creepy weirdo.

Considering when I've had success, I'd break it down as such: kino should be used as a REWARD for her good behavior, which is basically
a reward for her compliance.

So in that way you are 75% correct. If she touches you first, A.) it means she is interested, and B.) it means you need to reciprocate.

I kind of look at kino as being very closely linked to compliance.

Here's where the other 25% comes in. If you bark an order at her and she complies ("here, set my drink down") then you should kino. Even if she has not touched you yet.

Any submissive/compliant behavior is equal to her kinoing you, its just a different language. You should kino on that.

To PC's point, there was a phase i went thru when i barely kino-ed at all, I only went for solid # closes, and then go for the heavy shit on day 2. That worked out pretty well bc one of the main objections a girl has to SNL's and such is what her friends will think. Lately, I've been experimenting with pushing the bar kino. It's worked, I have it down pretty good. If it weren't for social pressure and their frineds I could have fucked those two girls in public at republic and greenville. but it does tend to increase flakes.

i agree that kiss closing at the venue is proably not the best thing in the world to do actually. i'd say in a bout a week or so i will probably start calibrating back a little bit

[Guest]

I like to do just enough, which is very little, to get them warmed up to my touch, so its not earth shattering when I grab her ass and pull her into me. Myare:
my hands on the shoulders and point her the direction we need to go (you can tell the bitch what to do)
grab them by the upper arm, just above the elbow to her through the crowd (you're alpha / cavamaning)
when they hand you something, tough their hand when you take it, then neg them for it (duh)